In all seriousness, they are pretty similar with the exception of the 800k for an extra year.
- jak521

The difference isn't huge, but an improvement nonetheless. So if you don't need to the cap space to do something, why not wait, and get a better situation?

lets bring richards back

Balancing the cap is important, but so is icing a team with a functional roster

Will next year be a transition year? Maybe. Probably, even

But in professional sports, you can't just waste seasons of people's careers, bring in coaches or fire coaches, and not even attempt to give them a functional roster

At the end of the day, transition year or not, people are held accountable for how these teams perform. It is patently unfair to saddle a coach with numerous players who can't contribute and then fire them when the results aren't there

The next coach of the Flyers deserves a little more help than the GMs gave Peter Laviolette and Craig Berube, and keeping a player who cannot contribute is not helpful

There are other moves that can be made for '16-17. Just because 15-16 likely won't be stellar is no reason to ensure that it's worse than it needs to be by keeping players who can't play
- AllInForFlyers

Even if it is a transitional year, you're still going to have young players in need of mentoring and development. Lecavalier has been an absolute pro about how he's been handled, but can you count on another year of him smiling through being pissed at how he's being used?

Not saying he would be a problem child, but it is possible he reaches a breaking point. He's got to feel a level of frustration and that could be a negative thing for a kid to see

Are you saying the flyers should go after him?
- benjichronic

He'd be on my short list, for sure.

Even if it is a transitional year, you're still going to have young players in need of mentoring and development. Lecavalier has been an absolute pro about how he's been handled, but can you count on another year of him smiling through being pissed at how he's being used?

Not saying he would be a problem child, but it is possible he reaches a breaking point. He's got to feel a level of frustration and that could be a negative thing for a kid to see
- Jsaquella

I'm pretty sure hextall is looking to move vinny but only so much he can be willing to give up to move him. Vinny has to understand that

I get it but this organization and the fan base has a history of blaming coaches for team failures and coddling any half decent player. Terry Murray, Ken Hitchcock, Peter Laviolette. All these guys were good coaches who the players quit on and management and fans sided with the players. Enough already. This situation is different because Berube is nowhere near as talent as those guys but fans were saying the exact same thing about them at the end. I remember that there were fans who actually sided with Mike Richards who was only in his 2nd year as a player when he called out Hitchcock.
- psuhockey

i don't need, want, demand or approve of coddling any player. in what way, shape or form has anyone asked for that here, especially of mason.

what i don't want or like is a coach singling a player out, undermining his performance, especially now late in the season when all that player has done is be the most consistent, valuable person on this poopty roster, played through injury, and get jerked around with said injuries, all the while having his mentor dismissed. it's stupid. and it's bullpoop. the flyers NEVER get out of their own way, especially when it comes to goaltending. i've always defended the organization, particularly with its penchant for hiring former players to be used at all levels of coaching, management, scouting and player development. i'm starting to really believe it's time for a biblical flood - wash them all out. it's drastic, would be unlikely and impossible to do quickly - but the sooner the better. clarke, holmgren, berube....all the way down. the one who i'm most willing to give a chance to is hextall. he just came back after being gone for a long time, and i believe he has a balanced, rationale plan on how to improve the team. but can he do that in the current environment? remains to be seen.

back to the main point - mason's performed, under challenging circumstances at times, and been nothing but a stand up guy. there's really no warrant for the criticism that's been lobbed his way, especially when other guys have gotten a free pass for most of the season. it's (frank)ing stupid.

I'm pretty sure hextall is looking to move vinny but only so much he can be willing to give up to move him. Vinny has to understand that
- 2Real

I'm sure he does. But he also knows that Hextall could buy him out and he'd be free to land elsewhere under a new deal. He's been very understanding, but does that understanding last when he's wasting another year of his career with a team that has made it clear they don't want him?

I'm pretty sure hextall is looking to move vinny but only so much he can be willing to give up to move him. Vinny has to understand that
- 2Real

Vinny needs to understand that he sucks dik and that most teams wouldn't touch him and his contract with a 100 ft pole. That's what he's gotta understand. He kind a boned himself signing that massive ass contract. Stupid Vinny.

i don't need, want, demand or approve of coddling any player. in what way, shape or form has anyone asked for that here, especially of mason.

what i don't want or like is a coach singling a player out, undermining his performance, especially now late in the season when all that player has done is be the most consistent, valuable person on this poopty roster, played through injury, and get jerked around with said injuries, all the while having his mentor dismissed. it's stupid. and it's bullpoop. the flyers NEVER get out of their own way, especially when it comes to goaltending. i've always defended the organization, particularly with its penchant for hiring former players to be used at all levels of coaching, management, scouting and player development. i'm starting to really believe it's time for a biblical flood - wash them all out. it's drastic, would be unlikely and impossible to do quickly - but the sooner the better. clarke, holmgren, berube....all the way down. the one who i'm most willing to give a chance to is hextall. he just came back after being gone for a long time, and i believe he has a balanced, rationale plan on how to improve the team. but can he do that in the current environment? remains to be seen.

back to the main point - mason's performed, under challenging circumstances at times, and been nothing but a stand up guy. there's really no warrant for the criticism that's been lobbed his way, especially when other guys have gotten a free pass for most of the season. it's (frank)ing stupid.
- hammarby31

Let him have it!

I'm pretty sure hextall is looking to move vinny but only so much he can be willing to give up to move him. Vinny has to understand that
- 2Real

Sometimes, teams have to bite the bullet with players. It's unfortunate -- it's not like I don't know what I'm saying. I'd love for the Flyers to be free-and-clear of Wheels, no penalties.

But it's not gonna shake out like that -- too many years left for a player who looks done.

So you just shake your head, say a few curse words, bite the bullet and pour whiskey on the bullet wound. Live to fight another day by signing better contracts in the future

Vinny needs to understand that he sucks dik and that most teams wouldn't touch him and his contract with a 100 ft pole. That's what he's gotta understand. He kind a boned himself signing that massive ass contract. Stupid Vinny.
- benjichronic

Lots of sex analogies in here

He'd be on my short list, for sure.
- Jsaquella

Correction, Burke has been given permission to seek a management job, not necessarily any open spot. Maybe the Flyers toss him an assistant GM title/goaltending coordinator gig, if interested.

Lots of sex analogies in here
- PhillySportsGuy

Arizona has given permission for Sean Burke to speak to other teams about a position.
- Jsaquella

(frank) him.......hes just a tick below beezer on my Hate-o-meter

Vinny needs to understand that he sucks dik and that most teams wouldn't touch him and his contract with a 100 ft pole. That's what he's gotta understand. He kind a boned himself signing that massive ass contract. Stupid Vinny.
- benjichronic

The catch 22 for Vinny is that he could give himself the opportunity to play for another team via mutual agreement to terminate his contract with the Flyers, but if he does that and nobody's interested (even at a much lower salary), then he's out both a job AND the money.

Even if it is a transitional year, you're still going to have young players in need of mentoring and development. Lecavalier has been an absolute pro about how he's been handled, but can you count on another year of him smiling through being pissed at how he's being used?

Not saying he would be a problem child, but it is possible he reaches a breaking point. He's got to feel a level of frustration and that could be a negative thing for a kid to see
- Jsaquella

Perhaps the new coach would be able to sit down with him and figure out a role that he'd be amenable to which would give him an opportunity to be as productive as he can.

Now that may be handing out the end of period summaries in the Cote suite, but then again, a new voice behind the bench, a new system, new direction, new players, new lines...you never know.

I can't believe if they are stuck with his contract that they can't find a more useful way to utilize his abilities and experience instead of it possibly becoming a distraction.

The catch 22 for Vinny is that he could give himself the opportunity to play for another team via mutual agreement to terminate his contract with the Flyers, but if he does that and nobody's interested (even at a much lower salary), then he's out both a job AND the money.
- BulliesPhan87

Can that honestly be done, where they could mutually terminate with no penalties?

I know it's been done, but I have never seen if there are any conditions or penalties

Perhaps the new coach would be able to sit down with him and figure out a role that he'd be amenable to which would give him an opportunity to be as productive as he can.

Now that may be handing out the end of period summaries in the Cote suite, but then again, a new voice behind the bench, a new system, new direction, new players, new lines...you never know.

I can't believe if they are stuck with his contract that they can't find a more useful way to utilize his abilities and experience instead of it possibly becoming a distraction.
- 77rams

That's the hope, but it's certainly no guarantee. The buyout difference is not enough that it would deter me if I felt there would be potential issues with a malcontented Vinny.

Correction, Burke has been given permission to seek a management job, not necessarily any open spot. Maybe the Flyers toss him an assistant GM title/goaltending coordinator gig, if interested.
- Jsaquella

I don't even know what in the hell I want them to do now, with that slot

Better to give Berube the shiv and evaluate every other option and what that new hire might want, maybe

That's the hope, but it's certainly no guarantee. The buyout difference is not enough that it would deter me if I felt there would be potential issues with a malcontented Vinny.
- Jsaquella

Yep

Can that honestly be done, where they could mutually terminate with no penalties?

I know it's been done, but I have never seen if there are any conditions or penalties
- AllInForFlyers

Yes, they can. Both sides agree to mutually terminate, Vinny goes on unconditional waivers or maybe he can refuse those with his NMC, and his deal gets ripped up. Of course that means Lecavalier would decide to walk away from about $8mm with no guarantee of getting another job

I think it's safe to say that's what everyone is hoping for lol I have a good feeling though. I really do. Hextall has only one questionable move in my mind (hartnell trade), he really impressed my at the TDL by gutting Chicago and tampa, I think hexy will make some noise this summer, and hopefully he starts bringing up some of the youth. (assuming we have the roster spots)
- benjichronic

The team is out of the playoffs. They better have roster spots!!!!

That was my complaint from training camp this season.

I'll illustrate Feanor's points with buyout totals. Which buyout figures do you think looks better?

2015-16 2.889
2016-17 2.889
2017-18 2.389
2018-19 0.889
2019-20 0.889
2020-21 0.889

Or

2015-2016 4.5 Headache. NMC.
2016-17 2.917
2017-18 2.417
2018-19 0.917
2019-20 0.917
- MJL

Edited.

It's little difference. Buying him out this summer only an extra year of dead cap around 880k. That's peanuts and not worth the headache of keeping him around if a coach had no use for him

Yes, they can. Both sides agree to mutually terminate, Vinny goes on unconditional waivers or maybe he can refuse those with his NMC, and his deal gets ripped up. Of course that means Lecavalier would decide to walk away from about $8mm with no guarantee of getting another job
- Jsaquella

If he still truly thinks he can play, he'd take the risk, right?

But somehow, I have a feeling that Wheels knows the truth

Can that honestly be done, where they could mutually terminate with no penalties?

I know it's been done, but I have never seen if there are any conditions or penalties
- AllInForFlyers

It absolutely can be done. Lecavalier has to be willing to walk away from the money, and take the risk that Bullies described. A likely scenario for him would be having to go to camp on a tryout basis.