Is he seriously bringing up that stupid Yakupov/Murray topic again?
- ChetManly

oh yeah wasted Yak Pick, Hall for an elite Dman, armchair GM in full force

wow.. nice reply, "bro".

I guess picks bring nothing of value in return then, right? And I guess trading one player, bring back multiple, is not a good method to use in the NHL? I think that the majority of teams will disagree with you there. But hey.. you're the expert, "Mr. GM"... I'll take your advice and knowledge wholeheartedly.


- WarriorHockey21

Sure worked for Florida trading away back to back 1sts in the early 2000's right?

wow.. nice reply, "bro".

I guess picks bring nothing of value in return then, right? And I guess trading one player, bring back multiple, is not a good method to use in the NHL? I think that the majority of teams will disagree with you there. But hey.. you're the expert, "Mr. GM"... I'll take your advice and knowledge wholeheartedly.


- WarriorHockey21

Straight lottery, equal odds for the bottom 14 teams. These teams tanking is embarrassing for the sport.
- Jordo

Yes! This.

Try and make the playoffs, if you don't, you have just a good a chance as
getting number one as anyone else who missed the playoffs.

cf: Philadelphia 76ers.

Owner: Josh Harris
GM: Sam Hinkie -- architect of a triple-tank

Josh Harris also owns the New Jersey Devils.

Why is it difficult to believe ownership wouldn't condone tanking for future prospects?
- Moose_15

If ownership wants to fail then so be it. Let them lose fans. But as a player, I just can't see myself going out on the ice and purposely lose the game. I want to win. Nobody likes losing.

And nobody in the league has/had interest in Hall, NH, or those picks? If your GM is looking at the small picture, and is just looking at the draft, that's part of the problem. You can pick a centerpiece to build your team around, and float others in trades. If you're planning on completely building a team out of the draft.. .like 100% as they seem to be doing.. it's going to be another 5 years and 5 more #1 picks if were even talking about Edm being a threat in the post season. Hall alone could have brought in a defenseman package.. the pick wasted on Yak could have brought something more to the team.

It's perpetual stupidity that is doing the Oilers in... There's ways to begin building a team.. so far, they aren't doing it.
- WarriorHockey21

They have the pieces to fill their needs by trading high picks at the draft should they get the return they require. The offers weren't there at the TDL, they did the right thing. And they are still winning some games! Not like...

oh yeah wasted Yak Pick, Hall for an elite Dman, armchair GM in full force
- DDM-Coga

4th and 45, 3 seconds left on the clock. Should I pass it? Nah, I'll run it in myself.

If ownership wants to fail then so be it. Let them lose fans. But as a player, I just can't see myself going out on the ice and purposely lose the game. I want to win. Nobody likes losing.
- Streit2ThePoint

this response was pretty.....straight to the point

So rewarding a team that tanks is on, but rewarding a team that played hard all season and just missed the playoffs is stupid....
- jl639s

ya.. this could bring great some great disparity...imagine if like the kings land Mcdavid ? or even the Sharks...

I dont think it should happen... How about something more in between

Like the bottom 8 has acess to the very first pick with some odds

8 5%
7 8%
6 10%
5 12%
4 14 %
3 16 %
2 17%
1 18%

Much less "fun" to tank now ?

Examples please?
- Oilfan19

Trading Hall for anything less than a stud defender is a handicap move. Even then, we'd still create a massive hole.does he have a link to all the offers that were turned down?

And the yaks argument is; well he's not as good as you hoped yet, so why didn't you trade him for other pieces?

Couldn't the same be said for every single gm that has missed on countless players every single draft in every single year?

Hindsight is such a great tool for debating

If ownership wants to fail then so be it. Let them lose fans. But as a player, I just can't see myself going out on the ice and purposely lose the game. I want to win. Nobody likes losing.
- Streit2ThePoint

You dismantle like Buffalo.

Trading Hall for anything less than a stud defender is a handicap move. Even then, we'd still create a massive hole.

And the yaks argument is; well he's not as good as you hoped yet, so why didn't you trade him for other pieces?

Couldn't the same be said for every single gm that has missed on countless players every single draft in every single year?

Hindsight is such a great tool for debating
- Ihateallofu

Peeshaw! The Tyler Seguin trade totally worked!

Trading Hall for anything less than a stud defender is a handicap move. Even then, we'd still create a massive hole.

And the yaks argument is; well he's not as good as you hoped yet, so why didn't you trade him for other pieces?

Couldn't the same be said for every single gm that has missed on countless players every single draft in every single year?

Hindsight is such a great tool for debating
- Ihateallofu

One could argue reasonably that with Hall in the lineup since Nelson took over they would quite possibly be nowhere near Macdavid contention.

If no team should be allowed the first pick twice in 5 years then maybe NTC and NMC should be illegal.

Bunch of mouth breathers in here I see.

this response was pretty.....straight to the point
- ChetManly

Ownership might like losing for the sole purpose of getting a good draft pick. But what I'm saying if I was a player I'd be pissed that my team is losing game after game and ownership is doing nothing about it. Yeah they get paid millions but at the end of the day they want to win.

Chris Phillips says gfy.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

No he doesnt a top 4 defenseman with over a 1000 games

You dismantle like Buffalo.

- VanHockeyGuy

So everybody in the Buffalo organization is ok with tanking?

Peeshaw! The Tyler Seguin trade totally worked!
- glove_was_stuck

Trading young franchise level players for multiple lesser pieces always does.
How did you not know that?

The best solution I've ever seen personally.

http://www.sloansportsconference.com/?p=5496
- Dangles13

wow that is stupid

Examples please?
- Oilfan19

Examples of trades bringing back needed assets, and met broth team's needs?

Coburn - Gudas, 1st, 3rd
Yandle, 4th - Moore, Duclair, 1st, 2nd
Kane, Bogosian - Myers, Stafford, 1st
Vanek, 5th - Collberg, 2nd
Luongo - Markstrom, Matthias
Miller, Ott - Halak, Stewart, 1st, 3rd
Vanek - Moulson, 1st, 2nd
Zidlicky - Foster, Palmeiri, 2nd, 3rd
Carter - Johnson, 1st
Wideman - Hasuwirth, 3rd
Shattenkirk, Stewart, 2nd - Johnson, McClement, 1st
Beauchemin - Lupul, Gardiner
Kovalchuk - Oduya, Bergfors, Cormier, 1st
Phaneuf, Sjostrom - Stajan, Hagman, White


Those are just some of the more major ones over the past couple years. I could go on, but I somehow have the feeling you'll just discredit any and all information I provide anyway... so take it however you want...

It isn't about that. You should penalize bad teams because some teams tank. If a team is legit bad, how does it help if they are not getting a good draft pick? Also how does it help bad teams if good teams who just fall shy of they playoffs are getting the better players. Basically the Bottom half of the NHL will be stuck there.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

That theory could be true, if the 17th place team won the lottery every year. That won't happen. Its an even chance for all teams. Sometimes a team ranging in 28th-30th gets it, sometimes its 17th-20th, others it falls in the middle. It isn't punishing anyone. It is giving everyone who misses the playoffs equal chance to get better and not rewarding the bottom 3 teams for being even more terrible on purpose. (not that every team that low tanks, but it certainly has happened and could be happening currently)

Ownership might like losing for the sole purpose of getting a good draft pick. But what I'm saying if I was a player I'd be pissed that my team is losing game after game and ownership is doing nothing about it. Yeah they get paid millions but at the end of the day they want to win.
- Streit2ThePoint

If they don't want to win, then they are bad a teammate. I agree and I tried to argue that point on the first page. The players will go out there to play, doesn't mean its the players fault isn't a strong team.

Whether they are actually tanking or not, I'd love it if it was a total surprise and teams such as Dallas, Philly, New Jersey, Columbus or Carolina filled the top 3 pick spots and see/hear Buff, EDM, and ARZ fans reactions and whining on how their "tanking" didn't work

If no team should be allowed the first pick twice in 5 years then maybe NTC and NMC should be illegal.

Bunch of mouth breathers in here I see.
- ystoil

Really good post.
Everyone is so concerned about a level playing field, let's get rid of ntc's then!
The oilers are at or near the top of most players lists apparently.
We don't even have the option to make a move when said big name might be available.

Examples of trades bringing back needed assets, and met broth team's needs?

Coburn - Gudas, 1st, 3rd
Yandle, 4th - Moore, Duclair, 1st, 2nd
Kane, Bogosian - Myers, Stafford, 1st
Vanek, 5th - Collberg, 2nd
Luongo - Markstrom, Matthias
Miller, Ott - Halak, Stewart, 1st, 3rd
Vanek - Moulson, 1st, 2nd
Zidlicky - Foster, Palmeiri, 2nd, 3rd
Carter - Johnson, 1st
Wideman - Hasuwirth, 3rd
Shattenkirk, Stewart, 2nd - Johnson, McClement, 1st
Beauchemin - Lupul, Gardiner
Kovalchuk - Oduya, Bergfors, Cormier, 1st
Phaneuf, Sjostrom - Stajan, Hagman, White


Those are just some of the more major ones over the past couple years. I could go on, but I somehow have the feeling you'll just discredit any and all information I provide anyway... so take it however you want...
- WarriorHockey21

Isnt that intention in all trades...real cutting edge stuff with this one