That's not the Detroit model. The Detroit model is drafting good players late. They haven't had a top 10 pick in a LONG time.
- KesselRules

That is not their model. It is to build from the Minors. A strong farm supports the parent club. Continually build up the farm system.

Sure, blame it on JJ..

When he is not here to defend himself..
- bixll

well i didnt say anything about the chains.. and he's the only other one who knew LOL

Now we are thinking on the same lines. I'm all for following the Detroit model.

One cool thing I saw was with this "Insider trading" bullpoop about that Soshnikov kid, is that the Leafs have started to scout Russians a bit more heavily (See the Valiev pick from last year too). Hiring other teams coaching staff to scout guys lol. I hope they continue to be just ruthless with how they go about scouting and finding talent
- TheThrill

I'm not sure how drafting/signing 3 Russian players in a decade means they are scouting them more heavily.

The Leafs need a real center. No more top 5 picks on a dman....so far they are 50/50.
Good for the center.
- Fakepartofme

Okay so Strome or Marner.

hell, if they get some mid round picks, they can grab Barzal and Zacha too.

May as well scoop em all up

Obviously, history suggests this franchise will find another way to (frank) things up. But! But! But!

There are some positive signs. I am very impressed with the moves Shannahan has made in bringing in good people into key management positions. I can't really fault any of the moves they have made in the last little while and remain hopeful.
- Canada Cup

good moves so far

i question the ability to stay on this track

I'm not sure how drafting/signing 3 Russian players in a decade means they are scouting them more heavily.
- AdamFrench

I'm talking the last year... and you (frank)ing know it.

I said as much.

Don't get lippy, French

That is not their model. It is to build from the Minors. A strong farm supports the parent club. Continually build up the farm system.
- bixll

thank you

these kids are molded into good players.. they dont just start that way

well i didnt say anything about the chains.. and he's the only other one who knew LOL


- Dozzer

I was talking to him last night, he is planning a renovation. Offered him a weekend of free labour this summer.

Turning out quality players with late round picks?
You need quality talented scouts for that.
- Fakepartofme

no.. you need a talented coaching staff in your development system

out of the hundreds if not thousands of kids available.. you dont think the top 30 all have great talent?

its a matter of harnessing it

I'm talking the last year... and you (frank)ing know it.

I said as much.

Don't get lippy, French
- TheThrill

It's all I know

That is not their model. It is to build from the Minors. A strong farm supports the parent club. Continually build up the farm system.
- bixll

yeah. seems like they have had that model in place for a long time whereas most teams are turning over their management and coaching staffs every few years an starting over. to build a healthy organization (not just a healthy team for 1-2 years) it takes a ton of patience.

no.. you need a talented coaching staff in your development system

out of the hundreds if not thousands of kids available.. you dont think the top 30 all have great talent?

its a matter of harnessing it
- Dozzer

they should never have promoted Spott so early. I thought he was perfect for that job

Obviously, history suggests this franchise will find another way to (frank) things up. But! But! But!

There are some positive signs. I am very impressed with the moves Shannahan has made in bringing in good people into key management positions. I can't really fault any of the moves they have made in the last little while and remain hopeful.
- Canada Cup

Still have many more major moves to make, fire Nonis, find a good used car salesman to unload Lupul, Kessel, Bozak, Phaneuf, Reimer,Bernier ... Hire Dale Hunter to coach. Find a true No. 1 goalie, draft a center... the list goes on my faithful brethrens...

good moves so far

i question the ability to stay on this track
- Dozzer

No matter what, over the next few years they are likely to acquire s lot of good young players through drafts and whatever they get from moving more guys out. It really just be a question of making sound picks and giving them time and room to develop. Both Shannahan and Hunter come from orgs that operate this way. The danger time will be in three/four years when things start to turn around and there is a temptation to start trading kids

why dont you read the rest of my post before trashing it?
- Dozzer

No where did you say that the Leafs should be drafting good late round players. You said any player can make it if developed properly, which just isn't true.

That is not their model. It is to build from the Minors. A strong farm supports the parent club. Continually build up the farm system.
- bixll

Where do those players in the minors come from? You have to find good players first. Which the Leafs don't!

good moves so far

i question the ability to stay on this track
- Dozzer

oops

good players.. but kadri -esque

will take development time

or.. we might land another winner like schenn lol
- Dozzer

Kadri in his draft year had 78 points in 56 games (1.39)
Marner is 2.00 and Strome 1.9

I think you are underestimating the strength of this draft

Still have many more major moves to make, fire Nonis, find a good used car salesman to unload Lupul, Kessel, Bozak, Phaneuf, Reimer,Bernier ... Hire Dale Hunter to coach. Find a true No. 1 goalie, draft a center... the list goes on my faithful brethrens...
- nyrsucks

I see no need for them to fire Nonis. He's just a puppet anyway. May as well keep him around, let him take all the initial backlash from every decision, and then, just before everything starts coming around and working out, Shanny can fire his ass and take all the credit.

For coach, I'd take Babcock, Bylsma, or Hunter if he would take it (don't think he will)

If the scenario was TOR at 3 and EDM at 4, how bad do you think EDM would want Hanifin? Would they trade #4 and #22 (from Pitts trade) for the #3 and say Kadri?

If the scenario was TOR at 3 and EDM at 4, how bad do you think EDM would want Hanifin? Would they trade #4 and #22 (from Pitts trade) for the #3 and say Kadri?
- iTOLDu

I doubt it.

MacT has to know that the Leafs are taking a C. If Hanifin is left, then they can just sit tight and get him anyway

No matter what, over the next few years they are likely to acquire s lot of good young players through drafts and whatever they get from moving more guys out. It really just be a question of making sound picks and giving them time and room to develop. Both Shannahan and Hunter come from orgs that operate this way. The danger time will be in three/four years when things start to turn around and there is a temptation to start trading kids
- Canada Cup

Trading kids in 3/4 years could help the team too. Provided they keep the right ones..

I think the hard part, with such an injection of youth expected to come in, is determining who will be a part of the core group and who is not..

If the scenario was TOR at 3 and EDM at 4, how bad do you think EDM would want Hanifin? Would they trade #4 and #22 (from Pitts trade) for the #3 and say Kadri?
- iTOLDu

I doubt it.

MacT has to know that the Leafs are taking a C. If Hanifin is left, then they can just sit tight and get him anyway

I doubt it.

MacT has to know that the Leafs are taking a C. If Hanifin is left, then they can just sit tight and get him anyway
- TheThrill

If Leafs are at 3, IMO I think they take Hanifin.

I see no need for them to fire Nonis. He's just a puppet anyway. May as well keep him around, let him take all the initial backlash from every decision, and then, just before everything starts coming around and working out, Shanny can fire his ass and take all the credit.

For coach, I'd take Babcock, Bylsma, or Hunter if he would take it (don't think he will)
- TheThrill

Babcock just using Leafs as a bargaining chip. He would never go to a rebuild at this stage of his career. Byslma blows.... You could have had a german shepherd coaching that team and still win... Im tired of retreads.....

well if they finish 4th and someone jumps them from the lottery..might not be strome
- senstroll

And Strome could go before Hanifin.