I would not mind if this team took a look at Sundqvist. He offers size up front which is something we seriously lack. As far as last night, win is a win. Fist period was bad as it gets though. They didn't skate for two days, wut? No wonder they had no legs at first.
- powerhouse

I'm guilty of oversimplifying. Hockey is really not that complicated, especially for forwards. I don't care that he's used to a larger rink. I would give Sundqvist a chance. Especially if he's just taking Adam's place, and he's already shown he's not completely lost in the NHL (preseason).

Winnik played really well last night and I would love to see another big body in the mix in the bottom 6.

I'm guilty of oversimplifying. Hockey is really not that complicated, especially for forwards. I don't care that he's used to a larger rink. I would give Sundqvist a chance. Especially if he's just taking Adam's place, and he's already shown he's not completely lost in the NHL (preseason).

Winnik played really well last night and I would love to see another big body in the mix in the bottom 6.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I seem to agree with you a lot lately and am once again 100% in agreement with you on this.

Hi double post site is crazy today.

Just saw the highlights, basically looked like a home game for the Pens, gotta move PHX to SEA!

A win is a win but that game never should have been close. They were missing Boedker and someone else.

I can't wait for all the Sutter defenders to come in and bang the drum because he scored...the only reason he got credit for the goal, is because it hit him last...

I wouldn't mind seeing someone else brought up, they know there is no comp right now....Adams is no threat, and its good to see the staff has no desire to play him. I also think that maybe HCMJ practices are a bit hard? I dunno, ive seen several reports where they say they are really intense and he pushes them hard. I am all for that, but going into the playoffs, I don' t want to see dead legs out there. I didn't get to see the game, but sounded like MAF played really well and they only had 5 DMen? They really need to get DP back up here.

I can't wait for all the Sutter defenders to come in and bang the drum because he scored...the only reason he got credit for the goal, is because it hit him last...

I wouldn't mind seeing someone else brought up, they know there is no comp right now....Adams is no threat, and its good to see the staff has no desire to play him. I also think that maybe HCMJ practices are a bit hard? I dunno, ive seen several reports where they say they are really intense and he pushes them hard. I am all for that, but going into the playoffs, I don' t want to see dead legs out there. I didn't get to see the game, but sounded like MAF played really well and they only had 5 DMen? They really need to get DP back up here.
- Thorny

I don't love Sutter's 3.3 mil per cap hit... I don't love that he's a "soft player"... bottom line is he has 16 goals and 28 points... someone was comparing Chigago's depth to Pittsburgh's yesterday... Its better... but its close Vermette has 34 points ... Sutter 28...
If he made 2 mil per the whinning would be less but considering how much takes place around here about Craig Adams and Rob Scuderi ... I'm not sure

I don't love Sutter's 3.3 mil per cap hit... I don't love that he's a "soft player"... bottom line is he has 16 goals and 28 points... someone was comparing Chigago's depth to Pittsburgh's yesterday... Its better... but its close Vermette has 34 points ... Sutter 28...
If he made 2 mil per the whinning would be less but considering how much takes place around here about Craig Adams and Rob Scuderi ... I'm not sure
- Brianandr1

We have been over the Sutter thing a million times, either you love him or hate him. I was on the love side to start the season, but have slowly turned towards the hate side...he is def over priced for sure. If he was around 2-2.5 I think it would be ok to be honest, and you would hear a lot less complaints.

I don't love Sutter's 3.3 mil per cap hit... I don't love that he's a "soft player"... bottom line is he has 16 goals and 28 points... someone was comparing Chigago's depth to Pittsburgh's yesterday... Its better... but its close Vermette has 34 points ... Sutter 28...
If he made 2 mil per the whinning would be less but considering how much takes place around here about Craig Adams and Rob Scuderi ... I'm not sure
- Brianandr1

Not really reasonable to overlook a player's salary. By that measure, Mike Richards is a fine depth forward.

NHL product is a$$ right now. Interference, clubbing, clutching, grabbing, and whatnot are back more than ever. Its a shame. We now are back to teams trying to win games 2-1. And spare me the "You don't know the game that well. That 1-0 game was amazing" argument. I know completely what I am looking at.

The game is unwatchable right now. Perhaps another lockout is needed so the league can "reboot".

NHL product is a$$ right now. Interference, clubbing, clutching, grabbing, and whatnot are back more than ever. Its a shame. We now are back to teams trying to win games 2-1. And spare me the "You don't know the game that well. That 1-0 game was amazing" argument. I know completely what I am looking at.

The game is unwatchable right now. Perhaps another lockout is needed so the league can "reboot".
- 87_71_11_29

Watchable for me, I'm cool with it. I've enjoyed the last 4 or 5 games.

Just a list of centers (some of these guys have also seen time on the wing - I left out guys like Grabovski, Laich and Bailey who would have qualified, but have played very little center this year) that make more money than Sutter, but have scored fewer goals than Sutter so far this season:

Stastny, Paul STL C UFA 7,500,000 - 12 goals, 28 assists
O'Reilly, Ryan COL C UFA 6,200,000 - 13 goals, 31 assists
Eller, Lars MON C UFA 4,750,000 - 11 goals, 11 assists
Umberger, RJ PHI C UFA 4,500,000 - 9 goals, 6 assists
Weiss, Stephen DET C UFA 4,000,000 - 7 goals, 12 assists
Cullen, Matt NAS C UFA 4,000,000 - 7 goals, 17 assists
Anisimov, Artem CLB C UFA 4,000,000 - 6 goals, 14 assists
Legwand, David OTT C UFA 3,500,000 - 9 goals, 13 assists
Berglund, Patrik STL C UFA 3,700,000 - 8 goals, 12 assists
Desharnais, David MON C UFA 3,500,000 - 12 goals, 30 assists
Nielsen, Frans NYI C UFA 3,500,000 - 12 goals, 28 assists
Hanzal, Martin PHO C UFA 3,500,000 - 8 goals, 16 assists
Gagner, Sam PHO C UFA 3,400,000 - 12 goals, 22 assists

Just a list of centers (some of these guys have also seen time on the wing - I left out guys like Grabovski, Laich and Bailey who would have qualified, but have played very little center this year) that make more money than Sutter, but have scored fewer goals than Sutter so far this season:

Stastny, Paul STL C UFA 7,500,000 - 12 goals, 28 assists
O'Reilly, Ryan COL C UFA 6,200,000 - 13 goals, 31 assists
Eller, Lars MON C UFA 4,750,000 - 11 goals, 11 assists
Umberger, RJ PHI C UFA 4,500,000 - 9 goals, 6 assists
Weiss, Stephen DET C UFA 4,000,000 - 7 goals, 12 assists
Cullen, Matt NAS C UFA 4,000,000 - 7 goals, 17 assists
Anisimov, Artem CLB C UFA 4,000,000 - 6 goals, 14 assists
Legwand, David OTT C UFA 3,500,000 - 9 goals, 13 assists
Berglund, Patrik STL C UFA 3,700,000 - 8 goals, 12 assists
Desharnais, David MON C UFA 3,500,000 - 12 goals, 30 assists
Nielsen, Frans NYI C UFA 3,500,000 - 12 goals, 28 assists
Hanzal, Martin PHO C UFA 3,500,000 - 8 goals, 16 assists
Gagner, Sam PHO C UFA 3,400,000 - 12 goals, 22 assists
- hardnosed

I was just thinking after reading that comment that is like to see a list of centers making more than Sutter.
You're one of the few voices of reason I see around here. Everyone needs to take a look at what's out there and what people are getting paid, everyone on here thinks because there are players that are bargains that everyone should be.
Sutter is paid what he is worth, regardless of what RW says.

The only player we are overpaying is Scuds, and that's a team thing because we are so deep in defense. I'd bet Scuds easily pulls in what he's making if he's a free agent.

Just a list of centers (some of these guys have also seen time on the wing - I left out guys like Grabovski, Laich and Bailey who would have qualified, but have played very little center this year) that make more money than Sutter, but have scored fewer goals than Sutter so far this season:

Stastny, Paul STL C UFA 7,500,000 - 12 goals, 28 assists
O'Reilly, Ryan COL C UFA 6,200,000 - 13 goals, 31 assists
Eller, Lars MON C UFA 4,750,000 - 11 goals, 11 assists
Umberger, RJ PHI C UFA 4,500,000 - 9 goals, 6 assists
Weiss, Stephen DET C UFA 4,000,000 - 7 goals, 12 assists
Cullen, Matt NAS C UFA 4,000,000 - 7 goals, 17 assists
Anisimov, Artem CLB C UFA 4,000,000 - 6 goals, 14 assists
Legwand, David OTT C UFA 3,500,000 - 9 goals, 13 assists
Berglund, Patrik STL C UFA 3,700,000 - 8 goals, 12 assists
Desharnais, David MON C UFA 3,500,000 - 12 goals, 30 assists
Nielsen, Frans NYI C UFA 3,500,000 - 12 goals, 28 assists
Hanzal, Martin PHO C UFA 3,500,000 - 8 goals, 16 assists
Gagner, Sam PHO C UFA 3,400,000 - 12 goals, 22 assists
- hardnosed

Haha, plenty of players on this list haven't even played a full season. And some of the cap hits aren't even right. Did you just make them up? Betcha if you did points/60 against cap hit Sutter would be one of the worst 3Cs in the league.

Hey guys, for those that watch the AHL teams a fair bit, I got a question on the 3v3 overtimes.

When a penalty occurs, does it just become a 3v2, or a 4v3? For some reason my brother thinks they add on a player for a 4v3, my dad says 3v2, and I don't know for certain lol.

Hey guys, for those that watch the AHL teams a fair bit, I got a question on the 3v3 overtimes.

When a penalty occurs, does it just become a 3v2, or a 4v3? For some reason my brother thinks they add on a player for a 4v3, my dad says 3v2, and I don't know for certain lol.
- Guile

4v3

Just a list of centers (some of these guys have also seen time on the wing - I left out guys like Grabovski, Laich and Bailey who would have qualified, but have played very little center this year) that make more money than Sutter, but have scored fewer goals than Sutter so far this season:

Stastny, Paul STL C UFA 7,500,000 - 12 goals, 28 assists
O'Reilly, Ryan COL C UFA 6,200,000 - 13 goals, 31 assists
Eller, Lars MON C UFA 4,750,000 - 11 goals, 11 assists
Umberger, RJ PHI C UFA 4,500,000 - 9 goals, 6 assists
Weiss, Stephen DET C UFA 4,000,000 - 7 goals, 12 assists
Cullen, Matt NAS C UFA 4,000,000 - 7 goals, 17 assists
Anisimov, Artem CLB C UFA 4,000,000 - 6 goals, 14 assists
Legwand, David OTT C UFA 3,500,000 - 9 goals, 13 assists
Berglund, Patrik STL C UFA 3,700,000 - 8 goals, 12 assists
Desharnais, David MON C UFA 3,500,000 - 12 goals, 30 assists
Nielsen, Frans NYI C UFA 3,500,000 - 12 goals, 28 assists
Hanzal, Martin PHO C UFA 3,500,000 - 8 goals, 16 assists
Gagner, Sam PHO C UFA 3,400,000 - 12 goals, 22 assists
- hardnosed

If you're looking at it only from a pts perspective then yeah Sutter wins. However controlling the play, driving possession, forcing offensive zone starts, I don't think Sutter compares to a lot of these guys. How often are you watching a break out just die with Sutter, or his line just chasing the defensive play?

Id take ROR, Weiss, Anismov, Berglund, Hanzel over Sutter any day of the week.

Kyle Baun is a college FA RW thats 6'2 211 and has good hands at Colgate. 18 teams are interested in him, any idea if Pens are in? I really think its worth a gamble due to lack of depth and injuries.

Kyle Baun is a college FA RW thats 6'2 211 and has good hands at Colgate. 18 teams are interested in him, any idea if Pens are in? I really think its worth a gamble due to lack of depth and injuries.
- hipcheck_goalie

Casey Bailey was the guy I really wanted the pens to jump in on. Then I learned that these guys are getting signed right now and the Pens have zero cap space. So, not going to happen.

Any word on whether Pouliot was recalled? Haven't heard much about Ehrhoff's situation.

Casey Bailey was the guy I really wanted the pens to jump in on. Then I learned that these guys are getting signed right now and the Pens have zero cap space. So, not going to happen.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Couldn't they sign them to a 2 way contract and keep then in WB until the playoffs?

Sutter is listed as #83 in the league in pts for his position. That would be fine if he was a shut down C, but he's not. He's just a plug.

Couldn't they sign them to a 2 way contract and keep then in WB until the playoffs?
- sammy87

No idea. Sounds possible. I knew in the case of Bailey, he was insistent on playing this year. I don't think we would throw a college FA right into the playoffs.

If I was GM, and saw the horrible depth at forward, I sure as hell would be getting creative on anyway possible to gain depth.

Haha, plenty of players on this list haven't even played a full season.
- jfkst1

I omitted guys who hadn't played a majority of the season (Jordan Staal). Other guys who played the majority of games so far but who weren't on pace to exceed Sutter's goal total were included (Weiss).

And some of the cap hits aren't even right. Did you just make them up? Betcha if you did points/60 against cap hit Sutter would be one of the worst 3Cs in the league.
- jfkst1

Where did I say they were cap hits? They're salaries. From Cap Central, whose cap totals per team aren't perfect, but whose salaries per player are accurate from what I've seen.

And a lot of the centers on that list are playing with much better wingers, and in far fewer defensive situations, and they're getting significantly more power play time.

Sutter is listed as #83 in the league in pts for his position. That would be fine if he was a shut down C, but he's not. He's just a plug.
- sammy87

Nobody gets points on his line unless he scores - points and assists aren't worth measuring with him.

Tied (with Zetterberg, Chris Kelly and Jori Lehtera among others) for 16th in the league in GA/60 among centers with more than 700 minutes of ice time.

Sutter is playing a lot better right now than he was in January. Not sure why folks can't embrace that instead of ignoring it.

Nobody gets points on his line unless he scores - points and assists aren't worth measuring with him.

Tied (with Zetterberg, Chris Kelly and Jori Lehtera among others) for 16th in the league in GA/60 among centers with more than 700 minutes of ice time.

Sutter is playing a lot better right now than he was in January. Not why folks can't embrace that instead of ignoring it.
- hardnosed

Because the masses are fickle Hardnosed. He is also seeing less TOI which fits in more with his play but people just like to kick the same can. Imagine if it was Richards & his salary???