You don't like my ideas because they use logic which is apparently frowned upon in Edmonton.
- Feds91Stammer

Your ideas are not logical or even close to being correct. You should check your facts before you spout off.

Like ur thoughts on perron?
- Ihateallofu

Yes. You can pretend they aren't tanking all you want.

Yes. You can pretend they aren't tanking all you want.
- Feds91Stammer

U can pretend that the facts aren't present all you like

Edmonton came very close to going under and being moved if you remember. The only thing that kept them going was the EIG and they barely kept them alive.

Most that actually have a brain and read or watched anything knew that when Katz bought the team they said they needed a complete organizational rebuild. We had no farm system. And a barely alive NHL club.

They rebuilt their entire drafting and development system and now have a large scouting department and an AHL club, an ECHL club and a WHL club all under the Oilers to develop our own prospects and picks better than before. As I've said numerous times. The oilers were basically an expansion team in 2009. How long did it take for Ottawa, San Jose Florida, Tampa etc to become relevant?
- Iggysbff

I don't feel bad for you. If that's what you're looking for bud. You guys seem faithful and knowledgeable enough so how do you become close losing the team?

As an owner does Katz just not give a poop, cause he making money anyways? Kind of reminiscent of Jeremy Jacobs. It took forever but we finally just tuned them out. TV, radio, nobody cared. It was as if the Bruins didn't exist. Then he finally smartened up shook up the front office.

The Bruins rebuilt and did so without, 5 years in a row drafting 1st overall.

Your ideas are not logical or even close to being correct. You should check your facts before you spout off.
- Iggysbff

I don't mind quality thoughts.

He's proven he's incapable of that.

What if they can't attract quality support to allow them to develop?
Are u under the impression that mact thought Ference and Anton belov would help the kids more than Ryan suter?

Literally the only way the oilers get a taylor hall is to draft him.
- Ihateallofu

The only way that most teams get a top notch player is to draft them. Every now and then one comes on the trade market, but that is rare. If you think that your expensive UFA signing is going to get you a world class player - think again, it is likely that they are already past their primes (See Philly and Vincent ). Drafting Taylor Hall was easy - just takes tanking. Filling in the cupboard with quality supports can be far more difficult. Most decent players want to play on teams with a chance at a cup (I agree, Edmonton loses out with those that choose by geography) and preferably one where they respect team management and direction.

Way back in the 80's, Edmonton would have been a first choice for many better than average players. They respected Edmonton's management. They felt there was a good chance to win there. Sather left, so did Gretz, Mess and company.

Which is why we now have the "Edmonton method" of tanking. Draft great players. Can't attract the support needed to develop players individually or as a team. Everyone is disfunctional and the teams tanks again. Key pieces that haven't developed to expectations get thrown out door as crisis managements goes searching for new scapegoat at top of next years draft. City gets excited with prospect of drafting new shiny bauble. Repeat from top....

I don't feel bad for you. If that's what you're looking for bud. You guys seem faithful and knowledgeable enough so how do you become close losing the team?

As an owner does Katz just not give a poop, cause he making money anyways? Kind of reminiscent of Jeremy Jacobs. It took forever but we finally just tuned them out. TV, radio, nobody cared. It was as if the Bruins didn't exist. Then he finally smartened up shook up the front office.

The Bruins rebuilt and did so without, 5 years in a row drafting 1st overall.
- glove_was_stuck

But mact isn't the problem imo.
Far from it

You say that like they have not tried yet no one shows all these supposed deals that Mact has turned down? They have done the best they could with those willing to sign in Edmonton and I for one am glad Mact hasn't accepted the low ball offers he's gotten for our players.

Even those that say they drafted wrond are ridiculous. Like their hindsight says if they had taken Seguin, Larsson ( and let's be clear that who the majority said the oilers should take at the time) or Murray they'd be a miraculously better team?

Get real.
- Iggysbff

it kind of sounds like you're excusing Edmonton's poor overall drafting record. the Oilers have virtually nothing to show for rounds 2-7 in the last decade. it seems like that has been their biggest problem. yes, Edmonton is an undesirable location. join the friggin' club. we (Canadian fans) are all in the same boat unless we want to pay $37 million to David Clarkson. even the teams that tanked and then won Cups, their rosters are littered with quality players drafted outside the first round.

drafting and extracting value from your picks. that's the only way to do it.

Yes. You can pretend they aren't tanking all you want.
- Feds91Stammer

I don't believe they're tanking. I think their organization from the top down is woefully inept. The NHL should stop rewarding failure and sending top talent to rot in failure.

But mact isn't the problem imo.
Far from it
- Ihateallofu

Fair point. This is his 1st year correct?

I don't believe they're tanking. I think their organization from the top down is woefully inept. The NHL should stop rewarding failure and sending top talent to rot in failure.
- glove_was_stuck

Tanking or not the lottery is a broken system. That's my point.

I don't feel bad for you. If that's what you're looking for bud. You guys seem faithful and knowledgeable enough so how do you become close losing the team?

As an owner does Katz just not give a poop, cause he making money anyways? Kind of reminiscent of Jeremy Jacobs. It took forever but we finally just tuned them out. TV, radio, nobody cared. It was as if the Bruins didn't exist. Then he finally smartened up shook up the front office.

The Bruins rebuilt and did so without, 5 years in a row drafting 1st overall.
- glove_was_stuck

Wayne Primeau, Brad Stuart, and Marco Sturm

I don't mind quality thoughts.

He's proven he's incapable of that.
- Ihateallofu

Me no talk now. Feelings hurt bad.

Tanking or not the lottery is a broken system. That's my point.
- Feds91Stammer

I have huge problem with rewarding ineptitude. There should be a limit.

I don't feel bad for you. If that's what you're looking for bud. You guys seem faithful and knowledgeable enough so how do you become close losing the team?

As an owner does Katz just not give a poop, cause he making money anyways? Kind of reminiscent of Jeremy Jacobs. It took forever but we finally just tuned them out. TV, radio, nobody cared. It was as if the Bruins didn't exist. Then he finally smartened up shook up the front office.

The Bruins rebuilt and did so without, 5 years in a row drafting 1st overall.
- glove_was_stuck

There was a plan put in place. They said 5 years and obviously this is year 6. They had some missteps along the way obviously. Eakins has said multiple times since being let go the plan behind closed doors is to challenge for the playoffs next year then be in the playoffs when the new arena opens. Since we don't get access to a lot of trades because guys have ntcs we have to draft.

Mact tried to sign numerous centers last year and was denied by all of them. Yet all we hear is why didn't he sign one? He tried. Even Derek Roy turned us down and he's admitted it was a mistake now.

So do some digging before making assumptions. You might learn something.

Wayne Primeau, Brad Stuart, and Marco Sturm
- DDM-Coga

Yes and that's why O'Connell was fired. He admitted so himself in 2011.

There was a plan put in place. They said 5 years and obviously this is year 6. They had some missteps along the way obviously. Eakins has said multiple times since being let go the plan behind closed doors is to challenge for the playoffs next year then be in the playoffs when the new arena opens. Since we don't get access to a lot of trades because guys have ntcs we have to draft.

Mact tried to sign numerous centers last year and was denied by all of them. Yet all we hear is why didn't he sign one? He tried. Even Derek Roy turned us down and he's admitted it was a mistake now.

So do some digging before making assumptions. You might learn something.
- Iggysbff

You either need to learn how to have conversation without belittling people or shut your (frank)ing mouth douche bag. I'm done with you.

Yes and that's why O'Connell was fired. He admitted so himself in 2011.
- glove_was_stuck

I was looking at the other pieces that came from that and what they have turned into.

All that is left from that Thornton trade is Khokhlachev

it kind of sounds like you're excusing Edmonton's poor overall drafting record. the Oilers have virtually nothing to show for rounds 2-7 in the last decade. it seems like that has been their biggest problem. yes, Edmonton is an undesirable location. join the friggin' club. we (Canadian fans) are all in the same boat unless we want to pay $37 million to David Clarkson. even the teams that tanked and then won Cups, their rosters are littered with quality players drafted outside the first round.

drafting and extracting value from your picks. that's the only way to do it.
- DoubleDown

Drafting was a massive problem. Hence they cleaned house and fired everyone and brought in a new group. We have a pretty deep pool now and an excellent farm team. Marincin, Lander, Petry, all guys drafted outside the first round and more guys on the farm looking good in their development.

You either need to learn how to have conversation without belittling people or shut your (frank)ing mouth douche bag. I'm done with you.
- glove_was_stuck

Oh another guy that can dish it but not take it. Good times.

I was looking at the other pieces that came from that and what they have turned into.

All that is left from that Thornton trade is Khokhlachev
- DDM-Coga

Yup. Failure city. The scouting system was wiped last year for glut of botched drafts they've made. The worst being Hamill over Couture and Jordan Caron over anyone.

Which avenues?

And yes, I'm sure it's convenient for you to assume all oiler fans just want high picks.
If jumbo joe will waive his ntc to come to edm to give leadership, star power and depth, i for one am all for it.
Unfortunately for Edm, he isnt

I'm sorry that u can't attract big names. I'm sorry that ed is an undesirable location for impact guys.
But I also don't think u should have access to the big name draft available players.

Ummmm
- Ihateallofu

It is not lack of star power. Edmonton has lots of star power right now. It is lack of proper talent development. It is lack of building a cohesive unit that works together. It is lack of understanding the commitment required to win in the best hockey league in the world. This is why you need mentors to help season the kids. People who have been there and no what it takes. You can take the top 5 from 4 consecutive drafts - will that give you a winner - not likely. It takes more than skill. You need to now how to use that skill to win.

Yup. Failure city. The scouting system was wiped last year for glut of botched drafts they've made. The worst being Hamill over Couture and Jordan Caron over anyone.
- glove_was_stuck

like ROR 7 picks later?

There was a plan put in place. They said 5 years and obviously this is year 6. They had some missteps along the way obviously. Eakins has said multiple times since being let go the plan behind closed doors is to challenge for the playoffs next year then be in the playoffs when the new arena opens. Since we don't get access to a lot of trades because guys have ntcs we have to draft.

Mact tried to sign numerous centers last year and was denied by all of them. Yet all we hear is why didn't he sign one? He tried. Even Derek Roy turned us down and he's admitted it was a mistake now.

So do some digging before making assumptions. You might learn something.
- Iggysbff

Why would they pick the Oilers???? If you had 2 job offers but the higher pay was a total clusterf*ck, would you still take that job?????

Oh another guy that can dish it but not take it. Good times.
- Iggysbff

I don't remember hurling insults. Try not being a Richard shine for once. You'll get different results.

Although you'll be fine I'm sure your phone constantly goes off getting messages from people who actually choose to spend their free time with you. I mean why not? You seem like a barrel of fun.