Not sure but I think if you check his points per game you'd see most came at the beginning of the year when he was playing with good players and then at the end he fell out of favour with Roy and was slowly moving down the line-up.

Not sure what it was. I like the way he plays. He is somewhat gritty for an offensively gifted player and has offensive skills.
- willey101

It doesn't help that Therrien's syle at times can really limits players. There are some very talented players on that team that could be unleashed so much more often. Makes what Pacioretty has been doing really special. Looking back on it, they really should've kept Sekac too.

It doesn't help that Therrien's syle at times can really limits players. There are some very talented players on that team that could be unleashed so much more often. Makes what Pacioretty has been doing really special. Looking back on it, they really should've kept Sekac too.
- HopintheCordoba

Therien has a huge ego that hurts his team. The one time of year where Danny Briere should be playing is the playoffs. Therien basically put him on the 4th line and gave him limited ice time, and he still produced. But he refused to move him up in the lineup or use him in the PP.

It's the issue of it being for the next 3 years that I have a problem with. I'd rather try to recoup picks for Sutter but if they get a player that's top 6 quality at slightly more then it works. Parenteau fits that bill. I don't think Eller is worth his contract.

And guys, let's be realistic about Scuderi. It's buyout or scratch next year. No way anyone takes him unless they're absolutely desperate and even then he still has to waive the NTC.
- HopintheCordoba

I'm not sure I'd put Parenteau in the top 6. More like a 2nd/3rd liner but maybe he works out. The term doesn't bother me as I don't think it is unfair and I'm not sure a more capable 3C would be available in FA for less. I'm not an advocate of constantly trying to find bargain players in FA as it backfires as often as it works out.

I think you are right on Scuderi. Can't see how any team would possibly take that on unless they are trying to get to the cap floor. And his NTC would likely prevent those deals from materializing.

Therien has a huge ego that hurts his team. The one time of year where Danny Briere should be playing is the playoffs. Therien basically put him on the 4th line and gave him limited ice time, and he still produced. But he refused to move him up in the lineup or use him in the PP.
- jmatchett383

MT is clueless; the poor (frank) has his team sitting first in the conference with, Carey Price aside, an average team. FIRE THERRIEN!

MT is clueless; the poor (frank) has his team sitting first in the conference with, Carey Price aside, an average team. FIRE THERRIEN!
- Habsody

Don't take this the wrong way---but they've won largely despite him. Price has been unbelievably good. He's the MVP by a decent margin to this point. There's some real ability with the group MTL has and that's on Bergevin. Therrien has some real player usage issues. There are certainly worse coaches but he could be a hell of a lot more open to tinkering less.

MT is clueless; the poor (frank) has his team sitting first in the conference with, Carey Price aside, an average team. FIRE THERRIEN!
- Habsody

So... you're a casual fan who doesn't actually understand hockey systems eh?

It's the issue of it being for the next 3 years that I have a problem with. I'd rather try to recoup picks for Sutter but if they get a player that's top 6 quality at slightly more then it works. Parenteau fits that bill. I don't think Eller is worth his contract.

And guys, let's be realistic about Scuderi. It's buyout or scratch next year. No way anyone takes him unless they're absolutely desperate and even then he still has to waive the NTC.
- HopintheCordoba

That's the kicker. He will want to go to a contender and most contenders won't have room for him on the depth chart or in the cap. Best bet is buy out.

That's the kicker. He will want to go to a contender and most contenders won't have room for him on the depth chart or in the cap. Best bet is buy out.
- znagle

I agree. We will have plenty of depth too. Doesn't cost all that much against the cap to do it and we will have a bit more to play with. It's around $15M this offseason with his cap still hitting.

Perron is priority for extension. Winnik, Comeau and Downie next in that order. Probably can't do all 3. Maybe we wouldn't anyway. Could negotiate with one of Martin or Ehrhoff. But it's not a killer if they both walk since Cole and Lovejoy were brought in.

Cole can be re-signed for a fair price. We have Harrington and Dumoulin also bucking for time.

Move Sutter for a player if possible but picks if that can be done. Need to recoup some. Play Spaling at 3C if they can't upgrade in FA or in that trade.

Sutter for PAP would be an absolute steal for Habs.
Dont forget that a good portion of his points the past 4 seasons came playing with the NHL's leading scorer. Some Tavares is now doing with Bailey and Anders Lee
- willey101

Wait, you would be willing to do this??

Where do we sign??


The league is still blind to just how absolutely fantastic Sutter is.


F Sutter

Wait, you would be willing to do this??

Where do we sign??


The league is still blind to just how absolutely horrible Sutter is.


F Sutter
- nbartley9

HEY!

HEY!

- HopintheCordoba

Crap your right I will fix it....

whats the tweet about Gary Roberts about?

is the facility being named after him or is he joining the Pens in a specific role?

Crap your right I will fix it....
- nbartley9

Just trying to keep that trade value up as much as possible

MT is clueless; the poor (frank) has his team sitting first in the conference with, Carey Price aside, an average team. FIRE THERRIEN!
- Habsody

Habs are having a great season no doubt but they would not be where they are in the standings without Price's level of play this year. He's the front runner for the Hart in my opinion.

I agree. We will have plenty of depth too. Doesn't cost all that much against the cap to do it and we will have a bit more to play with. It's around $15M this offseason with his cap still hitting.

Perron is priority for extension. Winnik, Comeau and Downie next in that order. Probably can't do all 3. Maybe we wouldn't anyway. Could negotiate with one of Martin or Ehrhoff. But it's not a killer if they both walk since Cole and Lovejoy were brought in.

Cole can be re-signed for a fair price. We have Harrington and Dumoulin also bucking for time.

Move Sutter for a player if possible but picks if that can be done. Need to recoup some. Play Spaling at 3C if they can't upgrade in FA or in that trade.
- HopintheCordoba

Pens had a few players with agent Walsh. Be wary is all I gotta say. Rutherford has done great setting up the future and answering needs in the present. He doesn't need any coaching from a players agent.

Pens had a few players with agent Walsh. Be wary is all I gotta say. Rutherford has done great setting up the future and answering needs in the present. He doesn't need any coaching from a players agent.
- mikey55

Fleury and Dupuis are his clients. Haven't heard anything bad from him(I follow him on Twitter) but I feel like he's always on the verge of being too "cheerleader" like

That's the kicker. He will want to go to a contender and most contenders won't have room for him on the depth chart or in the cap. Best bet is buy out.
- znagle

If scuds is playing well enough to be even the number 6 d-man I highly doubt burkle and lemieux pay him not to play. and he is playing well enough to be a number 6. I would be absolutely stunned if pens buy out scuds.

whats the tweet about Gary Roberts about?

is the facility being named after him or is he joining the Pens in a specific role?
- brienstel

Basically the new fitness/personal trainer

http://www.pensburgh.com/...nberry-pens-practice-rink

Fleury and Dupuis are his clients. Haven't heard anything bad from him(I follow him on Twitter) but I feel like he's always on the verge of being too "cheerleader" like
- HopintheCordoba

Perron is one of his guys too...

I feel like Walsh is a bit overboard, but from what I can tell, he is very good at what he does. He gets his clients paid well, and seems to guide them into good situations. But seems to take some stuff public that should be privately addressed. Who knows, maybe they were privately addressed, but it wasn't the outcome he was looking for so he went public.

I like him for the most part on Twitter too, you just have to remember that he is very biased, but with his job he needs to be.

If scuds is playing well enough to be even the number 6 d-man I highly doubt burkle and lemieux pay him not to play. and he is playing well enough to be a number 6. I would be absolutely stunned if pens buy out scuds.
- ChrisMS

I agree that he is still a good player. Although next year, with Maatta back he is not really needed.

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Even if Hoff or Martin resign, he still is not needed. Dumoulin is NHL ready too.

Edit: I wouldn't mind Martin at 5.5 3 years or 2 years for 6. Harrington may also be ready next year, but who knows.

Perron is one of his guys too...

I feel like Walsh is a bit overboard, but from what I can tell, he is very good at what he does. He gets his clients paid well, and seems to guide them into good situations. But seems to take some stuff public that should be privately addressed. Who knows, maybe they were privately addressed, but it wasn't the outcome he was looking for so he went public.

I like him for the most part on Twitter too, you just have to remember that he is very biased, but with his job he needs to be.
- rival22

Possibly. Word was initially that Parenteau was on the market at the deadline and then within 15 minutes McKenzie and some others said he actually wasn't. Makes me wonder where the first bit of info came from. We may never know.

I agree that he is still a good player. Although next year, with Maatta back he is not really needed.

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Even if Hoff or Martin resign, he still is not needed. Dumoulin is NHL ready too.

Edit: I wouldn't mind Martin at 5.5 3 years or 2 years for 6. Harrington may also be ready next year, but who knows.
- znagle

I think I would pass on Ehrhoff and Martin. Ehrhoff I like, but not enough to justify what his cap hit would be.

And Martin, who I love, will be even more expensive and for more term. I just can't see him taking a 2-3 year deal, when he could get 5 out there. Also, Martin has been healthy this season, but that isn't the norm. He could be in and out of the lineup in the years to come.

I think the top 4 is pretty much set for next season, and with Cole, Harrington, Dumoulin, and Scuderi (please buy out... please buy out...), you have some options for the bottom pairing. And cheap veterans are easy to come by, if Harrington and Dumoulin are struggling.

I think I would pass on Ehrhoff and Martin. Ehrhoff I like, but not enough to justify what his cap hit would be.

And Martin, who I love, will be even more expensive and for more term. I just can't see him taking a 2-3 year deal, when he could get 5 out there. Also, Martin has been healthy this season, but that isn't the norm. He could be in and out of the lineup in the years to come.

I think the top 4 is pretty much set for next season, and with Cole, Harrington, Dumoulin, and Scuderi (please buy out... please buy out...), you have some options for the bottom pairing. And cheap veterans are easy to come by, if Harrington and Dumoulin are struggling.
- rival22

I refuse to believe Dumo will struggle!

#1 Dumo fan foam finger

I think I would pass on Ehrhoff and Martin. Ehrhoff I like, but not enough to justify what his cap hit would be.

And Martin, who I love, will be even more expensive and for more term. I just can't see him taking a 2-3 year deal, when he could get 5 out there. Also, Martin has been healthy this season, but that isn't the norm. He could be in and out of the lineup in the years to come.

I think the top 4 is pretty much set for next season, and with Cole, Harrington, Dumoulin, and Scuderi (please buy out... please buy out...), you have some options for the bottom pairing. And cheap veterans are easy to come by, if Harrington and Dumoulin are struggling.
- rival22

I do agree. IMO we do need to sign a dman for 1-2 years though, if Scuderi is not moved.

I agree. We will have plenty of depth too. Doesn't cost all that much against the cap to do it and we will have a bit more to play with. It's around $15M this offseason with his cap still hitting.

Perron is priority for extension. Winnik, Comeau and Downie next in that order. Probably can't do all 3. Maybe we wouldn't anyway. Could negotiate with one of Martin or Ehrhoff. But it's not a killer if they both walk since Cole and Lovejoy were brought in.

Cole can be re-signed for a fair price. We have Harrington and Dumoulin also bucking for time.

Move Sutter for a player if possible but picks if that can be done. Need to recoup some. Play Spaling at 3C if they can't upgrade in FA or in that trade.
- HopintheCordoba

Agreed. I don't think we resign Downie though. I just have a feeling, unless he becomes our Talbot in the playoffs.

Sorry Bartley