Ahhhh okay. I'll say this... I don't think it'd be smart to move schenn until our d prospects are ready. 2 things will happen by then- either he'll find his game and be a consistent 20-25g 30-35a player (what I think his ceiling is), or he'll stay the same inconsistent, streaky scorer he is now. And if he stays the same by the time our dmen are ready, trade him for a fair return. I think you have to wait longer for coots and laughton though, A- because they're both younger (coots only by a year I believe), and because both have larger defensive roles than schenn which can take away from offensive development. I feel like everyone on here (myself included a lot of the time) want the final product for our players, and they want it now. Which is unreal. It takes awhile for players to develop. Like I say almost daily.... look at nick foligno he's 27 and just broke out. Look at colin Wilson, he's 25 and just broke out, look at jake, he truly broke out this season, look at tj oshie he really only broke out last year at 27 as well. Some players just take more time to develop than others. That's what I think about this whole debacle.
- benjichronic

Let's say Schenn could be an effective center. Clearly he'll never be as good defensively as Couturier and maybe not as good as Laughton but even Giroux has his shortcomings defensively. The problem for me is, how can Schenn possibly develop a defensive game at center if he's constantly being moved around from center to wing? It's time to settle him in.

It's taken seven seasons to get where Voracek is now. Simmonds didn't reach 20 goals in a seasonuuntil his fourth season, Brayden Schenn reached 20 in three.

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- bodiva88

that would be acceptable

Let's say Schenn could be an effective center. Clearly he'll never be as good defensively as Couturier and maybe not as good as Laughton but even Giroux has his shortcomings defensively. The problem for me is, how can Schenn possibly develop a defensive game at center if he's constantly being moved around from center to wing? It's time to settle him in.
- SuperSchennBros

Yes I agree it's time to settle him. I'm not necessarily as worried about his defensive game though. I think we have enough 2 way skill in the top 6 to make up for some of his shortcomings. Whether they put him on 1LW- g is a fantastic 2 way player, jake back checks hard enough to make up for schenn. If he plays 2c- Simmonds plays a responsible 2 way game, and I guess raffl as of now, he plays a really effective 2 way game as well. So yeah, I'm not too worried about that for him.

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Let's say Schenn could be an effective center. Clearly he'll never be as good defensively as Couturier and maybe not as good as Laughton but even Giroux has his shortcomings defensively. The problem for me is, how can Schenn possibly develop a defensive game at center if he's constantly being moved around from center to wing? It's time to settle him in.

It's taken seven seasons to get where Voracek is now. Simmonds didn't reach 20 goals in a seasonuuntil his fourth season, Brayden Schenn reached 20 in three.
- SuperSchennBros

I do think if Schenn stays here, they need to put him in a spot and leave him there. I just don't put all that on the coaching staff. B. Schenn simply didn't claim a spot with his play.

Let's say Schenn could be an effective center. Clearly he'll never be as good defensively as Couturier and maybe not as good as Laughton but even Giroux has his shortcomings defensively. The problem for me is, how can Schenn possibly develop a defensive game at center if he's constantly being moved around from center to wing? It's time to settle him in.

It's taken seven seasons to get where Voracek is now. Simmonds didn't reach 20 goals in a seasonuuntil his fourth season, Brayden Schenn reached 20 in three.
- SuperSchennBros

Not sure it's something to worry about yet. Laughton might need more AHL time, he might be ready now. Schenn has had flashes of good play, but has never really shown flashes of being a potentially dominant player, at either center or wing. Money might end up being a factor in determining which one stays or goes, as could the draft.

If the Flyers land a kid like Barzal or Strome, they project as potential top line centers. I'm not advocating a trade of anyone now, unless it's for good value. Schenn might find a spot and really break out next year as a winger. Or maybe he can land them a really good, young defenseman. It's not as easy as saying, "they have to deal one of these guys", because they don't.

Yes I agree it's time to settle him. I'm not necessarily as worried about his defensive game though. I think we have enough 2 way skill in the top 6 to make up for some of his shortcomings. Whether they put him on 1LW- g is a fantastic 2 way player, jake back checks hard enough to make up for schenn. If he plays 2c- Simmonds plays a responsible 2 way game, and I guess raffl as of now, he plays a really effective 2 way game as well. So yeah, I'm not too worried about that for him.
- benjichronic

I wouldn't call Giroux a fantastic 2 way player. I think he is responsible defensively, and I think he makes an effort to play well defensively, but he's not fantastic at it. The Flyers forwards as a whole are average defensively in my opinion.

Not sure it's something to worry about yet. Laughton might need more AHL time, he might be ready now. Schenn has had flashes of good play, but has never really shown flashes of being a potentially dominant player, at either center or wing. Money might end up being a factor in determining which one stays or goes, as could the draft.

If the Flyers land a kid like Barzal or Strome, they project as potential top line centers. I'm not advocating a trade of anyone now, unless it's for good value. Schenn might find a spot and really break out next year as a winger. Or maybe he can land them a really good, young defenseman. It's not as easy as saying, "they have to deal one of these guys", because they don't.
- Jsaquella

They are going to wait for the youngest Strome (Matthew).....scoring the OHL Cup OT winner here.

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Yes I agree it's time to settle him. I'm not necessarily as worried about his defensive game though. I think we have enough 2 way skill in the top 6 to make up for some of his shortcomings. Whether they put him on 1LW- g is a fantastic 2 way player, jake back checks hard enough to make up for schenn. If he plays 2c- Simmonds plays a responsible 2 way game, and I guess raffl as of now, he plays a really effective 2 way game as well. So yeah, I'm not too worried about that for him.
- benjichronic

I think Schenn still needs time to grow. I think he's right on track to where Voracek and Simmonds were as developing players at his age.

Raffl to me is our best defensive winger, at least this season. Read really should be the best but I'm not so sure at the moment.

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a mod deleted the troll, then there was a Flyer fan self-deletion.
- bodiva88

I was talking about the the self-deletion. 2many to keep track of, I suppose.

I wouldn't call Giroux a fantastic 2 way player. I think he is responsible defensively, and I think he makes an effort to play well defensively, but he's not fantastic at it. The Flyers forwards as a whole are average defensively in my opinion.
- MJL

I gotta disagree with ya. I've seen too many plays where g made a ridiculous poke check to completely break up offensive flow, broke up a pass that would easily be a breakaway, seen him ferociously backcheck, seen him dig in the boards, I've seen a lot of this too much to say that he's not a great 2 way player. I stand by what I say, I think g is one of the most underrated 2 way guys in the league.

It would be hard to be any more ginger.
- bodiva88

I guess I never really saw them without their equipment on. Also, I tend to ignore gingers.

/sarcasm
//I'm not racist against gingers, so phillysportsguy can zip it

I wouldn't call Giroux a fantastic 2 way player. I think he is responsible defensively, and I think he makes an effort to play well defensively, but he's not fantastic at it. The Flyers forwards as a whole are average defensively in my opinion.
- MJL

I will say this though, I think because g is a player with smaller stature, I think he might not be as good at physically pushing opposition off the puck as say, toews, Bergeron, kopitar, kesler, backes, etc. But what he lacks in that regard, he works around with his stick checks.

I think Schenn still needs time to grow. I think he's right on track to where Voracek and Simmonds were as developing players at his age.

Raffl to me is our best defensive winger, at least this season. Read really should be the best but I'm not so sure at the moment.
- SuperSchennBros

read had a tough year, but I think (and hope) it's an anomaly.

I wouldn't call Giroux a fantastic 2 way player. I think he is responsible defensively, and I think he makes an effort to play well defensively, but he's not fantastic at it. The Flyers forwards as a whole are average defensively in my opinion.
- MJL

I think what he lacks in defensive skill, he tries to make up for in heart. sometimes it works, sometimes not. That's why I like Raffl up there. He can play both sides of the puck.

http://www.nj.com/flyers/...n_trash_daily_news_r.html

Randy and Frank should just fight and get it over with

I gotta disagree with ya. I've seen too many plays where g made a ridiculous poke check to completely break up offensive flow, broke up a pass that would easily be a breakaway, seen him ferociously backcheck, seen him dig in the boards, I've seen a lot of this too much to say that he's not a great 2 way player. I stand by what I say, I think g is one of the most underrated 2 way guys in the league.
- benjichronic

Individual plays doesn't make a player a great 2 way player. It's the sum of his defensive play over a season. Defensively, Giroux is just average. Giroux is not even the best defensive forward on his own team. Couturier, Read when healthy, Raffl, Bellemare, and even White are better defensively then Giroux is in my opinion. Faceoff ability is one area where Giroux excels. Although I do think Giroux has improved away from the puck from past seasons.

http://www.nj.com/flyers/...n_trash_daily_news_r.html

Randy and Frank should just fight and get it over with
- PhillySportsGuy

The dumb part is, if they were feuding, they wouldn't say so. At this point, I really don't care. The team isn't that good and changes need to be made. If they were about to make a playoff run and this poop was going on, I might care more about it.

I gotta disagree with ya. I've seen too many plays where g made a ridiculous poke check to completely break up offensive flow, broke up a pass that would easily be a breakaway, seen him ferociously backcheck, seen him dig in the boards, I've seen a lot of this too much to say that he's not a great 2 way player. I stand by what I say, I think g is one of the most underrated 2 way guys in the league.
- benjichronic

There were many times where in the dying moments of a third period where we held a one goal lead post Mike Richards and Giroux was trusted to hold off the opposing team's best to hang on to the lead. Giroux was often the cause of loss coverage that led to the eventual goal scorer to tie up the game.

The dumb part is, if they were feuding, they wouldn't say so. At this point, I really don't care. The team isn't that good and changes need to be made. If they were about to make a playoff run and this poop was going on, I might care more about it.
- funmaster18

I hope an all out brawl happens between the beat writers at a press conference. I bet Panaccio fights dirty. Just look at his face.

Man, if the Kings don't squeak in the Canes will end up with two top 15 picks. They don't have a terrible roster as it is either. They could conceivably draft Provorov and move up a few spots for Werenski.

I hope an all out brawl happens between the beat writers at a press conference. I bet Panaccio fights dirty. Just look at his face.
- PhillySportsGuy

I don't know, I imagine him just stupid drunk off of wine, smiling and slurring his words without really being able to land a punch. I think Frank is the dirty fighter.