Flyers would never get D man. Always forwards. Defense is for losers.
- glove_was_stuck

Flyers would just extend Phaneuf's contract another year and raise it to $10 mil/season

Flyers would just extend Phaneuf's contract another year and raise it to $10 mil/season
- Streit2ThePoint

Could I interest you in Matt Bartkowski? He's a Pittsburgh native!

Could I interest you in Matt Bartkowski? He's a Pittsburgh native!
- glove_was_stuck

YES! He can give the Flyers inside information against their hated rival.

I think that's too extreme in the other direction.

I'm shooting from the hip here, but...

you take the 14 teams that miss the playoffs, take the two median teams and they receive the highest (an equal) percentage of getting the first overall pick. You can have a sliding scale of percentages as you go up to the top 6/bottom 6 teams that surround them. So the team with the fewest points and the team with the most points (out of non-playoff teams) will have the smallest chance of picking first overall. that percentage will increase as your get closer to the median teams.

So, for this season:

CGY
OTT
SJS
FLA
COL
DAL
PHI
NJD
CBJ
CAR
TOR
EDM
ARI
BUF

The bolded teams, PHI & NJD, have the highest chance of picking 1st. As you move in either direction of those teams, your chances gradually decrease. So you're (likely) not giving a team that just misses the playoffs a top pick, nor are you rewarding an embarrassment like Buffalo for being historically bad.

So DAL & CBJ would share the next highest percentage of the 1st pick. Followed by COL & CAR, and so on.
- eichiefs9

all these silly scenarios assumes every bad team must be trying to be bad. theyre all tanking and no way theyd rather be better. punish the bad teams.

as an islander fan, as if you were always tanking. your team was just flat out brutal for a long time. you tanked last year? yeah no.

the only thing ive really taken away from this thread is that everyone is incredibly biased. Poster A's proposed scenarios is almost always the best scenario for whatever position their favourite team is in.

I suppose There are at least some of those that have teams in playoff spots, that can at least see the ridiculousness of giving a team at the top of the league a shot at connor mcdavid.
there is that abit. hurray for rationality!!

That could reward a team who just misses the playoffs though.... That sounds pretty stupid.
- Guile

Id much rather that then watch teams tank..

Right but the entire point of the conversation is to try and find a fair way to discourage teams from tanking.

Bad teams shouldn't be rewarded for intentionally being bad in order to get a player they want. Teams that try to ice an actual NHL roster and are just not very good, for whatever reason, should be rewarded. Teams that have a lineup that you look at and go "wow I have literally never even heard of this person" ten times should not be rewarded.
- eichiefs9

I find your viewpoint pretty hypocritical, especially since your team as constructed, is built (and succeeding) on the premise of finishing last and getting the #1 pick.

Islanders finished the 2009 season with 26 wins and 61 pts and went on to draft Tavares with the #1 pick.....this years version of the Sabres will only be slightly worse than that 2009 team as Buffalo will likely finish with around 23 wins and maybe 54 or so pts.

So please explain to me and everyone else who is a fan of a "tanking" team, why the rules should be changed now, after teams such as the Islanders, TB, Chicago or STL have already benefited from that system?

it kind of sounds like you're excusing Edmonton's poor overall drafting record. the Oilers have virtually nothing to show for rounds 2-7 in the last decade. it seems like that has been their biggest problem. yes, Edmonton is an undesirable location. join the friggin' club. we (Canadian fans) are all in the same boat unless we want to pay $37 million to David Clarkson. even the teams that tanked and then won Cups, their rosters are littered with quality players drafted outside the first round.

drafting and extracting value from your picks. that's the only way to do it.
- DoubleDown

The is a great post ,Think any choice F/A,s land in ottawa,nope .But we have a 5th and 6th round pick in our top 6 right now ,Stone and Hoffman .EDM needs to learn how to manufacture players ,and stop the whining

....
- SpoiledByOil

Shocked that a team who has arguably the worst management, worst pro development, worst drafting would be against a system that promotes equality and stops rewarding failure

I think that's too extreme in the other direction.

I'm shooting from the hip here, but...

you take the 14 teams that miss the playoffs, take the two median teams and they receive the highest (an equal) percentage of getting the first overall pick. You can have a sliding scale of percentages as you go up to the top 6/bottom 6 teams that surround them. So the team with the fewest points and the team with the most points (out of non-playoff teams) will have the smallest chance of picking first overall. that percentage will increase as your get closer to the median teams.

So, for this season:

CGY
OTT
SJS
FLA
COL
DAL
PHI
NJD
CBJ
CAR
TOR
EDM
ARI
BUF

The bolded teams, PHI & NJD, have the highest chance of picking 1st. As you move in either direction of those teams, your chances gradually decrease. So you're (likely) not giving a team that just misses the playoffs a top pick, nor are you rewarding an embarrassment like Buffalo for being historically bad.

So DAL & CBJ would share the next highest percentage of the 1st pick. Followed by COL & CAR, and so on.
- eichiefs9

I know it's extreme. I just don't see the point of rewarding failure. If a owner decides hey I am going to stop spending money for the next 4-5 years, I am going to bottom out, hire horrible people and let my team wrote. Then rebuild with cheap young players then he is rewarded for it. Make no sense to me that a team can sell off all assets and then get rewarded for it whereas the ones who run it well, draft well, develop well, scout well, spend well ultimately re not rewarded

The is a great post ,Think any choice F/A,s land in ottawa,nope .But we have a 5th and 6th round pick in our top 6 right now ,Stone and Hoffman .EDM needs to learn how to manufacture players ,and stop the whining

- top shelf 15

Ahhh they're whining now by stating facts
Good post.


So give them the opportunity to develop those players drafted later.
They have some. But can't make moves for big names.
So they wait.

U need to see context and use your brain, instead of spouting easy simple quips

Shocked that a team who has arguably the worst management, worst pro development, worst drafting would be against a system that promotes equality and stops rewarding failure
- willey101

Worst management how? kevin lowe? yeah he doesn't make the decisions anymore
MacT has never picked first. But u knew that right? this is only his second full season aas gm.
U knew there was a new scouting regime too right?. these later rounds draft picks everyone talks about have no bearing on this rebuild.
the guys taken since the change in later picks like landers, marincins, yakimovs etc are developing well. But whatever! besides the point I guess. blanket statements for all!!

U don't get lucky on price, ur a middle of the pack team at best or a bottom feeder at worst. and singing a different tune.
im sure youre super upset about galchenyuk 3rd overall recently. totally unfair to reward bad teams right?

every post is the same just different preferences regarding where their team happens to be in the standings currently

Edmonton is not purposefully tanking. They're just bad.

Ek says he wants to spread around the star players... just what star players does Edmonton have again? What star players were there in the drafts they picked first? You could argue for Taylor Hall. Perhaps Tyler Seguin. Yak, Nuge, Murray, Landeskog... hardly a player anyone, regardless of the city they are in, is going to come out just to see.

The system is working. Yes, Edmonton received 3 #1 overall picks. They picked the best player available. None of them are stars. The draft classes were weak. There were no Tavares, Mackinnon, Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid, Ekblad, etc. available to them. So we're supposed to say "you had your chance... even though you were screwed over by timing so that when you finally hit rock bottom after 2 decades of futility you were denied any sort of impact player, we're going to deny you the chance to improve your team. Let's let someone else who has a better team than you draft the best player. Sucks to be you. You should have pulled a Buffalo and strategically tanked when a generational player was available instead of fighting tooth and nail to succeed for years until finally falling to the basement naturally."

I'm appalled at what Buffalo is doing to their fans and the sport. But don't lump Edmonton in with them. Edmonton actively tries to improve their team every year. Good players do not want to go to Edmonton so they can't trade for them (rare is the good player without a NTC) or get them in via free agency. The only hope they have to get a good player is through the draft and you want to take it away from them because there were no really good players in the years they happened to draft first.

Also, what's with the snipe about Edmonton not drafting a defenceman? They drafted Oscar Klefbom in the first round in Hall's draft year, and Darnell Nurse in the first round 2 years ago. 2 of the last 6 first round picks of the Oilers were defencemen. Given a team dresses 12 forwards and 6 defenceman, their ratio of defencemen to forwards is spot on.

all these silly scenarios assumes every bad team must be trying to be bad. theyre all tanking and no way theyd rather be better. punish the bad teams.

as an islander fan, as if you were always tanking. your team was just flat out brutal for a long time. you tanked last year? yeah no.

the only thing ive really taken away from this thread is that everyone is incredibly biased. Poster A's proposed scenarios is almost always the best scenario for whatever position their favourite team is in.

I suppose There are at least some of those that have teams in playoff spots, that can at least see the ridiculousness of giving a team at the top of the league a shot at connor mcdavid.
there is that abit. hurray for rationality!!
- Ihateallofu

I think people look at the now not the past too far back. So what appears to be a cycle if you like is a team goes bad for whatever reason, hangs around the bottom to pick up quality prospects then hopefully become competitive within a 3-6 year period. If 1 team continually picks top 3 & is still bad due to other reasons then why continue with the same system rewarding teams that can basically be called incompetent for the sake of a better word (now don't go all defensive on me this is hypothetical & no one has mentioned the Oilers)? Maybe your opinion will change if you support a team that is consistently playing playoffs & has a shot at Stanley, & another team cannot get off the bottom for whatever reason.

On the other hand what about a team that hangs around the bottom for years but has no luck in the draft lottery & never gets top pick? Don't they deserve the top pick at least once if they are that bad?

Ahhh they're whining now by stating facts
Good post.


So give them the opportunity to develop those players drafted later.
They have some. But can't make moves for big names.
So they wait.

U need to see context and use your brain, instead of spouting easy simple quips
- Ihateallofu

Yes i did state facts, do you not think any other team based in Canada has trouble signing big name UFA,s or making trades for big name players ????The only one that cries about it is EDM ,as for developing players its going on 5 years .There should be much more on your roster than your high 1st,s .But there isnt ,so who,s fault is that??

Edmonton is not purposefully tanking. They're just bad.

Ek says he wants to spread around the star players... just what star players does Edmonton have again? What star players were there in the drafts they picked first? You could argue for Taylor Hall. Perhaps Tyler Seguin. Yak, Nuge, Murray, Landeskog... hardly a player anyone, regardless of the city they are in, is going to come out just to see.

The system is working. Yes, Edmonton received 3 #1 overall picks. They picked the best player available. None of them are stars. The draft classes were weak. There were no Tavares, Mackinnon, Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid, Ekblad, etc. available to them. So we're supposed to say "you had your chance... even though you were screwed over by timing so that when you finally hit rock bottom after 2 decades of futility you were denied any sort of impact player, we're going to deny you the chance to improve your team. Let's let someone else who has a better team than you draft the best player. Sucks to be you. You should have pulled a Buffalo and strategically tanked when a generational player was available instead of fighting tooth and nail to succeed for years until finally falling to the basement naturally."

I'm appalled at what Buffalo is doing to their fans and the sport. But don't lump Edmonton in with them. Edmonton actively tries to improve their team every year. Good players do not want to go to Edmonton so they can't trade for them (rare is the good player without a NTC) or get them in via free agency. The only hope they have to get a good player is through the draft and you want to take it away from them because there were no really good players in the years they happened to draft first.

Also, what's with the snipe about Edmonton not drafting a defenceman? They drafted Oscar Klefbom in the first round in Hall's draft year, and Darnell Nurse in the first round 2 years ago. 2 of the last 6 first round picks of the Oilers were defencemen. Given a team dresses 12 forwards and 6 defenceman, their ratio of defencemen to forwards is spot on.
- Centacre

So Edmonton's system has been built to provide the best possible support & environment for these 'not so great' #1 picks?

NEVER.
That is an awful idea.
That would essentially force the team to use younger, entry level contracts all but exclusively to get under the cap and field a team... making them more likely to have a high pick again after getting thumped. Then, the next year they reduce them again?

As said before in this thread. Everyone who misses the postseason gets a ball in the lottery. Weighting could be introduced; but nowhere near the heavy weighting it is now.
- mlindsay

If everyone has equal chance to pick first what is a 'high' pick? I don't think you got the drift of the idea. Let's say the Kings don't play playoffs. They are hard up against the cap but with prorated draft pick the #1 would actually be too expensive for them to keep unless they trade the pick or 1 of their high end contracts - Boychuck & Leddy ring any bells? If they use ELC they have to get rid of their high end talents - hence evening out the talent. Or, they trade the pick once they have it for loads of prospects from another team that wants & has the cap space for the #1.

It evens out the talent one way or another - if the Kings traded their pick before the lottery, then the cycle continues. They have high end talent with prospects but no top pick. It would also help budget teams get to the cap floor if they needed to without paying ridiculous contracts to low end talents forcing up the market - I don't think you need any examples of that.

If they put clauses into the NMC contracts that those players could be moved only for the draft lottery pick, it would help the markets struggling for talent as well - Sharks could trade Thornton & or Marleau for the top draft pick to who ever won it, or before the lottery took place.

Edmonton is not purposefully tanking. They're just bad.

Ek says he wants to spread around the star players... just what star players does Edmonton have again? What star players were there in the drafts they picked first? You could argue for Taylor Hall. Perhaps Tyler Seguin. Yak, Nuge, Murray, Landeskog... hardly a player anyone, regardless of the city they are in, is going to come out just to see.

The system is working. Yes, Edmonton received 3 #1 overall picks. They picked the best player available. None of them are stars. The draft classes were weak. There were no Tavares, Mackinnon, Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid, Ekblad, etc. available to them. So we're supposed to say "you had your chance... even though you were screwed over by timing so that when you finally hit rock bottom after 2 decades of futility you were denied any sort of impact player, we're going to deny you the chance to improve your team. Let's let someone else who has a better team than you draft the best player. Sucks to be you. You should have pulled a Buffalo and strategically tanked when a generational player was available instead of fighting tooth and nail to succeed for years until finally falling to the basement naturally."

I'm appalled at what Buffalo is doing to their fans and the sport. But don't lump Edmonton in with them. Edmonton actively tries to improve their team every year. Good players do not want to go to Edmonton so they can't trade for them (rare is the good player without a NTC) or get them in via free agency. The only hope they have to get a good player is through the draft and you want to take it away from them because there were no really good players in the years they happened to draft first.

Also, what's with the snipe about Edmonton not drafting a defenceman? They drafted Oscar Klefbom in the first round in Hall's draft year, and Darnell Nurse in the first round 2 years ago. 2 of the last 6 first round picks of the Oilers were defencemen. Given a team dresses 12 forwards and 6 defenceman, their ratio of defencemen to forwards is spot on.
- Centacre

Love this post. Edmonton still needs to develop defensemen and find a starter Bottom line. But this blog really isn't about what the oilers need or how they draft rather if today's system is fair. To decide that we need to determine a bit of history.

The Nhl brought the salary cap into the league 2006. That off season teams like the rangers were forced To make trades. That ensuing season the four conference finalists where Anaheim Edmonton Carolina and buffalo. Since then there have been a few success stories of small market teams. So why didn't parity work and the big market teams returned to their perch. Well it's simple general managers found ways around the league rules. The biggest rule breaker was cap circumvention with horrible contracts and little to no consequences for those teams. The league went to battle again with the players and teams and have brought about rules to try and bring parity and fairness into the league with contract limits.

So when teams are so bad that no players want to sign there as free agents or put stipulations into their contracts blocking trades there then the only way a team can build a competitive team is really through drafting and developing. People can get Pissed for Edmonton having three first overall picks but really what choice do they have?

Yes i did state facts, do you not think any other team based in Canada has trouble signing big name UFA,s or making trades for big name players ????The only one that cries about it is EDM ,as for developing players its going on 5 years .There should be much more on your roster than your high 1st,s .But there isnt ,so who,s fault is that??
- top shelf 15

no, youre not. at all.
youre using simple cause and effect without bothering to see context.
its actually pretty typical of the posters on hb. or fans in general.

if the oilers are still bad, then that must be because the gm is bad. and/or that must mean that the missed on their picks.

yeah, no.

the defencemen that the organization is waiting on to develop?
or the secondary center(s)s that the team is waiting on to develop?

but because they tore it down and had empty cupboards from the ineptitude of the previous scouting regime AND because we cant attract free agents or big names with ntc's, its patience and time.
we slowly surround our developing players with secondary talent that will sign in edm and hope they contribute. (Gordon overpay has worked out. pouliot way overpay has worked out this far. fayne overpay-meh. nikitin overpay-big miss. but that's how it goes when that's all one can sign)
everyone knows they need top pairing defence and goaltending. so they wait for the klefboms, marincins and nurses cause they cant acquire one by any other means. (unless you also think trading a star young player for a total question mark or an over the hill defender that's getting shipped anyway that MIGHT, a prudent move) and meanwhile, they wait and continue to struggle. and draft high hoping to stock those cupboards for a time that it turns around.

not only that, but the oilers were competitive for years, but because of this constant merry go round of signing decent players, overpaying for an almost over the hill guy etc etc they realized until they had top quality stars they were never gonna get to the level of actual cup contender. and always be just battling for 8th, but never a real shot.

and no, we aren't going to take a lowball offer for eberle for a couple of plugs. that's NOT how we'll ever get to where we want.

and don't give me this bs, that every team in canada struggles to sign and attract big names just like the oilers. they don't.
its been the least desirable market to play in for far longer than the rebuild started. and has only gotten worse.
even if they do become a pereniall contender, they'll still never be anywhere near the top 3rd.

no, youre not. at all.
youre using simple cause and effect without bothering to see context.
its actually pretty typical of the posters on hb. or fans in general.

if the oilers are still bad, then that must be because the gm is bad. and/or that must mean that the missed on their picks.

yeah, no.

the defencemen that the organization is waiting on to develop?
or the secondary center(s)s that the team is waiting on to develop?

but because they tore it down and had empty cupboards from the ineptitude of the previous scouting regime AND because we cant attract free agents or big names with ntc's, its patience and time.
we slowly surround our developing players with secondary talent that will sign in edm and hope they contribute. (Gordon overpay has worked out. pouliot way overpay has worked out this far. fayne overpay-meh. nikitin overpay-big miss. but that's how it goes when that's all one can sign)
everyone knows they need top pairing defence and goaltending. so they wait for the klefboms, marincins and nurses cause they cant acquire one by any other means. (unless you also think trading a star young player for a total question mark or an over the hill defender that's getting shipped anyway that MIGHT, a prudent move) and meanwhile, they wait and continue to struggle. and draft high hoping to stock those cupboards for a time that it turns around.

not only that, but the oilers were competitive for years, but because of this constant merry go round of signing decent players, overpaying for an almost over the hill guy etc etc they realized until they had top quality stars they were never gonna get to the level of actual cup contender. and always be just battling for 8th, but never a real shot.

and no, we aren't going to take a lowball offer for eberle for a couple of plugs. that's NOT how we'll ever get to where we want.

and don't give me this bs, that every team in canada struggles to sign and attract big names just like the oilers. they don't.
its been the least desirable market to play in for far longer than the rebuild started. and has only gotten worse.
even if they do become a pereniall contender, they'll still never be anywhere near the top 3rd.
- Ihateallofu

Yep ,you are delusional.The biggest reason nobody wants to play in EDM and hasnt for years ,isnt the weather bud .Its because since Gretzky and crew left ,your team has been average to bad .So you guys blame this on the excuse that nobody wants to come here .Then you start the rebuild ,hiring inexperienced people to do the rebuild .So half way through it ,the team realises its mistake, then hires yet another inexperienced gm .Notice a pattern here ???Stop hiring former players ,and hire a professional that has experience guiding a team through this critical period.And stop making excuses

Yep ,you are delusional.The biggest reason nobody wants to play in EDM and hasnt for years ,isnt the weather bud .Its because since Gretzky and crew left ,your team has been average to bad .So you guys blame this on the excuse that nobody wants to come here .Then you start the rebuild ,hiring inexperienced people to do the rebuild .So half way through it ,the team realises its mistake, then hires yet another inexperienced gm .Notice a pattern here ???Stop hiring former players ,and hire a professional that has experience guiding a team through this critical period.And stop making excuses
- top shelf 15

its the weather, the travel schedule, the lack of glitz and that theyre bad.


what mistake are u referring to?
tambellini? maybe I suppose, but he was meant to tank. he failed to surround the kids with any talent whatsoever. but id assume that was by design as if you win games, then u don't get the high picks you want. chicken and the egg. but his failures have zero reflection on mact to anyone with a clue.
mact took over and has done a full overhaul of the roster. except for the core. which is exactly what should be done.

and yeah, its cause mact has once played for the oilers. that's the problem.

why do u even bother posting? why don't you just post a link to some other moron posters or bloggers thoughts to reiterate what youre parroting without an ounce of original thought?

he showed interest in miller..denied.
he showed interest in luongo....denied
showed interest in kesler...denied
etc etc etc etc.
show me a link to even one story where a player recently denied a trade to Ottawa? or any eastern team......

a 'more experienced' guy would've been able to acquire said top pairing minute eater instead of waiting on nurse, klefbom etc without creating other huge holes?

please map out what mact could've or should've done differently to fix the team within his first year as gm, so I can tear the simpleton thoughts apart....
k, go


I really hope its the "trade one of the core guys for a secondary defender or a few lesser options' argument.
thatll be fun to respond to.

"i prefer to be short sighted and not bother using my head. so ill call your logic 'delusion' and making 'excuses'. Just be better!!!!
yeah, sounds about right.


youre not delusional per se. just stupid

its the weather, the travel schedule, the lack of glitz and that theyre bad.


what mistake are u referring to?
tambellini? maybe I suppose, but he was meant to tank. he failed to surround the kids with any talent whatsoever. but id assume that was by design as if you win games, then u don't get the high picks you want. chicken and the egg. but his failures have zero reflection on mact to anyone with a clue.
mact took over and has done a full overhaul of the roster. except for the core. which is exactly what should be done.

and yeah, its cause mact has once played for the oilers. that's the problem.

why do u even bother posting? why don't you just post a link to some other moron posters or bloggers thoughts to reiterate what youre parroting without an ounce of original thought?

he showed interest in miller..denied.
he showed interest in luongo....denied
showed interest in kesler...denied
etc etc etc etc.
show me a link to even one story where a player recently denied a trade to Ottawa? or any eastern team......

a 'more experienced' guy would've been able to acquire said top pairing minute eater instead of waiting on nurse, klefbom etc without creating other huge holes?

please map out what mact could've or should've done differently to fix the team within his first year as gm, so I can tear the simpleton thoughts apart....
k, go


I really hope its the "trade one of the core guys for a secondary defender or a few lesser options' argument.
thatll be fun to respond to.

"i prefer to be short sighted and not bother using my head. so ill call your logic 'delusion' and making 'excuses'. Just be better!!!!
yeah, sounds about right.


youre not delusional per se. just stupid
- Ihateallofu

Yep ,enjoy yet another bottom 3 finish. Did you guys even have a plan ??,or was it to sit in the basement for half a decade,and make a colorful TV show .And hope you guys get the next Crosby.Perhaps your smart management ,could have looked at the draft and said .Maybe we should trade down from drafting yet another small skilled forward.Your management is scared to even try and make a move to get better,just we gotta get the number 1 overall .In F/A everybody sees a decent bottom 6 center in

Pouliot.But only EDM decides to pay him as if he was a top 6 guy .Because they cant develop a decent bottom 6 guy,even after being a bottom 3 team forever ,the leafs can even do that but EDM nope

Yeah iam the one thats stupid

Yep ,enjoy yet another bottom 3 finish. Did you guys even have a plan ??,or was it to sit in the basement for half a decade,and make a colorful TV show .And hope you guys get the next Crosby.Perhaps your smart management ,could have looked at the draft and said .Maybe we should trade down from drafting yet another small skilled forward.Your management is scared to even try and make a move to get better,just we gotta get the number 1 overall .In F/A everybody sees a decent bottom 6 center in

Pouliot.But only EDM decides to pay him as if he was a top 6 guy .Because they cant develop a decent bottom 6 guy,even after being a bottom 3 team forever ,the leafs can even do that but EDM nope

Yeah iam the one thats stupid
- top shelf 15

Pouliot is a winger...

Dudes an idiot.
I didn't bother to read his retort. I'm bored of him.
I come with fact after fact.
He retorts with, stop making excuses.
Literally no idea what he's talking about.
Stupidity isn't a crime. But ignorance to go along with it? Dangerous combo

Meh, typical moron eastern fan that knows nothing about hockey out west.


It's really no skin off my back, so I'll just let him continue to deep throat his moron pundits that tell him what to think

Pouliot is a winger...
- Dangles13

Who cares ,i dont understand why after half a decade in the bottem of the standings they havent been able to produce anything after the first round

Dudes an idiot.
I didn't bother to read his retort. I'm bored of him.
I come with fact after fact.
He retorts with, stop making excuses.
Literally no idea what he's talking about.
Stupidity isn't a crime. But ignorance to go along with it? Dangerous combo

Meh, typical moron eastern fan that knows nothing about hockey out west.


It's really no skin off my back, so I'll just let him continue to deep throat his moron pundits that tell him what to think
- Ihateallofu

You are the moron just keep burying your head in the sand ,what has edm done to make themselves better ??So teams that are trying to make themselves better ,but fall a little short have to wait until EDM,s management pulls its head outa its ass .Its been long enough with top 10 picks ,for EDM ,the league is right not to want reward failure .Maybe then EDM can learn how to actually build a team without picking in the top 10 every year ,and continually go nowhere