StLBravesFan
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Location: IL Joined: 07.03.2011
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Earth to Qfelators.
It is the coach's job to get results. Where are the results? Not 3 years ago, but today. - TrueGrit
Earth to Hossa/Sharp/Saad/Toews.
It's the top-liners' jobs to score goals and produce. Where are the results? Not 3 years ago, but today. |
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nickmo2699
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Location: IL Joined: 01.06.2012
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John Jaeckel: You Can’t Have it Both Ways - John Jaeckel
Tough Loss. However JJ, why do you even make note of people on twitter? what validity is there on social media unless it is reported from someone who is a trusted source? Honestly, I find it comical to see everyone saying this guy is terrible and this guy cant coach and all this BS spewed when the team loses a couple times. Understand this...Toews is a world class player and captain, but, this team is not built around 19. It's built around 19 and 88. When one of them is hurt or not in the lineup there is a huge hole upfront. We can sit here and try and pinpoint the problem all we want but when one of our top 2 players upfront is not in the line up we are not cup contenders. |
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Good write up, JJ. It's become commonplace for people/fans to regurgitate what they hear on sports radio or read in the papers as if they're experts on the game: Q needs to stop messing with the lines, TT needs to be out there more, Carcillo should never see the ice, etc., etc...
The bottom line is, the team (as a whole) right now is just not doing the fundamentals. The basic keys to the game, like don't turn the puck over in your own zone, use the boards and don't pass up the middle, get pucks to the net (don't over-pass/get cute), and so forth, aren't being done right now.
Sure, having a stacked team is great, but there's teams in the league (past and present) who haven't had the "star power" of the Hawks, but have found ways to win. And they do that through executing the fundamentals. You can have all the big guns on your team, but if they aren't doing their jobs, it's hard to win.
People can argue that jumbling the lines inhibits guys from forming chemistry, and that's a legit point, but the bigger issue is that guys aren't in their spots and doing their job to begin with.
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I'll just say this - there is not a universe imaginable where playing Michal Roszival almost 17 minutes a night is going to lead to anything good.
Ditto for Carcillo being in the lineup over anyone. Not only is Carcillo the worst forward on the roster, he is worse than at least half the forwards currently in Rockford. He brings absolutely nothing to the table, outside of meaningless fights. Can't skate effectively, isn't willing to hit at a rate that justifies his roster spot, cannot handle a pass if his life depended on it, and cannot shoot the puck. At all.
I don't mind Bickell being sat because his game is an atrocity at this point - at least Desjardins will try to hit people, even if he's too slow most of the time to get it done. But sitting Teravainen in favor of Carcillo is absurd - at least with Teravainen, there is the possibility of generating offense and he is a still-developing player. Carcillo is an absolute black hole of hockey skills.
You can say that guys like that don't matter, but dressing players like Handzus, Bollig and Versteeg last year in the LA series (and subsequently giving them almost no ice time because of how awful they were) was absolutely devastating. |
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paulr
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Location: YYZ Joined: 06.26.2011
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Cup-Bearer
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Location: Chicago, IL Joined: 03.14.2014
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Earth to Qfelators.
It is the coach's job to get results. Where are the results? Not 3 years ago, but today. - TrueGrit
8-3-1 since the league leading scorer went down. Those are results from this month. Go back to your hole. |
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nickmo2699
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Location: IL Joined: 01.06.2012
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DarthKane
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Location: 5.13.4.9 Joined: 02.23.2012
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TrueGrit
Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: FL Joined: 07.19.2011
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HawkintheD
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Location: Sick Bay, MI Joined: 02.22.2012
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8-3-1 since the league leading scorer went down. Those are results from this month. Go back to your hole. - Sandus
That argument will fall on deaf ears. He only measures the team in wins and losses, but losses are way more important than wins. |
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TrueGrit
Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: FL Joined: 07.19.2011
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8-3-1 since the league leading scorer went down. Those are results from this month. Go back to your hole. - Sandus
Keep whistling past the grave yard. If you think they are playing solid and consistently, then keep your head in your hole.
Next thing you know we are going to get 7 pages of advanced stats that prove Nothing.
Advanced stat is final score...wins and losses.
We might as well debate uniform colors and lunar cycle correlations. |
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Keep whistling past the grave yard. If you think they are playing solid and consistently, then keep your head in your hole.
Next thing you know we are going to get 7 pages of advanced stats that prove Nothing.
Advanced stat is final score...wins and losses.
We might as well debate uniform colors and lunar cycle correlations. - TrueGrit
So twice as many wins as losses in the last 12 games without their leading scorer is not a good stat? They shut out the probable President's Trophy winners LAST week, at MSG, in a very well played game.
Mike Babcock hasn't won a Stanley Cup this decade. Detroit should totally let him go. |
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savvyone-1
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Location: I'm singing the Blues!, IL Joined: 03.04.2011
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Guess you aren't seeing the irony of you chuckling over that comment. - paulr
Well played. |
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mrn22
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Location: CT Joined: 05.22.2014
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I mean I can kinda answer my own question by reading the comments... but whats your overall view on Richards this year? You have him on a very reasonable contact, but with that said I thought he looked outa gas 2 seasons ago. Thinking this could be his last year. |
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EnzoD
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Location: Denver, CO Joined: 02.19.2014
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I mean I can kinda answer my own question by reading the comments... but whats your overall view on Richards this year? You have him on a very reasonable contact, but with that said I thought he looked outa gas 2 seasons ago. Thinking this could be his last year. - mrn22
Just another over-the-hill, slow-footed veteran that StanBo picked up thinking it was still 2008. Richards, Rosival, & Timmonen are slugs. |
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paulr
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Location: YYZ Joined: 06.26.2011
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Keep whistling past the grave yard. If you think they are playing solid and consistently, then keep your head in your hole.
Next thing you know we are going to get 7 pages of advanced stats that prove Nothing.
Advanced stat is final score...wins and losses.
We might as well debate uniform colors and lunar cycle correlations. - TrueGrit
So if advanced stats mean nothing why is the whole league getting statistical departments? Make work projects?
Advanced stats tell you how players play in certain situations and can tell you if the team plays poorly and wins or conversely plays well and loses. Some, would ignore the stats saying the team is playing well and losing and mindlessely make all kinds of moves, like say canning the coach, while others uses that stats to pin point where the problem may lie.
But you know all this, it just doesn't suit your anti Q bias. But that's your problem, while Hawk fans celebrate a hawk championship you will be forced to stay away from this community because you'll be afraid to take the flack from yet another failed prediction. |
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EnzoD
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Location: Denver, CO Joined: 02.19.2014
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biegs
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Location: Chicago, IL Joined: 06.25.2012
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So twice as many wins as losses in the last 12 games without their leading scorer is not a good stat? They shut out the probable President's Trophy winners LAST week, at MSG, in a very well played game.
Mike Babcock hasn't won a Stanley Cup this decade. Detroit should totally let him go. - Sandus
Get out of here with your strawman arguments. Don't you know TG is a real blackhawks fan and we're all koolaid drinkers reveling in the past! Teams like the islanders who play modern hockey have passed these bums we call a team by. Coach Q with his arrogance will not listen to the hockey experts on this board and he hasn't been fired yet?? It's baffling why we still watch this washed up team when we could be enjoying the efforts of the young and exciting panthers with Future superstars brandon Pirri and jimmy Hayes. See ya later blacksucks! |
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Cup-Bearer
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Location: Chicago, IL Joined: 03.14.2014
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He just signed an extension, the only place he is going is to a more expensive home/condo. - EnzoD
Yep this one
Edit: The Phaneuf residence |
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EnzoD
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Location: Denver, CO Joined: 02.19.2014
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Get out of here with your strawman arguments. Don't you know TG is a real blackhawks fan and we're all koolaid drinkers reveling in the past! Teams like the islanders who play modern hockey have passed these bums we call a team by. Coach Q with his arrogance will not listen to the hockey experts on this board and he hasn't been fired yet?? It's baffling why we still watch this washed up team when we could be enjoying the efforts of the young and exciting panthers with Future superstars brandon Pirri and jimmy Hayes. See ya later blacksucks! - biegs
why does it have to be extremes with all of you? cant we just have an educated debate about the Hawks without behaving like children with absurb hyperbole?? |
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biegs
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Location: Chicago, IL Joined: 06.25.2012
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why does it have to be extremes with all of you? cant we just have an educated debate about the Hawks without behaving like children with absurb hyperbole?? - EnzoD
Pot calling the kettle black? |
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The narrative of this 'Q is evil nonesense' has nothing to do with Q and how he coaches but because Q didn't love certain players as much as some posters did and as a result they are no longer Hawks. There is no real case about Q's coaching, it's all subjective stuff that is pointed at the coach. The problem with this team since January has been the best players haven't played to their capabilities. Not sure how this is tagged on the coach? - paulr
Sorry to say, I disagree with your statement about "there is no real case against Q and it's all subjective stuff". IMO, coach Q has lost the team. Putting the players in the blender all years has had produced a lot of side effects and has brought about a lot of sluggish performances. Splitting the first 2 lines on defense has brought about nothing short of chaos. Requesting veterans( that are way past their prime) instead bringing up some young players and let them learn from their mistakes has made this team one of the slowest in theNHL. Always using double standars and sitting the young guys when they make a mistake but allowing the veterans make multiple mistakes without any punishment has not heped the moral of the younger players. Yes, coach Q has to take a pretty % of the blame , Stan and his bad trades have also helped in the demise of this team. We also have had some of our players play way below their capabilities...not good. |
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EnzoD
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Location: Denver, CO Joined: 02.19.2014
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Pot calling the kettle black? - biegs
not even close my friend. I may disagree with you but I dont take what you say and extrapolate it completely out of context and put words in your mouth. Not once did TG, myself, or any other poster on this board call Pirri or Hayes HOF players or all-stars. what they are, however, are valuable depth players with speed (pirri) and size (hayes) who would look much better on the third line than Versteeg or Richards |
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