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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 23 @ 4:12 PM ET
Correction, Burke has been given permission to seek a management job, not necessarily any open spot. Maybe the Flyers toss him an assistant GM title/goaltending coordinator gig, if interested.
- Jsaquella


Yeah, doubt he wants to move laterally into another goalie coach position.

Hopefully it's a sign that ARI is prepared to clean house... TIPPEETTTTTTT!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 23 @ 4:12 PM ET
Edited.

It's little difference. Buying him out this summer only an extra year of dead cap around 880k. That's peanuts and not worth the headache of keeping him around if a coach had no use for him

- Just5


It is worth it if they don't need the cap space to do anything. I don't see it being a big headache either.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 23 @ 4:12 PM ET
On Tippet. Are people speculating he's going to get canned this summer?
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Mar 23 @ 4:13 PM ET
On Tippet. Are people speculating he's going to get canned this summer?
- Just5


Didn't he extend, even knowing that they were tearing it down?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 23 @ 4:13 PM ET
If he still truly thinks he can play, he'd take the risk, right?

But somehow, I have a feeling that Wheels knows the truth

- AllInForFlyers


If he thinks the Flyers are desperate enough to use a buyout on him, why walk away from the cash?
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Mar 23 @ 4:14 PM ET
Didn't he extend, even knowing that they were tearing it down?
- AllInForFlyers


That's what I thought. Everyone is talking about bringing Tippett aboard (which I'm 100% for), but I think he signed an extension not to long ago.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 23 @ 4:15 PM ET
On Tippet. Are people speculating he's going to get canned this summer?
- Just5


Yes, because of how bad the team has been, combined with new ownership. Now Burke is being allowed to seek other employment...
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Mar 23 @ 4:15 PM ET
Yes, they can. Both sides agree to mutually terminate, Vinny goes on unconditional waivers or maybe he can refuse those with his NMC, and his deal gets ripped up. Of course that means Lecavalier would decide to walk away from about $8mm with no guarantee of getting another job
- Jsaquella


More like 10.5 mil. Bad risk for Vinny if you ask me.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Mar 23 @ 4:15 PM ET
The team is out of the playoffs. They better have roster spots!!!!

That was my complaint from training camp this season.

- mayorofangrytown


I will absolutely (frank)ing snap -- well, even more than usual -- if the roster that breaks camp in the fall looks a lot like this one

Just because they can't do everything doesn't mean they shouldn't do anything
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 23 @ 4:16 PM ET
It is worth it if they don't need the cap space to do anything. I don't see it being a big headache either.
- MJL


What if a coaching candidate doesn't want umberger/vinny on the roster?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 23 @ 4:16 PM ET
Didn't he extend, even knowing that they were tearing it down?
- AllInForFlyers


Yeah, 5-year extension in summer 2013. He's tight w/ Maloney, but Don's gonna can Tippett before he puts his own job at risk w/ the new ownership.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 23 @ 4:18 PM ET
Yes, because of how bad the team has been, combined with new ownership. Now Burke is being allowed to seek other employment...
- Jsaquella


Would love to bring him in in a big market environment. He's coached Dallas and Phoenix. It's possible he's ready for a bigger challenge in a tougher market
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Mar 23 @ 4:19 PM ET
What if a coaching candidate doesn't want umberger/vinny on the roster?
- Just5


To me, you'd have to be stone-cold insane to take the Flyers job over the summer knowing that the last guy got turfed with the same roster, especially if you are a good coach with other options

J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Mar 23 @ 4:20 PM ET
If he thinks the Flyers are desperate enough to use a buyout on him, why walk away from the cash?
- Jsaquella



I would be curious if Hextall will bring that up. Tell him there is no trade out there and also he won't be playing so most likely be a scratch. If they can agree to terminate the contract he has a better chance of finding a team since they won't have to give up any assets. Just some money.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 23 @ 4:20 PM ET
Yes, they can. Both sides agree to mutually terminate, Vinny goes on unconditional waivers or maybe he can refuse those with his NMC, and his deal gets ripped up. Of course that means Lecavalier would decide to walk away from about $8mm with no guarantee of getting another job
- Jsaquella


If he or his people let that happen they are all nuts.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 23 @ 4:21 PM ET
What if a coaching candidate doesn't want umberger/vinny on the roster?
- Just5


Oh well, deal with it. Every coach doesn't get his perfect ideal roster.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Mar 23 @ 4:23 PM ET
Yeah, 5-year extension in summer 2013. He's tight w/ Maloney, but Don's gonna can Tippett before he puts his own job at risk w/ the new ownership.
- Tomahawk


If Tippett gets the gate down there, that just goes to show you that coaches should absolutely expect some help from the GM

Because if it's all about wins and losses, then I'd be like, "Don't give me a poopty roster, tell me that there's a plan in place, but then give me the gears because I didn't turn your crap into the 1976 Canadiens"
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 23 @ 4:23 PM ET
More like 10.5 mil. Bad risk for Vinny if you ask me.
- 77rams


Yeah, I looked at the salary due, not bonuses, walking away from $10.5mm? Doubt it.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 23 @ 4:24 PM ET
Oh well, deal with it. Every coach doesn't get his perfect ideal roster.
- MJL


Interesting
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 23 @ 4:24 PM ET
If Tippett gets the gate down there, that just goes to show you that coaches should absolutely expect some help from the GM

Because if it's all about wins and losses, then I'd be like, "Don't give me a poopty roster, tell me that there's a plan in place, but then give me the gears because I didn't turn your crap into the 1976 Canadiens"

- AllInForFlyers


Big mistake for them was locking Mike Smith in... dude is like the Vinnie Prospal of goalies.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 23 @ 4:25 PM ET
If he or his people let that happen they are all nuts.
- Scoob


He is also getting the cash from his Lightning buyout, s he's not exactly hurting.

But yeah, why walk away from $10.5mm, when you can recoup 2/3rds of it with the same level of commitment on your own side of things?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 23 @ 4:26 PM ET
I would be curious if Hextall will bring that up. Tell him there is no trade out there and also he won't be playing so most likely be a scratch. If they can agree to terminate the contract he has a better chance of finding a team since they won't have to give up any assets. Just some money.
- J35Bacher


If that's the case, and I'm Vinny's agent, I ask them to buy him out. They can't send him home, but Vinny could become a real pain in the ass if they want to play hardball with him
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 23 @ 4:27 PM ET
Would love to bring him in in a big market environment. He's coached Dallas and Phoenix. It's possible he's ready for a bigger challenge in a tougher market
- Just5


He's a good coach and he's not married to a single style of play. He gets his teams to play good defense, but when he's had star players, they get enough room to thrive and produce, too.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Mar 23 @ 4:28 PM ET
More like 10.5 mil. Bad risk for Vinny if you ask me.
- 77rams

That's not even a risk... that's just throwing away money.
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Mar 23 @ 4:28 PM ET
Reports out of Finland that Ilya Kovalchuk wants to return to NHL by 2016-17.


http://www.tsn.ca/report-...yeing-nhl-return-1.238308

- Moose_15

Not only would I consider picking him up, I think we need to at least think about it depend on whereis in his ccareer but no comments, much like Jagr but much younger.
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