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3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Mar 11 @ 9:16 AM ET
Berube coach of the year?
- ob18



Maybe in Mongolia
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 11 @ 9:17 AM ET
Kudos to Mason for speaking up. It's been months of this garbage and he had every right to vent his frustrations. He's arguable been one of the only consistent players all year if not THE only consistent player other than Voracek.
- MatveiDmitrii


Captain says their a playoff team

As long as they believe it in their heart of hearts
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Mar 11 @ 9:18 AM ET
Maybe in Mongolia
- 3flyerkids



thats a good place for him. get it done, hexsteal.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 11 @ 9:20 AM ET
You oughta be run outta town.
- tangent_man


3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Mar 11 @ 9:20 AM ET

- PhillySportsGuy



MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Mar 11 @ 9:20 AM ET
Was thinking the same thing.

Also, he wasn't wrong.

- johndewar



Yep, Neither Mason nor Reese was wrong.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Mar 11 @ 9:21 AM ET

- Guile



Bo Shuda....
ManCity
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pike County, PA
Joined: 05.24.2014

Mar 11 @ 9:28 AM ET
I believe the Flyers are now in the 8th spot in the draft. Realistically I think they can probably only move up one more spot.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 11 @ 9:34 AM ET
I believe the Flyers are now in the 8th spot in the draft. Realistically I think they can probably only move up one more spot.
- ManCity


At the 7th spot, what are the chances of getting the # 1 pick? Like 7% or something right? If you finish with the worst record there is only a 20% chance of landing the top pick I believe.
redcoat75
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 02.05.2013

Mar 11 @ 9:35 AM ET
I agree that Berube had some real head scratching moments, but he was handed a rock and stick and told to fight off the the 10th Armored Cav. Does anyone really think that even Scotty Bowman could have made these scrap pile players contenders?
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Mar 11 @ 9:35 AM ET
I believe the Flyers are now in the 8th spot in the draft. Realistically I think they can probably only move up one more spot.
- ManCity

they will win their last few games to screw everyone
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Mar 11 @ 9:37 AM ET
I agree that Berube had some real head scratching moments, but he was handed a rock and stick and told to fight off the the 10th Armored Cav. Does anyone really think that even Scotty Bowman could have made these scrap pile players contenders?
- redcoat75

between a rock and hard place
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 11 @ 9:38 AM ET
I agree that Berube had some real head scratching moments, but he was handed a rock and stick and told to fight off the the 10th Armored Cav. Does anyone really think that even Scotty Bowman could have made these scrap pile players contenders?
- redcoat75



No, I think Berube is a pretty good coach. I think he get's unfairly blamed for a lot of problems with the team, but that's part of the job. I don't think anyone is ever going to agree with every move a coach makes. I don't feel there are any head scratching moments though.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Mar 11 @ 9:40 AM ET
Flyers have scored more than 3 goals once in the last 18 games. So not only is the defense core a steaming pile of dung, this team can't score goals. The 5x5 play is absolutely pathetic.

I'm glad Mason called out the team yesterday. They hang this guy out to dry so often its ridiculous.

Hextall has a monumental task in front of him, there are no quick fixes, right now an unacceptable product is being put on the ice.

- PLindbergh31



To me, the Offense is a higher priority and more worrying then Defense.

The Flyers have 4 legit defensive prospects on the horizon over the next 1-3 years and they 0 offensive prospects.

Short of Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds they do not currently have another high level offensive player on this team. They do not have an offensive minded 2 line center. I know people will point to Couturier or Schenn but this season neither has produced the way you need a second line center to produce.

On top of no second line center they also have no first line left wing. I don't expect them to have a player of Giroux or Voracek's ability there but they need something better than what they have.

The Offseason can't get here soon enough.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 11 @ 9:41 AM ET
To me, the Offense is a higher priority and more worrying then Defense.

The Flyers have 4 legit defensive prospects on the horizon over the next 1-3 years and they 0 offensive prospects.

Short of Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds they do not currently have another high level offensive player on this team. They do not have an offensive minded 2 line center. I know people will point to Couturier or Schenn but this season neither has produced the way you need a second line center to produce.

On top of no second line center they also have no first line left wing. I don't expect them to have a player of Giroux or Voracek's ability there but they need something better than what they have.

The Offseason can't get here soon enough.

- opeth_pa


No arguments from me. This entire roster with the exeption of a few spots is a complete train wreck.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 11 @ 9:42 AM ET
No, I think Berube is a pretty good coach. I think he get's unfairly blamed for a lot of problems with the team, but that's part of the job. I don't think anyone is ever going to agree with every move a coach makes. I don't feel there are any head scratching moments though.
- MJL


Starting Mason against NJ was one. Bill did a great job of explaining why.

Going back to Rinaldo when he has proven all year that he's not a viable NHL player is another. 44 games, 2 assists, -12, 94 PIM.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Mar 11 @ 9:42 AM ET
No, I think Berube is a pretty good coach. I think he get's unfairly blamed for a lot of problems with the team, but that's part of the job. I don't think anyone is ever going to agree with every move a coach makes. I don't feel there are any head scratching moments though.
- MJL

Whoever takes this one on has my full support and deepest sympathies.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 11 @ 9:43 AM ET
To me, the Offense is a higher priority and more worrying then Defense.

The Flyers have 4 legit defensive prospects on the horizon over the next 1-3 years and they 0 offensive prospects.

Short of Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds they do not currently have another high level offensive player on this team. They do not have an offensive minded 2 line center. I know people will point to Couturier or Schenn but this season neither has produced the way you need a second line center to produce.

On top of no second line center they also have no first line left wing. I don't expect them to have a player of Giroux or Voracek's ability there but they need something better than what they have.

The Offseason can't get here soon enough.

- opeth_pa



I'd love to see a top LW for the first line, but I don't think that should be a priority. I think Raffl would be fine there. I think getting an offensive catalyst for the 2nd line, and the 2nd unit PP is more important.
As far as the defense is concerned, I think giving a timetable of 1-3 years for the young defenseman is optimistic. Hope you're right though. I think catching the defense up to where the forwards are, is the single biggest issue facing this team.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Mar 11 @ 9:44 AM ET
No, I think Berube is a pretty good coach. I think he get's unfairly blamed for a lot of problems with the team, but that's part of the job. I don't think anyone is ever going to agree with every move a coach makes. I don't feel there are any head scratching moments though.
- MJL


None? Really?

Pulling Zepp after 2 goals that he simply got beat on to put in Mason, who was coming off surgery and wasn't "ready to start", but could come in cold?

That's just one, and I gotta go. I can't wait to see how this one pans out.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Mar 11 @ 9:45 AM ET
I don't think Berube is an amazing coach but for those making him the scapegoat does a different coach do the following?

1. Make Couturier, Read and Schenn bury any of the chances they had this year?
2. Turn any of their dmen into a One or Two?
3. Not have Giroux, Simmonds and Voracek disappear for long periods of time?


Berube is a big part of the problem, no doubt but a bigger part of the problem is their is not enough talent on this team and Bowman+Babcock+Chip Kelly wouldn't automatically make players more talented.

tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Mar 11 @ 9:45 AM ET
Whoever takes this one on has my full support and deepest sympathies.
- hereticpride



MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 11 @ 9:46 AM ET
Starting Mason against NJ was one. Bill did a great job of explaining why.

Going back to Rinaldo when he has proven all year that he's not a viable NHL player is another. 44 games, 2 assists, -12, 94 PIM.

- Feanor



I disagree that starting Mason against NJ was a bad move. I think it was the absolute right decision.

As far as Rinaldo, before last night, he played a couple of solid games. When he's right, he is an NHL player. He just needs to learn some hard lessons, and I don't disagree with anyone saying that he needed further punishment from the team.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 11 @ 9:46 AM ET
They can keep all the trophies this year. It's taken them til March to get mad at the way they're playing. Maybe a year without even team hardware will make a statement.

- tangent_man


I voted for Mason but I agree with your sentiment.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 11 @ 9:46 AM ET
At the 7th spot, what are the chances of getting the # 1 pick? Like 7% or something right? If you finish with the worst record there is only a 20% chance of landing the top pick I believe.
- PLindbergh31

6.5% for 7th, and indeed only 20% for last overall

All the odds:
http://www.mynhldraft.com...draft/draft-lottery-odds/
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Mar 11 @ 9:46 AM ET
I think catching the defense up to where the forwards are, is the single biggest issue facing this team.
- MJL


Catching the defense up to a crap offense that if you shut down the only 3 legit offensive threats or those 3 threats cool off you have nothing.

God ..this team is terribad this season.
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