It's really, really dangerous to make sweeping assumptions of a player's NHL-readiness from one game.
- BreakoutHockey

Agreed.

Just kidding, bowman sacked up, i have no issues with him. Just get Paliotta signed now
- FourFeathers773

My threat must have gotten through to Stan

>Powers at ESPN tweeting that Paliotta also reporting directly to the Hawks
- SnapitUpstairs

From Chicago Media Dept.

The Chicago Blackhawks announced today that they have agreed to terms with defenseman Michael Paliotta (pahl-ee-AW-tuh) on a two-year contract.

The Blackhawks’ third-round selection (70th overall) in the 2011 National Hockey League Draft, Paliotta finished the 2014-15 season with a team-high 36 points (9G, 27A) in 41 games with Hockey East’s University of Vermont. The 21-year-old paced the club with 151 shots on goal and a +15 plus/minus rating during his senior campaign. He was named a 2015 Second-Team All-Hockey East selection and received the Old Time Hockey Best Defensive Defenseman award. Paliotta’s 36 points ranked sixth in the NCAA in defensive scoring.

So now that the Hawks have signed Paliotta and Braun and they are both coming right to the NHL club, what is the over under on how long after they play in an NHL game until the narrative on this board from some people changes to "My God, these kids are not ready for an NHL game, how stupid can Q and Bowman be?"

Maybe im remembering incorrectly.....but didnt like the line of Sharp-Richards-Versteeg absolutely tear it up for a couple games right before Sharp got hurt(believe it was the game @MON)....why not try that one more time?

Bickell - Toews - Hossa
Sharp - Richards - Versteeg
Saad - Vermette - Teravainen
Desjardins - Kruger - Shaw

Maybe after his recent benching and getting another chance with Toews and Hossa, Bickell might just come out flying....worth giving it a shot for at least 1 game if u ask me. I still liked a lot of what i saw from 20-80-86 before Q broke them up a few games ago, thought they created a lot of nice looks when together but just couldn't quite finish any chances. I really like that as a 3rd line, wouldn't mind seeing it again. Not sure if i liked Saad and TT with Toews.
- SimpleJack

Sharp-Richards-Versteeg didn't really "tear it up", but I don't think they were together than many games tbh. In particular, Sharp got most of his points on the powerplay in the early parts of the season. He had 8 points 13 games to start but only 3 were at even strength - goals while playing with Toews-Hossa (DAL), assist with Richards-Versteeg (STL), and then an assist with Richards-Saad. Kane, Toews, and Hossa are the most common guys he connects with for point before his injury. That being said, your suggested 2nd line makes sense if only because having Sharp in his normal position is more ideal ideal. Sharp definitely looked good with Richards before.

I don't understand why anyone thinks this will be the benching that suddenly gets Bickell going because it's never worked in the past but I guess we all have to have hope. I would never have Bickell on the top line until playoff started, but I did like the Saad-Vermette-TT line despite it not producing. They at least kept the other team from getting much sustained possession, usually.

>Powers at ESPN tweeting that Paliotta also reporting directly to the Hawks
- SnapitUpstairs

Before Baun and Paliotta signed the roster was already at 23, how do they fit in the 2 newbies?

It's really, really dangerous to make sweeping assumptions of a player's NHL-readiness from one game.
- BreakoutHockey

Maybe - but you can tell from the play and in which zone they are trusted to play in who looks NHL ready and more specifically which prospects look to be Q ready.

And in my opinion from that game and a couple others I have been to that Danault and Hartman look to be three zone players - both defensively responsible, both able to carry the puck through the neutral areas, and both made things happen with the puck in the offensive zone.

I saw glimpses of it from Pokka - but he does not look ready yet.

And believe it when I say it - McNeil is Bickell 2.0. If the Hawks bring him up - this site will have him pegged as everything wrong with the Hawks within 10 games. Another big player that doesn't hit and doesn't go to the front of the net.

The ‘Hawks are facing a summer of upheaval which could be why Baun and Paliotta — who, like Hayes, could’ve gone unrestricted this summer — decided to come on board...

Chicago might now be seen as an organization filled with opportunity, rather than roadblocks.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...un-chicago-inks-paliotta/

Before Baun and Paliotta signed the roster was already at 23, how do they fit in the 2 newbies?
- DarthKane

>Pretty sure the 23 limit only goes until trade deadline
>But, I do not know what the "upper limit" is after the deadline

>Pretty sure the 23 limit only goes until trade deadline
>But, I do not know what the "upper limit" is after the deadline
- SnapitUpstairs

From the NHL Hockey Operations Website:

23-man Roster
There may be a maximum of 23 players on each Club's playing roster at any one time from the commencement of the NHL regular season through the trade deadline.

From the NHL Hockey Operations Website:

23-man Roster
There may be a maximum of 23 players on each Club's playing roster at any one time from the commencement of the NHL regular season through the trade deadline.
- TheTrob

Thank you.

From the NHL Hockey Operations Website:

23-man Roster
There may be a maximum of 23 players on each Club's playing roster at any one time from the commencement of the NHL regular season through the trade deadline.
- TheTrob

>But after deadline, no info on upper limit

Nice...just heard Paliotta signed.

More yoot in da syst'm is a good ting.

So now that the Hawks have signed Paliotta and Braun and they are both coming right to the NHL club, what is the over under on how long after they play in an NHL game until the narrative on this board from some people changes to "My God, these kids are not ready for an NHL game, how stupid can Q and Bowman be?"


- TheTrob

LOL...

I'll go with 7 days.

From the NHL Hockey Operations Website:

23-man Roster
There may be a maximum of 23 players on each Club's playing roster at any one time from the commencement of the NHL regular season through the trade deadline.
- TheTrob

After Deadline only cap hit is involved

>But after deadline, no info on upper limit
- SnapitUpstairs

Upper limit is your 50 man roster.

A few other notes:

The 23-man roster limit is lifted on the day of the trade deadline.

The salary cap continues to apply until the final day of the regular season, but is lifted during the playoffs.

Unrestricted free agents signed after the trade deadline, including those from the NCAA ranks, are not eligible to play in the NHL playoffs because they were not on the team€™s 90-man reserve list on the day of the trade deadline. Example: Braun

Draft choices signed after the trade deadline are eligible to play in the playoffs because, by CBA definition, they were on the team’s 90-man reserve list on the day of the trade deadline. Reports that such players must sign before the end of the regular season are incorrect. Example: Paliotta

http://capgeek.org/nhl-sa...after-the-trade-deadline/

Before Baun and Paliotta signed the roster was already at 23, how do they fit in the 2 newbies?
- DarthKane

Isnt it like a black ace thing? The roster is open as long as cap rules are adhered to?

Sharp-Richards-Versteeg didn't really "tear it up", but I don't think they were together than many games tbh. In particular, Sharp got most of his points on the powerplay in the early parts of the season. He had 8 points 13 games to start but only 3 were at even strength - goals while playing with Toews-Hossa (DAL), assist with Richards-Versteeg (STL), and then an assist with Richards-Saad. Kane, Toews, and Hossa are the most common guys he connects with for point before his injury. That being said, your suggested 2nd line makes sense if only because having Sharp in his normal position is more ideal ideal. Sharp definitely looked good with Richards before.

I don't understand why anyone thinks this will be the benching that suddenly gets Bickell going because it's never worked in the past but I guess we all have to have hope. I would never have Bickell on the top line until playoff started, but I did like the Saad-Vermette-TT line despite it not producing. They at least kept the other team from getting much sustained possession, usually.
- L_B_R

Yeah "tear it up" probably wasn't the right choice of words, and i couldn't quite remember when or how long they were together....but i do know that when they were they looked good, and right now its tough to find a spot for Richards or Versteeg.

As far as Bickell it is mainly blind faith at this point that something might trigger him other than the playoffs(and not even that is guaranteed), but its worth looking at considering the top line has been shuffled lately in search of wingers for Toews, so why not give it a quick look at home against Columbus....

Upper limit is your 50 man roster.

A few other notes:

The 23-man roster limit is lifted on the day of the trade deadline.

The salary cap continues to apply until the final day of the regular season, but is lifted during the playoffs.

Unrestricted free agents signed after the trade deadline, including those from the NCAA ranks, are not eligible to play in the NHL playoffs because they were not on the team€™s 90-man reserve list on the day of the trade deadline. Example: Braun

Draft choices signed after the trade deadline are eligible to play in the playoffs because, by CBA definition, they were on the team’s 90-man reserve list on the day of the trade deadline. Reports that such players must sign before the end of the regular season are incorrect. Example: Paliotta

http://capgeek.org/nhl-sa...after-the-trade-deadline/
- TheTrob

>Great, thanks
>Not being a smart a** but it's Baun -- his grandfather was quite the Dman -- mainly with the Leafs

Before Baun and Paliotta signed the roster was already at 23, how do they fit in the 2 newbies?
- DarthKane

Bickell and Timonen take a bus to the Rock!

Sharp-Richards-Versteeg didn't really "tear it up", but I don't think they were together than many games tbh. In particular, Sharp got most of his points on the powerplay in the early parts of the season. He had 8 points 13 games to start but only 3 were at even strength - goals while playing with Toews-Hossa (DAL), assist with Richards-Versteeg (STL), and then an assist with Richards-Saad. Kane, Toews, and Hossa are the most common guys he connects with for point before his injury. That being said, your suggested 2nd line makes sense if only because having Sharp in his normal position is more ideal ideal. Sharp definitely looked good with Richards before.

I don't understand why anyone thinks this will be the benching that suddenly gets Bickell going because it's never worked in the past but I guess we all have to have hope. I would never have Bickell on the top line until playoff started, but I did like the Saad-Vermette-TT line despite it not producing. They at least kept the other team from getting much sustained possession, usually.
- L_B_R

Toews/Hossa/Sharp need to be our top line. Let them play together and build the chemistry for God sake !! Stop splitting them up Q. They're experienced and get paid top dollar to produce.

Yeah "tear it up" probably wasn't the right choice of words, and i couldn't quite remember when or how long they were together....but i do know that when they were they looked good, and right now its tough to find a spot for Richards or Versteeg.

As far as Bickell it is mainly blind faith at this point that something might trigger him other than the playoffs(and not even that is guaranteed), but its worth looking at considering the top line has been shuffled lately in search of wingers for Toews, so why not give it a quick look at home against Columbus....
- SimpleJack

Yeah, they probably did look fine. Most of the team looked ~fine in the early parts of the season, despite their lack of offense. They were controlling puck possession, limiting scoring chances, and dominating the neutral zone.

Honestly, I think Richards has looked better than Vermette since the TDL, give or take a game or two. Neither has been super impressive, but Vermette has been lackluster in all areas imo. Maybe he would do better in a 3C role since his adjusted numbers suggest he's been playing at a 3C level for the last two years or so.

Tbh I'd prefer just putting Sharp back with Toews-Hossa. The improvement in all 3's play was visually noticeable when reunited and the numbers confirmed the eye test. I think at this time you just have to hope Bickell turns in on the post-season like usual. I don't think the constant line changes are helping with timing/chemistry.

So with Baun choosing the Hawks and Paliotta NOT choosing free agency and dancing with the team that brung him...

...does that mean the Hawks are now a land of opportunity?

>But after deadline, no info on upper limit
- SnapitUpstairs

I don't think there is an upper limit.