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-davies-
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Mar 24 @ 8:57 PM ET
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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:02 PM ET
The Daily News doesn't give a damn who YOU trust. They only care about their liability, which is directly tied to what Seravalli can prove he was told, if he was ever under oath.

Because the "point of it," is Frank Seravalli is reporting the contents of conversations that portray a professional sports franchise negatively. Whether he is looking for drama not on a daily basis, he still has to be able to produce verifiable evidence of his reporting, on demand.

You can trust who you want. But that doesn't mean Seravalli wasn't told what he was reported -- and if was wrong, that professional sports franchise would ensure that you knew exactly what the reporter said was wrong, and make his publication acknowledge it.

- AllInForFlyers


They are not opening themselves up to any liability with what he wrote. He's a beat writer covering the team, and giving his take on a situation, and what he thought happened. He has offered zero evidence to support what he wrote. He doesn't have to produce evidence, because he hasn't. I have no idea where you're getting this idea from. They aren't in a court of law where there is a burden of proof. The entire premise you're offering is ludicrous.
Seravalli is full of crap and always has been!
Hextall, Mason, and Berube have all strongly denied what has been written. They wouldn't do that if there was a shred of truth to it, in my opinion.

All there is, is a bunch of drama created by the media based on speculation and innuendo. From Mason playing in the game when Berube pulled Zepp, to some poor choice of words by Berube in interviews, and now the "Berube shunning Mason" at the team bus. It's all nonsense.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Mar 24 @ 9:03 PM ET
Mason's comments on what was actually said, refuted all of that. There was never any evidence whatsoever, from any legitimate source that backs Seravalli's story up.

I'd love to know what specific comments and actions of both Berube and Mason, make it seem like Seravalli's story holds water?

How about this comment from Mason with regards to Seravalli writing that Berube gave Mason the cold shoulder getting on the team bus.

“Nothing could be further from the truth,” Mason said, adding he spoke to Berube before getting on the bus."

- MJL


See, here's what Seravalli reported:

According to multiple sources,
Reese was peeved that Mason relieved starter Rob Zepp after two goals, since Mason was told that day he would not play unless Zepp sustained serious injury.

Sources said Mason was given that word by the team, asking him to suit up because the team had salary cap issues and could not afford another backup goaltender for the game.

Seravalli has to produce those sources, on demand from his editors. You can believe they don't exist, or not.

He's not "giving his take" on that situation -- which is the one I'm talking about. You're talking about something else entirely.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:09 PM ET
See, here's what Seravalli reported:

According to multiple sources,
Reese was peeved that Mason relieved starter Rob Zepp after two goals, since Mason was told that day he would not play unless Zepp sustained serious injury.

Sources said Mason was given that word by the team, asking him to suit up because the team had salary cap issues and could not afford another backup goaltender for the game.

Seravalli has to produce those sources, on demand from his editors. You can believe they don't exist, or not.

- AllInForFlyers


No he doesn't have to, and regardless he didn't name his sources , and he hasn't provided proof of anything. Nor has any proof of what he reported surfaced from other sources. Mason himself refuted the idea that he couldn't play. Mason and Berube both said that the so called shun at the team bus never happened. Seravalli has zero credibility.

You can take Seravalli's word if you choose to, but I won't.

Sources aren't infallible.

Do you honestly believe that Berube was told by management that Mason couldn't play in the Toronto game, then he ignored that and made the switch anyway? Seravalli has unnamed sources. Give me a break.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:16 PM ET

- wilsonecho91


exactly.

never gets old.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 03.18.2013

Mar 24 @ 9:16 PM ET
No he doesn't have to, and regardless he didn't name his sources , and he hasn't provided proof of anything. Nor has any proof of what he reported surfaced from other sources. Mason himself refuted the idea that he couldn't play. Mason and Berube both said that the so called shun at the team bus never happened. Seravalli has zero credibility.

You can take Seravalli's word if you choose to, but I won't.

Do you honestly believe that Berube was told by management that Mason couldn't play in the Toronto game, then he ignored that and made the switch anyway? Seravalli has unnamed sources. Give me a break.

- MJL


I believe that Mason was told that he wouldn't play unless Zepp sustained serious injury, not that "Mason couldn't play" -- the former is what Seravalli reported, the latter is what you have interpreted as being said.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:19 PM ET
Two things concern me in regards to B. Schenn's future development. I just don't see in him better than average hockey sense nor does he have better than average speed. Jake Voracek always had speed and size, he just needed to find the maturity to take his game to the next level. Simmonds always had toughness, grit and a willingness to go hard to the net in his game and Couturier has always had excellence defensive awareness and the ability to effectively shut down top centers and kill penalties.

I just don't see any part of Schenn's overall game that leaps out at you. Of all the young forwards, he's the one I'd be most willing to move in the right deal.

- BiggE


the only part of schenn's game that was noticeably positive was his penchant for scoring dirty goals around the net, which i loved because he's not a big man. not afraid to get in there and get it done. but that's all i've seen from him, generally speaking. nothing else. nothing else has stood out. can he get better and become a kind of impact 2nd line guy? maybe. but i've seen nothing this year that indicates growth at all. i would be willing to move him in the right deal for sure.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:20 PM ET
I believe that Mason was told that he wouldn't play unless Zepp sustained serious injury, not that "Mason couldn't play" -- the former is what Seravalli reported, the latter is what you have interpreted as being said.
- AllInForFlyers


I don't believe that for a single second. If that was the case, Berube would have been told the same thing, and he wouldn't have pulled Zepp and put Mason is. Mason himself even said that he was capable of playing. He just wanted more practice time to feel more in tune.
AllInForFlyers
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Joined: 03.18.2013

Mar 24 @ 9:21 PM ET
I don't believe that for a single second. If that was the case, Berube would have been told the same thing, and he wouldn't have pulled Zepp and put Mason is. Mason himself even said that he was capable of playing. He just wanted more practice time to feel more in tune.
- MJL


You sure about that?

In his post-game press conference that night following the 3-2 loss to the Maple Leafs, coach Craig Berube admitted Mason “would have preferred Zepp to finish the game … but that’s my gut and I went with it.” Mason limped out of Air Canada Centre that night to the team’s bus.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:23 PM ET
Given the actions and comments of both Berube and Mason, it sure does seem Seravalli's story holds water, at least to some extent. Obviously Mason isn't going to throw Berube under the bus, and after the story came out and was denied, Berube's going to downplay any issues. But let's face it, Berube did go out of his way to praise Emery after a horrible outing in Edmonton and defended his pulling of Mason with a ludicrous excuse.
- Jsaquella


whoah, whoah, whoah, stop the clock.

berube praised emery? or was it nothing more than "hey, tough situation having to go in like that when you're not expected to play?"
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:23 PM ET
You sure about that?

In his post-game press conference that night following the 3-2 loss to the Maple Leafs, coach Craig Berube admitted Mason “would have preferred Zepp to finish the game … but that’s my gut and I went with it.” Mason limped out of Air Canada Centre that night to the team’s bus.

- AllInForFlyers


Yes, I'm sure about that. Mason said he was capable of playing, but would of preferred more practice time before playing. There's a big difference between preferring not to play, and not being able to play.

It's interesting that Seravalli is the only reporter with "several unnamed sources"
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 03.18.2013

Mar 24 @ 9:24 PM ET
Yes, I'm sure about that. Mason said he was capable of playing, but would of preferred more practice time before playing. There's a big difference between preferring not to play, and not being able to play.

It's interesting that Seravalli is the only reporter with "several unnamed sources"

- MJL


So you're going to ignore the fact that you just said that you don't believe that Berube would insert a player who was told that they weren't playing, even with Berube saying that in the post-game press conference, for everyone to hear?
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 01.10.2015

Mar 24 @ 9:29 PM ET
if you like Seinfeld, you'll probably like it. I never liked Seinfeld, and I still liked it.
- BulliesPhan87


get out.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:30 PM ET
So you're going to ignore the fact that you just said that you don't believe that Berube would insert a player who was told that they weren't playing, even with Berube saying that in the post-game press conference, for everyone to hear?
- AllInForFlyers


I don't believe that Berube was told that Mason was not available to play, not by Mason, by Hextall, or by anyone.

Berube did not say that Mason was told he wouldn't play unless Zepp sustained an injury, in his post game press conference.

You might want to review what I posted.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
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Mar 24 @ 9:34 PM ET
I don't believe that Berube was told that Mason was not available to play, not by Mason, by Hextall, or by anyone.

Berube did not say that Mason was told he wouldn't play unless Zepp sustained an injury, in his post game press conference.

- MJL


No one, no one at all, said Mason was "not available to play." Seravalli reported that Mason was told that he would not play unless Zepp sustained a serious injury -- which meant the player knew that he COULD play. Which doesn't contradict in the slightest, again, what Seravalli reported.

I don't know exactly what Berube was asked in the postgame presser, but I bet it wasn't, "Hey, Craig. Was Steve Mason told he wasn't playing tonight unless Rob Zepp sustained a serious injury?"
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
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Mar 24 @ 9:35 PM ET
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mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 08.16.2006

Mar 24 @ 9:35 PM ET
So you're going to ignore the fact that you just said that you don't believe that Berube would insert a player who was told that they weren't playing, even with Berube saying that in the post-game press conference, for everyone to hear?
- AllInForFlyers

Man... where could this go? You know that the team always tells the truth. WTF man...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:38 PM ET
No one, no one at all, said Mason was "not available to play." Seravalli reported that Mason was told that he would not play unless Zepp sustained a serious injury -- which meant the player knew that he COULD play. Which doesn't contradict in the slightest, again, what Seravalli reported.

I don't know exactly what Berube was asked in the postgame presser, but I bet it wasn't, "Hey, Craig. Was Steve Mason told he wasn't playing tonight unless Rob Zepp sustained a serious injury?"

- AllInForFlyers


I don't believe that Berube was told not to play Mason unless Zepp was injured. Mason was capable and available to play, even though he personally would've preferred to get more practice time, which Mason said, and Berube talked about. Mason came in and played without an issue, and played well. All of which leads to there not being a problem with the situation, and why I think it's all a bunch of nonsense.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:39 PM ET
Man... where could this go? You know that the team always tells the truth. WTF man...
- mayorofangrytown


Beat writers always get the story right, and have the facts!
AllInForFlyers
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Mar 24 @ 9:39 PM ET
Man... where could this go? You know that the team always tells the truth. WTF man...
- mayorofangrytown


Ha! RJ Umberger's a healthy player!
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
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Mar 24 @ 9:41 PM ET
I don't believe that Berube was told not to play Mason unless Zepp was injured. Mason was capable and available to play, even though he personally would've preferred to get more practice time, which Mason said, and Berube talked about. Mason came in and played without an issue, and played well. All of which leads to there not being a problem with the situation, and why I think it's all a bunch of nonsense.
- MJL


Again: No one, no one at all, said Berube was told not to play Mason. You might want to review exactly what Seravalli reported, because it's clearly posted.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:41 PM ET
get out.
- black_francis


curb is seinfeld on crack. it's (frank)ing awesome.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:43 PM ET
Ha! RJ Umberger's a healthy player!
- AllInForFlyers


Hextall knew when the Flyers traded for Umberger that he would need surgery for the hip issue after the season.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:44 PM ET
Again: No one, no one at all, said Berube was told not to play Mason. You might want to review exactly what Seravalli reported, because it's clearly posted.
- AllInForFlyers


So if Mason was available to play, what's the issue?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 24 @ 9:49 PM ET
Hold on bjs!! Hold on!!
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