Ditto for Carcillo being in the lineup over anyone. Not only is Carcillo the worst forward on the roster, he is worse than at least half the forwards currently in Rockford. He brings absolutely nothing to the table, outside of meaningless fights. Can't skate effectively, isn't willing to hit at a rate that justifies his roster spot, cannot handle a pass if his life depended on it, and cannot shoot the puck. At all.


110% agree

Can't and won't watch another game with 13 in it.

So if advanced stats mean nothing why is the whole league getting statistical departments? Make work projects?

Advanced stats tell you how players play in certain situations and can tell you if the team plays poorly and wins or conversely plays well and loses. Some, would ignore the stats saying the team is playing well and losing and mindlessely make all kinds of moves, like say canning the coach, while others uses that stats to pin point where the problem may lie.

But you know all this, it just doesn't suit your anti Q bias. But that's your problem, while Hawk fans celebrate a hawk championship you will be forced to stay away from this community because you'll be afraid to take the flack from yet another failed prediction.
- paulr

Advanced stats have a place in any sport, but they're not the 100% guarantees. They provide great info, but can take away instinct or a "feel" about a certain play or situation.

For example, if I'm a manager in baseball and I want to lay down a bunt because I have a good feeling about it, I want to just be able to make that call. I'm not necessarily looking for the advanced data on every possible outcome when bunting in that situation. I want to just go with my instinct.

Advanced stats are great for projecting players and a team on a large scale as well as concise/specific situations. So, I think there's a place for both advanced stats and gut instincts.

[quote=Colbyboy]Ditto for Carcillo being in the lineup over anyone. Not only is Carcillo the worst forward on the roster, he is worse than at least half the forwards currently in Rockford. He brings absolutely nothing to the table, outside of meaningless fights. Can't skate effectively, isn't willing to hit at a rate that justifies his roster spot, cannot handle a pass if his life depended on it, and cannot shoot the puck. At all.


With 13 in the lineup what is the message to the kids busting their balls in Rockford for a shot in the NHL?

Sorry to say, I disagree with your statement about "there is no real case against Q and it's all subjective stuff". IMO, coach Q has lost the team. Putting the players in the blender all years has had produced a lot of side effects and has brought about a lot of sluggish performances. Splitting the first 2 lines on defense has brought about nothing short of chaos. Requesting veterans( that are way past their prime) instead bringing up some young players and let them learn from their mistakes has made this team one of the slowest in theNHL. Always using double standars and sitting the young guys when they make a mistake but allowing the veterans make multiple mistakes without any punishment has not heped the moral of the younger players. Yes, coach Q has to take a pretty % of the blame , Stan and his bad trades have also helped in the demise of this team. We also have had some of our players play way below their capabilities...not good.
- spanky

The Hawks are no where near the slowest teams in the NHL. As far as losing the room it's again a subjective statement. You could be right but you have no way no prove it any more than I do to show he hasn't lost the room. If the room is lost why is this team able to play very well against the best teams? And how is it possible for the team to be at the top of the standings of the league?

I see a team not playing a structure, a team of players trying to be individuals. What is the reason? I really don't know? But if/when they begin to play their brand of hockey they will be fine.

Advanced stats have a place in any sport, but they're not the 100% guarantees. They provide great info, but can take away instinct or a "feel" about a certain play or situation.

For example, if I'm a manager in baseball and I want to lay down a bunt because I have a good feeling about it, I want to just be able to make that call. I'm not necessarily looking for the advanced data on every possible outcome when bunting in that situation. I want to just go with my instinct.

Advanced stats are great for projecting players and a team on a large scale as well as concise/specific situations. So, I think there's a place for both advanced stats and gut instincts.
- Hank3Henshaw

I agree. The best thing these stats do is prove or disprove what you saw or think you saw.

not even close my friend. I may disagree with you but I dont take what you say and extrapolate it completely out of context and put words in your mouth. Not once did TG, myself, or any other poster on this board call Pirri or Hayes HOF players or all-stars. what they are, however, are valuable depth players with speed (pirri) and size (hayes) who would look much better on the third line than Versteeg or Richards
- EnzoD

My earlier comment wasn't directed toward you but fair enough. Still think Versteeg for Hayes and Olsen was a win. Hayes looked horrible here last year and it looks like he improved, good for him. Pirri just wasn't good enough defensively to play on the Hawks. Zus playing ahead of him however is a different story.

Or perhaps, they're really just not a Cup contender. They're good, even very good most nights, but they've lost a lot of very good talent since 2010, and they guys who've replaced them, aren't as good. It was bound to happen. With Kane, there still were no guarantees. You have a few older guys whose game has declined, and some younger guys who've either not taken the step, or are not ready to. With some guys it's will, some guys skill.

How many games has Crow won by himself? They'll only go as far has he goes. Yeah, their top four is very good, but in the end, the goalie has to stop the puck. I'm not his biggest fan, but Crow has been really, really, good this year.

[quote=Colbyboy]Ditto for Carcillo being in the lineup over anyone. Not only is Carcillo the worst forward on the roster, he is worse than at least half the forwards currently in Rockford. He brings absolutely nothing to the table, outside of meaningless fights. Can't skate effectively, isn't willing to hit at a rate that justifies his roster spot, cannot handle a pass if his life depended on it, and cannot shoot the puck. At all.


With 13 in the lineup what is the message to the kids busting their balls in Rockford for a shot in the NHL?
- Colbyboy

With 9 games left I would think some Rockford players would join the big team.As far as making an impact, one would think there would be some competitive motivation provided.

It was reported Colgate's Kyle Baun had 18 teams interested in signing him. Bob McKenzie said today he is likely coming to Chicago.

My earlier comment wasn't directed toward you but fair enough. Still think Versteeg for Hayes and Olsen was a win. Hayes looked horrible here last year and it looks like he improved, good for him. Pirri just wasn't good enough defensively to play on the Hawks. Zus playing ahead of him however is a different story.
- biegs

Honestly I think there needs to be a fundamental change in either Bowman, or Q's off-season strategy. Can we put an age limit on any other UFA signings or trades at 33? this team used to be fast, they are the slower team almost every night at this point.....

8-3-1 since the league leading scorer went down. Those are results from this month. Go back to your hole.
- Sandus

And many of those games they were fortunate to get a W. The most recent example being Carolina. They haven't exactly been setting the world on fire.

To some people, a win is a win, but a pattern also makes a quilt.

The Hawks are no where near the slowest teams in the NHL. As far as losing the room it's again a subjective statement. You could be right but you have no way no prove it any more than I do to show he hasn't lost the room. If the room is lost why is this team able to play very well against the best teams? And how is it possible for the team to be at the top of the standings of the league?

I see a team not playing a structure, a team of players trying to be individuals. What is the reason? I really don't know? But if/when they begin to play their brand of hockey they will be fine.
- paulr

The Hawks look average or much slower when they can't complete the first pass out of their zone. Not a foot speed thing, the puck moves the fastest. But when they don't pass well the offense does stumble,

JJ, you do have to be a coach to realize tha Coach Q's coaching this year has not been a master piece. All the blending, preferring veterans that are over the hill has not helped this team. IMO, he has lost the the team...players are ignoring his instructions and are going through the motions. Let us not put all the blame on bad luck, opponents goalie playingn lights out, the long road trip and some of our players not playing up to snuff. The bottom line is the team has played like crap for 3 months and if it wasn't for some stellar play by our goalies...the Hawks would be on the verge of missing the playoffs.

It was reported Colgate's Kyle Baun had 18 teams interested in signing him. Bob McKenzie said today he is likely coming to Chicago.
- Al

Leblanc 2.0?

not even close my friend. I may disagree with you but I dont take what you say and extrapolate it completely out of context and put words in your mouth. Not once did TG, myself, or any other poster on this board call Pirri or Hayes HOF players or all-stars. what they are, however, are valuable depth players with speed (pirri) and size (hayes) who would look much better on the third line than Versteeg or Richards
- EnzoD

Maybe not on this topic; but projecting what Q would do with Kevin Hayes vs Brad Richards or any other player personnel scenario that never actually played out based on what Q has done in the past is by definition...extrapolation.

Leblanc 2.0?
- EnzoD

I don't know who touted that kid here....Leblanc can't play in the NHL his foot speed is really slow and plays slow. He made some nice money as a AHL player but I can't see him in the NHL.

It was reported Colgate's Kyle Baun had 18 teams interested in signing him. Bob McKenzie said today he is likely coming to Chicago.
- Al

Win some and lose some. And hopefully if the Hawks get him this talk of trends of young free agents not being interested in the Hawks will end.

Leblanc 2.0?
- EnzoD

LOL

The Hawks look average or much slower when they can't complete the first pass out of their zone. Not a foot speed thing, the puck moves the fastest. But when they don't pass well the offense does stumble,
- Al

And that is the crux of the Roszival-being-in-the-lineup problem.

Maybe not on this topic; but projecting what Q would do with Kevin Hayes vs Brad Richards or any other player personnel scenario that never actually played out based on what Q has done in the past is by definition...extrapolation.
- HawkintheD

Im talking about the hyperbole of evaluating former hawks players. Just bc I suggest they would be a nice fit on the 3rd line this year does not mean I guarantee that if they hadnt been traded they would be in the lineup. Rather, based on their performance over the past 1.5 seasons, I know they could contribute on a 3rd line with Bickell-Pirri-Hayes. Now that line could score AND hit. cant we all just keep it civil?

Honestly I think there needs to be a fundamental change in either Bowman, or Q's off-season strategy. Can we put an age limit on any other UFA signings or trades at 33? this team used to be fast, they are the slower team almost every night at this point.....
- EnzoD

The age players are signed here often has a direct relationship to being short on salary cap space.

I don't know who touted that kid here....Leblanc can't play in the NHL his foot speed is really slow and plays slow. He made some nice money as a AHL player but I can't see him in the NHL.
- Al

He isn't an AHL-level player sadly. Has had 2 awful season in Rockford.

It was reported Colgate's Kyle Baun had 18 teams interested in signing him. Bob McKenzie said today he is likely coming to Chicago.
- Al

Was he originally drafted and attained UFA status by completing his time at Colgate, or was he undrafted?

He isn't an AHL-level player sadly. Has had 2 awful season in Rockford.
- BreakoutHockey

Certainly not for the $$ he is earning now...Maybe Europe...Maybe.

Im talking about the hyperbole of evaluating former hawks players. Just bc I suggest they would be a nice fit on the 3rd line this year does not mean I guarantee that if they hadnt been traded they would be in the lineup. Rather, based on their performance over the past 1.5 seasons, I know they could contribute on a 3rd line with Bickell-Pirri-Hayes. Now that line could score AND hit. cant we all just keep it civil?
- EnzoD

Pirri and Hayes couldn't play for the Hawks Because the coaching staff didn't trust them to play a 200 foot game. It really doesn't matter what we as fans think.