Well Phaneuf will be 30 next month. I'm thinking Timonen was about the same age when he first got here. We gave up Coburn for space basically. I think if you could move Umberger to Toronto in the deal in a possible buyout situation, you might be able to afford Dion and we fill a need on the backend. I know it's messy because we still need to resign Voracek, Couturier and possibly Schen. II'm also thinking that we might have to take the hit and buyout Vinny if you can move Umberger cap free.
- SuperSchennBros

The thing with Phaneuf is , he is a good defenseman when he is playing with a reliable partner that can make up for his shortcomings. Realistically you'd want Phaneuf as your #2 or #3 guy paired with a player who is more consistent and not as mistake prone as Phaneuf is in his own end. The Flyers don't have that player to put with Phaneuf.

What did your follower have to say about that?
- Scoob

unfortunately, I didn't see it

His contract would be a tough pill to swallow with the salary problems we already have. He'd definitely make this blueline better, though.

During the deadline stuff, I had heard Toronto was willing to eat a couple million of his salary to make it happen. If they did that, and a reasonable deal could be worked out, I'd be interested. We will need space for the extensions after next season, though.
- BulliesPhan87

He would definitely be an improvement for our defense, but that really not saying a whole lot. His contract isnt worth what he provides IMO.

All players go through slumps so realistically for a team to be successful you are going to need other players to step up and score some goals other than your top offensive guys. The supporting cast just hasn't given the Flyers enough offense this season. You can't be expecting Giroux and Voracek to tear it up like they were all season, its just not going to happen especially when they are the guys driving the majority of all the scoring chances. I believe Giroux and Voracek's slumps have to do in part with frustration and line mates these past couple of weeks. At first I was open to splitting them up but it seems like they play much better together and they should have been in those game against Carolina and Toronto when you desperately need those points.
- FreshFlyer

That sounds plausible. Didn't their slumps start right after they got back from playing with other great players at the All-Star game?

unfortunately, I didn't see it
- BulliesPhan87

Did you see when Buccigross retweeted my pond hockey photo? Sick nasty dangle sauce wit da silky mits brah.

That sounds plausible. Didn't their slumps start right after they got back from playing with other great players at the All-Star game?
- Feanor

hahahaha they got a taste of the finer things in life and that was it. THeir games went down the drain

I've seen a lot of Phaneuf myself and I wouldn't say he's bad. He just needs to simplify his game. He also needs to choose when to make a big hit better. That bad D in Toronto is on the group, just like our D is on the group. It doesn't mean he's a bad player or we are. I think Toronto has had one bad coach after the other since Pat Quinn too.
- SuperSchennBros

The Flyers defence is bad and if you can't see that at this point you must be fooling yourself. Phaneuf coming to this defence would just add to that mediocrity in my opinion. Just another big contract defenseman who isn't playing up to the standard of such a big contract. The Flyers don't need any more of those defenseman and adding Phaneuf just furthers the problem. I'd want to see the Flyers keep their assets or at least keep them and trade them for that true #1 guy if that opportunity arises.

Did you see when Buccigross retweeted my pond hockey photo? Sick nasty dangle sauce wit da silky mits brah.
- jak521

should of told me you had a pond hockey pond man, I would have been there faster than you could say, "get over here, stranger on the internet"

He would definitely be an improvement for our defense, but that really not saying a whole lot. His contract isnt worth what he provides IMO.
- jak521

I'm attaching a lot of ifs to this, which may say something, but it really is only if they eat some salary (so we're only carrying $5m, say), and if we can move other salary off the books. The timing wouldn't work out, but he'd be an asset on the back end that'd help the transition if there was a way.

Well Phaneuf will be 30 next month. I'm thinking Timonen was about the same age when he first got here. We gave up Coburn for space basically. I think if you could move Umberger to Toronto in the deal in a possible buyout situation, you might be able to afford Dion and we fill a need on the backend. I know it's messy because we still need to resign Voracek, Couturier and possibly Schen. II'm also thinking that we might have to take the hit and buyout Vinny if you can move Umberger cap free.
- SuperSchennBros

That's fine. I just don't think it's necessarily a "bridge" is all. Basically, he'd be the elder statesman along with your (hopefully) young core.

The Flyers defence is bad and if you can't see that at this point you must be fooling yourself. Phaneuf coming to this defence would just add to that mediocrity in my opinion. Just another big contract defenseman who isn't playing up to the standard of such a big contract. The Flyers don't need any more of those defenseman and adding Phaneuf just furthers the problem. I'd want to see the Flyers keep their assets or at least keep them and trade them for that true #1 guy if that opportunity arises.
- FreshFlyer

And if it doesn't? Because it seems like that opportunity simply isn't going to arise, let alone anytime soon.

That sounds plausible. Didn't their slumps start right after they got back from playing with other great players at the All-Star game?
- Feanor

I'm not 100 % sure but yeah. It just seems to me like they play better when they are together. Giroux looked a little lost out there at 5v5 without Voracek on his wing. They have been together these past two games and haven't been producing much but once your snake bitten its hard to get things going again. And I'm sure the current state of the team in the playoff race isn't helping their frustration level at all.

I tweeted last night that the 2015 calendar year (taking out the 7 goal and 5 goal outbursts against TB and WPG respectively) we are scoring at a 1.9 GPG pace.... scary!
- jak521

That is what I have been trying to say...

The offense is a bigger concern right now then the defense just because we have multiple defensive prospects on the way but nothing on offense.

That needs to be a priority .

I'd take Phaneuf if Toronto ate some salary and took Amac back in return.
Otherwise not taking on another long term contract that overpays another defenseman.

And if it doesn't? Because it seems like that opportunity simply isn't going to arise, let alone anytime soon.
- BulliesPhan87

Do what this team hasn't been able to ever do because this organization simply lacks the patience, wait for their younger defensive prospects to mature and start having an impact. It may take a while but signing a couple of decent defenders through free agency as stop gaps at an alright cap value until the younger players arrive would be what I would do.

I'd take Phaneuf if Toronto ate some salary and took Amac back in return.
Otherwise not taking on another long term contract that overpays another defenseman.
- Marc D

Double whammy there.

That is what I have been trying to say...

The offense is a bigger concern right now then the defense just because we have multiple defensive prospects on the way but nothing on offense.

That needs to be a priority .
- opeth_pa

Weird, isn't it? For years, the Flyers lacked defensive prospects, and focused all energy on forwards... in particular, centers. Now, we're at the other end of the spectrum, with stacked defensive prospects, but extremely light on viable, NHL-quality forwards. Instead of finding that happy medium on the scale, we just jumped from one side to the other..

I'd take Phaneuf if Toronto ate some salary and took Amac back in return.
Otherwise not taking on another long term contract that overpays another defenseman.
- Marc D

I would do that deal straight up in a heart beat.....Phenuef is a #2....and Macdonald is an average guy on a big contract.....I accept the extra 2 mil a year and do the deal.

they should just give mason the clarke trophy and cancel all other awards, this season has been a joke.

That is what I have been trying to say...

The offense is a bigger concern right now then the defense just because we have multiple defensive prospects on the way but nothing on offense.

That needs to be a priority .
- opeth_pa

The more troubling thing is that their top offensive young players are regressing or not developing as well as hoped. Thats a serious issue. I am willing to chalk this season to a loss to be honest... to many people are too inconsistent.. Even the guys who are usually dominant.

Weird, isn't it? For years, the Flyers lacked defensive prospects, and focused all energy on forwards... in particular, centers. Now, we're at the other end of the spectrum, with stacked defensive prospects, but extremely light on viable, NHL-quality forwards. Instead of finding that happy medium on the scale, we just jumped from one side to the other..
- WarriorHockey21

Yah..

I guess the encouraging thing is we have multiple defensive prospects plus thanks to the deals Hexy made this year a lot of draft picks. Hopefully they use those on getting some offensive depth.

should of told me you had a pond hockey pond man, I would have been there faster than you could say, "get over here, stranger on the internet"
- BulliesPhan87

every year. Case of beer, couple large pies from pinocchios and pond hockey.

I would do that deal straight up in a heart beat.....Phenuef is a #2....and Macdonald is an average guy on a big contract.....I accept the extra 2 mil a year and do the deal.
- landros 2

Toronto wouldn't

Double whammy there.
- wolfhounds

Yeh it would never happen.
But for me that's what it would take.
If they didn't want to eat some salary then I would ask them to take Amac and either 18 or 40.
Even more unlikely.

Yah..

I guess the encouraging thing is we have multiple defensive prospects plus thanks to the deals Hexy made this year a lot of draft picks. Hopefully they use those on getting some offensive depth.
- opeth_pa

That's the only hope that is keeping me going at this point..