- ob18

I'll double-post whenever I feel like, people
- AllInForFlyers

Edit... beaten

Edit... beaten
- mayorofangrytown

They're all going out to lunch with Jeff Reese tomorrow, amirite?

When the Daily News and Servalli get sued for libel and he can't produce his quotes or sources, or when the Flyers request that an actual correction or retraction be printed, I'll believe that everything's fine

Until then, I'll go with the reports that a guy is filing that isn't just propaganda for a team where it would be far easier to just go along with the flow and say nothing about what you actually see or hear
- AllInForFlyers

I think the Flyers should fire Berube while they're giving out the end up season awards to the players and re-higher Reese the next day. I couldn't be more serious.

- ob18

Yeah. It would help their cause if they gave an actual reason for Reese leaving. I really doubt it was for personal reasons.
- PhillySportsGuy

You know what? I even understand that -- it's a personnel issue, and they don't have to disclose.

But in journalism, unless Frank Seravalli is absolutely, bat-poop insane, there are a few rules of thumb:

1. When a guy is dropping quotes about actual people, on the beat he covers, and a correction, retraction or libel suit isn't filed -- but instead, people who are the subject of unflattering coverage instead deny, deny, deny to friendlier outlets but don't actually demand that the "false" coverage be retracted -- go with the source that is dropping bombs.

Why? Because you don't sue someone when you would have to testify, under oath, that what they reported isn't true...when it is.

How long did Roger Clemens deny steroid use? Alex Rodriguez?

Until they were under oath. Then, Clemens had to "misremember" his activities, and nearly got his ass slapped with a perjury charge.

The Flyers can deny all they want. But until they actually take action against "erroneous reporting filled with inaccuracies, but we're not telling you what, exactly, is inaccurate", it's all spin on their part.

- mayorofangrytown

What fun would that be sir......

You know what? I even understand that -- it's a personnel issue, and they don't have to disclose.

But in journalism, unless Frank Seravalli is absolutely, bat-poop insane, there are a few rules of thumb:

1. When a guy is dropping quotes about actual people, on the beat he covers, and a correction, retraction or libel suit isn't filed -- but instead, people who are the subject of unflattering coverage instead deny, deny, deny to friendlier outlets but don't actually demand that the "false" coverage be retracted -- go with the source that is dropping bombs.

Why? Because you don't sue someone when you would have to testify, under oath, that what they reported isn't true...when it is.

How long did Roger Clemens deny steroid use? Alex Rodriguez?

Until they were under oath. Then, Clemens had to "misremember" his activities, and nearly got his ass slapped with a perjury charge.

The Flyers can deny all they want. But until they actually take action against "erroneous reporting filled with inaccuracies, but we're not telling you what, exactly, is inaccurate", it's all spin on their part.
- AllInForFlyers

Even when they sue or threaten to sue it's not ironclad.

What fun would that be sir......
- ob18

Even when they sue or threaten to sue it's not ironclad.
- mayorofangrytown

Exactly -- but see, here's the thing about Seravalli.

He reported that Steve Mason was told that he wouldn't play that night against Toronto and that he was only dressed because the Flyers were under the cap.

Now, which is more likely:

Frank Seravalli just sat at his keyboard and said, "(frank) it. Steve Mason was on the bench, but I'm just gonna say for the (frank) of it that he was told that he wasn't playing and that he was dressed so the Flyers were under the cap. Then, when the Flyers sue me, I'm going to lose, owe them a ton of money, get fired and never work in this industry again."

OR

Frank Seravalli has a recording of someone -- likely Steve Mason or Jeff Reese -- telling him that?

Seriously. Which of those is more likely?

With no correction or retraction being issued, no lawsuit threatened or filed, it's obvious which is the most likely answer.

- mayorofangrytown

Well, his reporting of Berube and Mason not seeing eye to eye is clearly incorrect. They just had that meeting to clear the air and everything. Pretty sure Mason and Berube are Facebook friends too. Things are fine. They're just fine. No reason to even worry. I'm not worried. I mean why would I be worried? Mason has perfect health and a great relationship with all members of the organization. It's fine. We're fine. Everything is (frank)ing fine. CHILL OUT!
- PhillySportsGuy

And how could you doubt the journalistic chops of Randy Miller, who was the subject of this wonderful tirade and gleefully dumps every TMZ-esque dirt on Bryzgalov.

http://deadspin.com/lets-...ya-bryzgalov-un-574043008

And how could you doubt the journalistic chops of Randy Miller, who was the subject of this wonderful tirade and gleefully dumps every TMZ-esque dirt on Bryzgalov.

http://deadspin.com/lets-...ya-bryzgalov-un-574043008
- Jsaquella

I don't necessarily believe everything that is being reported, on any given day -- I don't mean to give that impression.

But what Seravalli wrote went through editors, where I would bet someone asked the question, "Um, you can back this up, right?"

Of all the things he has written, that conversation about what Mason was told is one I flat-out do not question. Not even a little bit.

Everything else, I understand that people will believe what they want to believe.

But Seravalli literally reported what a player who was coming back from injury was told about not playing, when he was cleared to play. He would have no way of knowing that, none whatsoever, without someone telling him that.

I don't necessarily believe everything that is being reported, on any given day -- I don't mean to give that impression.

But what Seravalli wrote went through editors, where I would bet someone asked the question, "Um, you can back this up, right?"

Of all the things he has written, that conversation about what Mason was told is one I flat-out do not question. Not even a little bit.

Everything else, I understand that people will believe what they want to believe.

But Seravalli literally reported what a player who was coming back from injury was told about not playing, when he was cleared to play. He would have no way of knowing that, none whatsoever, without someone telling him that.
- AllInForFlyers

Given the actions and comments of both Berube and Mason, it sure does seem Seravalli's story holds water, at least to some extent. Obviously Mason isn't going to throw Berube under the bus, and after the story came out and was denied, Berube's going to downplay any issues. But let's face it, Berube did go out of his way to praise Emery after a horrible outing in Edmonton and defended his pulling of Mason with a ludicrous excuse.

Well, his reporting of Berube and Mason not seeing eye to eye is clearly incorrect. They just had that meeting to clear the air and everything. Pretty sure Mason and Berube are Facebook friends too. Things are fine. They're just fine. No reason to even worry. I'm not worried. I mean why would I be worried? Mason has perfect health and a great relationship with all members of the organization. It's fine. We're fine. Everything is (frank)ing fine. CHILL OUT!
- PhillySportsGuy

You are incorrect. Mason and Berube had their meeting over facebook inbox. You do not have to be facebook friends to do this. Just ask all my ex's.

And how could you doubt the journalistic chops of Randy Miller, who was the subject of this wonderful tirade and gleefully dumps every TMZ-esque dirt on Bryzgalov.

http://deadspin.com/lets-...ya-bryzgalov-un-574043008
- Jsaquella

Such swine. A large part of me wants Frank to be right on this story. Just so he can shove it straight up Randy Miller's ass.

You are incorrect. Mason and Berube had their meeting over facebook inbox. You do not have to be facebook friends to do this. Just ask all my ex's.
- SuperSchennBros

Lol. You snoop don't you?

You know what? I even understand that -- it's a personnel issue, and they don't have to disclose.

But in journalism, unless Frank Seravalli is absolutely, bat-poop insane, there are a few rules of thumb:

1. When a guy is dropping quotes about actual people, on the beat he covers, and a correction, retraction or libel suit isn't filed -- but instead, people who are the subject of unflattering coverage instead deny, deny, deny to friendlier outlets but don't actually demand that the "false" coverage be retracted -- go with the source that is dropping bombs.

Why? Because you don't sue someone when you would have to testify, under oath, that what they reported isn't true...when it is.

How long did Roger Clemens deny steroid use? Alex Rodriguez?

Until they were under oath. Then, Clemens had to "misremember" his activities, and nearly got his ass slapped with a perjury charge.

The Flyers can deny all they want. But until they actually take action against "erroneous reporting filled with inaccuracies, but we're not telling you what, exactly, is inaccurate", it's all spin on their part.
- AllInForFlyers

Let me see if I got this right. Alex Rodriguez and Roger Clemons lied about steroid use, and the Flyers have not taken legal action against the Daily News and Frank Seravalli, therefore what he is reporting is accurate, and the truth? Seriously? First of all, you'd have to have legal grounds, and honestly what would be the point of it? It's really comical to suggest that or imply that the Flyers would have to testify and tell the truth under oath, so they won't sue, which means it all true. If that's what you want to go with.
Seravalli has a track record of being wrong about a lot of crap. As do many of the other beat writers. This kind of nonsense comes out when a team is losing. Reporters like Seravalli and Carchidi, are looking for drama. It's the same crap as all the nonsense written about Carter and Richards. It's all hogwash.
I trust Hextall and Berube, who are actually there and involved in the situation, as well as Mason, far more then I'll ever trust hack reporters such as Seravalli.

Given the actions and comments of both Berube and Mason, it sure does seem Seravalli's story holds water, at least to some extent. Obviously Mason isn't going to throw Berube under the bus, and after the story came out and was denied, Berube's going to downplay any issues. But let's face it, Berube did go out of his way to praise Emery after a horrible outing in Edmonton and defended his pulling of Mason with a ludicrous excuse.
- Jsaquella

I've lost respect for Berube the moment he made hose meat headed comments about Hartnell at the season ticket holder's meeting, then claimed that him and Hartnell were still friends just before the first faceoff against the Blue Jackets, where Hartnell denied all of that, with a claim that he believed he wasn't a Flyer anymore because of Berube. I don't buy anything this meathead says. He's worse a Coach then Bill Barber and John Stevens with even less the intelligent personality.

Lol. You snoop don't you?
- PhillySportsGuy

They look so much better now then they did while they were with me.

I don't necessarily believe everything that is being reported, on any given day -- I don't mean to give that impression.

But what Seravalli wrote went through editors, where I would bet someone asked the question, "Um, you can back this up, right?"

Of all the things he has written, that conversation about what Mason was told is one I flat-out do not question. Not even a little bit.

Everything else, I understand that people will believe what they want to believe.

But Seravalli literally reported what a player who was coming back from injury was told about not playing, when he was cleared to play. He would have no way of knowing that, none whatsoever, without someone telling him that.
- AllInForFlyers

Mason's comments on what was actually said, refuted all of that. There was never any evidence whatsoever, from any legitimate source that backs Seravalli's story up.

I'd love to know what specific comments and actions of both Berube and Mason, make it seem like Seravalli's story holds water?

How about this comment from Mason with regards to Seravalli writing that Berube gave Mason the cold shoulder getting on the team bus.

“Nothing could be further from the truth,” Mason said, adding he spoke to Berube before getting on the bus."

They look so much better now then they did while they were with me.
- SuperSchennBros

That just means you're really good at scouting

Mason's comments on what was actually said, refuted all of that. There was never any evidence whatsoever, from any legitimate source that backs Seravalli's story up.
- MJL

I'm thinking one of the players is talking (not Steve Mason).

It would make sense. Mason's been a warrior all season long with all of this bullpoop. I wouldn't be surprised if the locker room is divided somewhat. It doesn't matter. Berube is as good as gone by the time June comes around.

Mason's comments on what was actually said, refuted all of that. There was never any evidence whatsoever, from any legitimate source that backs Seravalli's story up.

I'd love to know what specific comments and actions of both Berube and Mason, make it seem like Seravalli's story holds water?

How about this comment from Mason with regards to Seravalli writing that Berube gave Mason the cold shoulder getting on the team bus.

“Nothing could be further from the truth,” Mason said, adding he spoke to Berube before getting on the bus."
- MJL

How do you know? Are you the source? Do you know what happened? Were you in the room with Berube? Were you with Reese? Have you been neutered? Are you going to answer all these questions? Where do you enjoy vacationing? Have you ever thrown your back out trying to lift a TV? Remember when TVs were so god damn heavy? Isn't it so much easier to carry a flat screen with another person now? Have you seen the new flat screens with the curve? How come every time I buy a (frank)ing TV they come out with one thats much cooler?

Let me see if I got this right. Alex Rodriguez and Roger Clemons lied about steroid use, and the Flyers have not taken legal action against the Daily News and Frank Seravalli, therefore what he is reporting is accurate, and the truth? Seriously? First of all, you'd have to have legal grounds, and honestly what would be the point of it? It's really comical to suggest that or imply that the Flyers would have to testify and tell the truth under oath, so they won't sue, which means it all true. If that's what you want to go with.
Seravalli has a track record of being wrong about a lot of crap. As do many of the other beat writers. This kind of nonsense comes out when a team is losing. Reporters like Seravalli and Carchidi, are looking for drama. It's the same crap as all the nonsense written about Carter and Richards. It's all hogwash.
I trust Hextall and Berube, who are actually there and involved in the situation, as well as Mason, far more then I'll ever trust hack reporters such as Seravalli.
- MJL

The Daily News doesn't give a damn who YOU trust. They only care about their liability, which is directly tied to what Seravalli can prove he was told, if he was ever under oath.

Because the "point of it," is Frank Seravalli is reporting the contents of conversations that portray a professional sports franchise negatively. Whether he is looking for drama or not on a daily basis, he still has to be able to produce verifiable evidence of his reporting, on demand.

You can trust who you want. But that doesn't mean Seravalli wasn't told what he reported -- and if was wrong, that professional sports franchise would ensure that you knew exactly what the reporter said was wrong, and make his publication acknowledge it.