you clearly don't understand what i meant. These three teams and their fans have all been aboard the tank train and some take pride in it. It would be hysterical and a big F you to the fans and a wasted year with how butthurt they would be. You must be one of them silly oilers fan
- arichardson22

You're right. I really don't understand what you're saying.
You've lumped in an entire fan base into singular thought.

Silly is absolutely the perfect word for this

Examples of trades bringing back needed assets, and met broth team's needs?

Coburn - Gudas, 1st, 3rd
Yandle, 4th - Moore, Duclair, 1st, 2nd
Kane, Bogosian - Myers, Stafford, 1st
Vanek, 5th - Collberg, 2nd
Luongo - Markstrom, Matthias
Miller, Ott - Halak, Stewart, 1st, 3rd
Vanek - Moulson, 1st, 2nd
Zidlicky - Foster, Palmeiri, 2nd, 3rd
Carter - Johnson, 1st
Wideman - Hasuwirth, 3rd
Shattenkirk, Stewart, 2nd - Johnson, McClement, 1st
Beauchemin - Lupul, Gardiner
Kovalchuk - Oduya, Bergfors, Cormier, 1st
Phaneuf, Sjostrom - Stajan, Hagman, White


Those are just some of the more major ones over the past couple years. I could go on, but I somehow have the feeling you'll just discredit any and all information I provide anyway... so take it however you want...
- WarriorHockey21

LMAO How can you add the Leaf Calgary deal and expect to be taken seriously? Calgary got garbage for a good Dman. Calgary got NO value in that trade.

LMAO How can you add the Leaf Calgary deal and expect to be taken seriously? Calgary got garbage for a good Dman. Calgary got NO value in that trade.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

We shouldve traded hall for Hagman, Stajan and another plug.

I wonder if buddies down for trading me a hundred dollar bill for 2 twentys and a ten?!
No?
What if I add in 2 more fives!?

You're right. I really don't understand what you're saying.
You've lumped in an entire fan base into singular thought.

Silly is absolutely the perfect word for this
- Ihateallofu

I don't think the word "some" relates to or defines "entire"

We shouldve traded hall for Hagman, Stajan and another plug.

I wonder if buddies down for trading me a hundred dollar bill for 2 twentys and a ten?!
No?
What if I add in 2 more fives!?
- Ihateallofu

We talkin Canadian or American or a combo of both?

We talkin Canadian or American or a combo of both?
- SDSabre

Combo
an American ten.

I'll even add in 4 more loonies.
Quantity bro.

I don't think the word "some" relates to or defines "entire"
- arichardson22

The word "all" is pretty definitive though, no?

Or by all you actually just meant some?

The word "all" is pretty definitive though, no?

Or by all you actually just meant some?
- Ihateallofu

all as in all the three clubs, not all fans. Some was intended as the fans taking pride and full support.

Yeah, so a team like the Penguins can get McDavid That makes sense. I'm a Sabres fan, and like how the system is set up next year. Same theory as yours, except that it doesn't keep the bad teams in the cellars by giving playoff teams more artillery to keep making the playoffs. All your asking to do with your suggestion is have the rich get richer, while the poor stay down. Doesn't sound like parity to me.
- SDSabre

So I am saying that if you want to pick in the top 3, you need to earn that privilege. Your response is that Buffalo deserves a top 3 pick it because it is Buffalo.
So what is the incentive to ever stop tanking (aka the Edmonton method). Promise the fans the newest and greatest but never provide the support to allow them to develop.

all as in all the three clubs, not all fans. Some was intended as the fans taking pride and full support.
- arichardson22

And what if some teams didn't try and tank? What if they're just bad and still waiting on development from some pieces?
Can you definitively say the oilers didn't want to be better?

Are you also wanting to change other rules if you're also going to take away the opportunity for less desirable markets to draft the best available?

Are u for eliminating ntc's as well, so that when edm tries to deal for Joe Thornton to improve and help with leadership/depth etc, he can't refuse?

Is there any way we can also level the playing field so edm can attract big name free agents instead of being forced to slowly build through secondary players and even overpaying for those guys just to get em to come?

Or essentially ud just think it'd be funny to cut off their opportunity to build a contender in every way possible?

Bad idea...What if a team drafts a player and the player is injured in year 2 and then forced to retire (see concussion). So now the team cannot pick #1 again?

So I am saying that if you want to pick in the top 3, you need to earn that privilege. Your response is that Buffalo deserves a top 3 pick it because it is Buffalo.
So what is the incentive to ever stop tanking (aka the Edmonton method). Promise the fans the newest and greatest but never provide the support to allow them to develop.
- Lostinarink

What if they can't attract quality support to allow them to develop?
Are u under the impression that mact thought Ference and Anton belov would help the kids more than Ryan suter?

Literally the only way the oilers get a taylor hall is to draft him.

This way here, even the bottom teams have incentive to battle till the last game of the year.

30th - 5th overall
29th -4th overall
28th - 3rd overall
27th - 2nd overall
26th - 1st overall
25th - 10th overall
24th - 9th overall
23rd - 8th overall
22nd-7th overall
21st - 6th overall

And what if some teams didn't try and tank? What if they're just bad and still waiting on development from some pieces?
Can you definitively say the oilers didn't want to be better?

Are you also wanting to change other rules of you're also going to take away the opportunity for less desirable markets to attract quality?

Are u for eliminating ntc's as well, so that when edm tries to deal for Joe Thornton to improve and help with leadership/depth etc, he can't refuse?

Is there any way we can also level the playing field so edm an attract big name free agents instead of being forced to slowly build through secondary players and even overpaying for them?

Or essentially ud just think it'd be funny to cut off their opportunity to build a contender in every way possible?
- Ihateallofu

Well for your oilers, i'd say out of the three bottom teams, they aren't really tanking as much since they are consistently in that range each season, but as far as Sabers and Yotes, Sabers traded away Neuvrith, clearly makes them worse, and now i read their fans are actually angry that they are winning? Yotes are in "rebuild" but they haven't been as bad as this year in recent years and also i read and hear their fans cheering loss after loss. And yes I would like to eliminate NTCs because as you mentioned and described it could help certain teams grow or develop better, as well as it hurting teams that can't move an unwanted player. Other than that, i don't mind if anything is changed or not changed, i just hate the fact that people cheer for their team to lose and that fans want to tank. My original post was to solely call out fans that all season have been praying for losses rather than supporting their team in the correct way. specifically the ones saying i can't wait for Mcdavid after this season. It would be beautiful for all those specific fans to get a slap in the face and not get a top 3 pick at all.

Yes,

I am an Edmonton fan and would rather not have 4 first overall in our line up next year and still most likely not make the playoffs.

Defense is our weakness but we have actually drafted a swack of them and they are all starting to bloom. Hanafin is the only top 5 worthy name the Oilers could go for and he is a lefty which the Oilers are saturated in.

Perfect world as an Edmonton fan we end up with Eichel but I think Arizona, Buffalo and maybe even Toronto are far more serious about tanking... this year.

So I am saying that if you want to pick in the top 3, you need to earn that privilege. Your response is that Buffalo deserves a top 3 pick it because it is Buffalo.
So what is the incentive to ever stop tanking (aka the Edmonton method). Promise the fans the newest and greatest but never provide the support to allow them to develop.
- Lostinarink

I never once said anything about Buffalo "deserving" the top picks. What I am saying, is that if you have teams that keep making the playoffs (which they do for the most part, there isn't much movement from year to year, although there is some) and they keep getting the top three picks, on a five year rotating basis, they will always remain in the playoffs. I would be against this if Buffalo was in the playoffs, so that has no bearing either. If you make the playoffs, the top 3 picks should never be yours IMHO, especially if you want a league with parity. Now, if you want the Chi, Bos, Stl, NYR, LA's of the world to get and keep all the talent then so be it. Just saying that your delusional draft solution will NEVER happen, and next years where the top three are in the lottery is a better system then we have now.

Examples of trades bringing back needed assets, and met broth team's needs?

Coburn - Gudas, 1st, 3rd
Yandle, 4th - Moore, Duclair, 1st, 2nd
Kane, Bogosian - Myers, Stafford, 1st
Vanek, 5th - Collberg, 2nd
Luongo - Markstrom, Matthias
Miller, Ott - Halak, Stewart, 1st, 3rd
Vanek - Moulson, 1st, 2nd
Zidlicky - Foster, Palmeiri, 2nd, 3rd
Carter - Johnson, 1st
Wideman - Hasuwirth, 3rd
Shattenkirk, Stewart, 2nd - Johnson, McClement, 1st
Beauchemin - Lupul, Gardiner
Kovalchuk - Oduya, Bergfors, Cormier, 1st
Phaneuf, Sjostrom - Stajan, Hagman, White


Those are just some of the more major ones over the past couple years. I could go on, but I somehow have the feeling you'll just discredit any and all information I provide anyway... so take it however you want...
- WarriorHockey21

How many of those picks are first overall picks?

So I am saying that if you want to pick in the top 3, you need to earn that privilege. Your response is that Buffalo deserves a top 3 pick it because it is Buffalo.
So what is the incentive to ever stop tanking (aka the Edmonton method). Promise the fans the newest and greatest but never provide the support to allow them to develop.
- Lostinarink

And who is your team? My guess would be that they are in the playoffs this year...

but there are people on here arguing that management wouldnt do that, they care about their jobs and tanking doesnt really happen, they just are having bad years ect..
- digitalbath

Who argued management wouldn't? I haven't seen anyone claim that.

That could reward a team who just misses the playoffs though.... That sounds pretty stupid.
- Guile

it's even stupider to reward historically rancid teams like Buffalo and Edmonton

it's even stupider to reward historically rancid teams like Buffalo and Edmonton
- DoubleDown

Another quality post

it's even stupider to reward historically rancid teams like Buffalo and Edmonton
- DoubleDown

Seriously. Maybe they could try to suck less.

Another quality post
- Ihateallofu

what's wrong with it?

Seriously. Maybe they could try to suck less.
- glove_was_stuck

Just be better!!

I'm totally down with this plan.
seriously

Or, the NHL could just do what it's probably going to do and fix the lottery so Arizona wins it, gets McDavid and Buffalo gets Eichel. Everybody's happy. Except Edmonton but who cares about them?
- GOODPLAYA20