In a shocking turn of events Jay Feaster was the first GM to the fox, but forfeited the first overall pick when, instead of bringing the fox out of the woods, was found ravenously gnawing on it's carcass on a game trail.

Yes, I know Jay Feaster is no longer a GM but shut up and let me have my moment in the sun.
- eichiefs9

Ron Hextall slashes Feaster with a stick and grabs the fox pelt, winning the first overall pick.


But wait, Craig MacTavish runs Hextall over with his car. Victory for the Oilers.

In a shocking turn of events Jay Feaster was the first GM to the fox, but forfeited the first overall pick when, instead of bringing the fox out of the woods, was found ravenously gnawing on it's carcass on a game trail.

Yes, I know Jay Feaster is no longer a GM but shut up and let me have my moment in the sun.
- eichiefs9

You're just throwing crap against the wall.

Ron Hextall slashes Feaster with a stick and grabs the fox pelt, winning the first overall pick.


But wait, Craig MacTavish runs Hextall over with his car. Victory for the Oilers.
- Streit2ThePoint

I've heard this dozens of times and it gets dumber each time I hear it.
- ghostofRC

They should have a draft with all the free agents every year.

So next year when teams at the bottom sell of assets for the future do we get to bash them uncontrollably?

Or is it just this year because there are two generational Talents?


Where was all the complaining last year about buffalo tanking when they landed Reinhart?

It is always going to be this way, bad teams will get rewarded, and they should to create an even playing field.

Tank or not, every team has been in this situation. Its just a cycle, that will continue to repeat.

WRONG!


- glove_was_stuck

Thou shall not pass!

A lottery encourages tanking.

It encourages being absolutely dead last. Because even if you lose the lottery, you still draft second.

Rather than finishing second to last or third to last... and drafting third and fourth. Dropping from first to second isn't always a killer, but second to third, or third to fourth is often a pretty severe drop off.

Having a lottery literally encourages tanking.

Equal odds to all non playoff teams would discourage teams fighting for the last playoff spots. Why risk taking the super long shot on being the next 8th seed to win the cup, when instead you could take the less long shot on an amazing talent.

I dunno why the lottery exists at all.

Just have a tournament for all teams that don't make the playoffs. Draft position is determined by how your team finishes in the tournament (ie, first place gets first pick). Give a cash incentive to the players so that they will actually care.

More money for the owners of crappy teams. No incentive for team to be really terrible. Everyone gets in the playoffs.
- limestein

and you would hold this tourney when exactly?.......alongside the actual playoffs, that'll never happen, or after the playoffs, so July?......that will never happen either, you think guys making millions are going to give a crap about a few thousand dollars versus keeping the only 3 months out of the year they're not currently playing hockey?

The way I would do it...

Once a team is mathematically eliminated, he starts competing for the draft position. The team with most points gets first and so on. The quicker you are mathematically eliminated the faster you participate in the draft tourney. It takes away the tanking, and still gives worse teams a better chance because they will have more games to put up points.

Probably makes too much sense? Right?
- yannman

isn't this a reasonable option???

isn't this a reasonable option???
- yannman

- Iggysbff

care to elaborate?

So next year when teams at the bottom sell of assets for the future do we get to bash them uncontrollably?

Or is it just this year because there are two generational Talents?


Where was all the complaining last year about buffalo tanking when they landed Reinhart?

It is always going to be this way, bad teams will get rewarded, and they should to create an even playing field.

Tank or not, every team has been in this situation. Its just a cycle, that will continue to repeat.
- ImThatGuy

Right but the entire point of the conversation is to try and find a fair way to discourage teams from tanking.

Bad teams shouldn't be rewarded for intentionally being bad in order to get a player they want. Teams that try to ice an actual NHL roster and are just not very good, for whatever reason, should be rewarded. Teams that have a lineup that you look at and go "wow I have literally never even heard of this person" ten times should not be rewarded.

care to elaborate?
- yannman

It's literally one of the worst ideas I have ever heard for anything ever. It's completely illogical.

It's literally one of the worst ideas I have ever heard for anything ever. It's completely illogical.
- eichiefs9

How is it illogical?

Doesn't it make bottom teams fight for their draft position?

Right but the entire point of the conversation is to try and find a fair way to discourage teams from tanking.

Bad teams shouldn't be rewarded for intentionally being bad in order to get a player they want. Teams that try to ice an actual NHL roster and are just not very good, for whatever reason, should be rewarded. Teams that have a lineup that you look at and go "wow I have literally never even heard of this person" ten times should not be rewarded.
- eichiefs9

Whats the difference between icing a team with "Guys I have heard of" who are not very good anymore, VS Guys who you have never heard of?

Its never going to stop, SO I will never understand this conversation.

oh yea, some 18 year old kid in a sport that nobody cares about, in the middle of the desert... That's totally going to skyrocket attendance in Arizona

do you actually beleive the bullpoop you write?

How is it illogical?

Doesn't it make bottom teams fight for their draft position?
- yannman

It's illogical because you would never get approval from the NHLPA for players on non-playoff teams to extend their season because the NHL can't figure out a reasonable way to regulate GM's.

You're exposing players to an entire round-robin tournaments of injury-risk all because the league can't make GM's stop tanking in a normal way.

You're essentially punishing the players for the GM's irresponsibility. If the Canadiens missed the playoffs next year and Carey Price tears his knee to shreds playing in some stupid draft-lottery tournament, are you going to tell me that you wouldn't be absolutely furious about it? I know I would be livid if the Islanders were forced to do that and Tavares got seriously injured.

There are far better ways to deal with the issue of tanking than putting extra stress on the players themselves. They aren't the ones that are stripping their teams of actual NHL players and they shouldn't be punished for it.

Whats the difference between icing a team with "Guys I have heard of" who are not very good anymore, VS Guys who you have never heard of?

Its never going to stop, SO I will never understand this conversation.
- ImThatGuy

It is going to stop, if they put a system in place that stops it.

How is it illogical?

Doesn't it make bottom teams fight for their draft position?
- yannman

Because most likely, the last team to be mathematically eliminated will get the first pick since they would have the highest point total.

Unless you are talking about a completely different point system?

I watched the entire Oilers game last night against Columbus and they worked their butts off all night. They more than doubled Columbus in shots but McElhinney stole the game for Columbus. The reason the Oilers continue to be a bad team (Bottom 5) rather than an average team (NJ, Philly, Clb, etc.) is that the defence and goaltending MacTavish has assembled is brutal.

People need to shift their attention away from the players in Edmonton. It is all about poor management. Hall, Nugent Hopkins, and Yakupov are all good players but management has tossed them right into the league without developing them. It doesn't matter if the Oilers pick 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in the upcoming draft unless they start giving these young players time to grow in the American Hockey League.

Penalizing the rest of the league for Kevin Lowes ineptitude is completely unfair. Edmonton is a case study in a management group that has been given way too much rope and should have been fired long ago. Every other organization in the league cleans house and is able to turn their franchise around within 2 or 3 years.

It's illogical because you would never get approval from the NHLPA for players on non-playoff teams to extend their season because the NHL can't figure out a reasonable way to regulate GM's.

You're exposing players to an entire round-robin tournaments of injury-risk all because the league can't make GM's stop tanking in a normal way.

You're essentially punishing the players for the GM's irresponsibility. If the Canadiens missed the playoffs next year and Carey Price tears his knee to shreds playing in some stupid draft-lottery tournament, are you going to tell me that you wouldn't be absolutely furious about it? I know I would be livid if the Islanders were forced to do that and Tavares got seriously injured.

There are far better ways to deal with the issue of tanking than putting extra stress on the players themselves. They aren't the ones that are stripping their teams of actual NHL players and they shouldn't be punished for it.
- eichiefs9

Re-read my post and understand that this is happening within the season.

here it is...

The way I would do it...

Once a team is mathematically eliminated, he starts competing for the draft position. The team with most points gets first and so on. The quicker you are mathematically eliminated the faster you participate in the draft tourney. It takes away the tanking, and still gives worse teams a better chance because they will have more games to put up points.

Probably makes too much sense? Right?

Because most likely, the last team to be mathematically eliminated will get the first pick since they would have the highest point total.

Unless you are talking about a completely different point system?
- Streit2ThePoint

the sooner you are mathematically eliminated, the sooner you start raking in points with WINS! no more tanking... No?

Re-read my post and understand that this is happening within the season.

here it is...

The way I would do it...

Once a team is mathematically eliminated, he starts competing for the draft position. The team with most points gets first and so on. The quicker you are mathematically eliminated the faster you participate in the draft tourney. It takes away the tanking, and still gives worse teams a better chance because they will have more games to put up points.

Probably makes too much sense? Right?
- yannman

What? Now I have no idea what you're talking about.. If you aren't talking about an actual physical tournament, like with real live non-regular season hockey games, what in god's name are you talking about?

What? Now I have no idea what you're talking about.. If you aren't talking about an actual physical tournament, like with real live non-regular season hockey games, what in god's name are you talking about?
- eichiefs9

within the regular season. you just start accounting once you are mathematically eliminated.

Am I not making it clear?

you just have a parallel draft ranking in which you enter once you are eliminated.

within the regular season. you just start accounting once you are mathematically eliminated.

Am I not making it clear?
- yannman

Start accounting what? You are making it very much the opposite of clear.