the whole point in choosing now to go nuts over the Rangers cap issues is pointless.

Adding Yandle for 2.625 million next year is the only thing that has changed, and that is such a bargain it's ridiculous. (Zuccarello went from 3.5 to 4.5 million which is another bargain)

They probably will have to make a move to get under the cap, but it's far from cap hell

Wow, your really gonna make me type this out huh?

Nash $7.8
Brassard $5
Zucc $4.5
Kreider $2.475
Moore $1.5
Glass $1.45
Hayes $900K

Girardi $5.5
McDonagh $4.7
Staal $5.7
Boyle $4.5
Yandle $2.625
Klein $2.9

Lundqvist $8.5
Talbot $1.45


Thats $59.5M. And you can speculate all you want on where you THINK the cap will be, I however will base my arguments on what statements the NHL actual released.
- xcheckmajor

The NHL has not released an official statement saying what the cap will be next season.

Lol
- xcheckmajor

- Mr_Underwood

^ yes!

so how much does Stepan ask for? I'd assume more than 5.5. If brassard is worth 5, i'd assume step an believes he's worth a million more
- SteveJ123

Its a debate who the #1 truly is. Both are 1 and 1B on this team. Stepan is scoring at a hair above Brassard's pace but he's less consistent than Brass is. I think $5M for Brass will actual help ground Stepan's desires. He may want a little more, but I think $5.5M per long term is a good deal for both sides. Stepan is gonna be the tough one, he's given Sather a hard time before. He may want something more like $6M long term but I think Slats has a knack of getting some really good contracts done. If Step gets $6M, MSL is done...or MSL signs a $1M dollar contract with bonuses.

Also as pointed out earlier, Boyle could very well be traded over the summer now that Yandle has landed. That would solve everything. An extra $4.5M could bring in some solid depth forwards as well as a good 6th Dman.

Its a debate who the #1 truly is. Both are 1 and 1B on this team. Stepan is scoring at a hair above Brassard's pace but he's less consistent than Brass is. I think $5M for Brass will actual help ground Stepan's desires. He may want a little more, but I think $5.5M per long term is a good deal for both sides. Stepan is gonna be the tough one, he's given Sather a hard time before. He may want something more like $6M long term but I think Slats has a knack of getting some really good contracts done. If Step gets $6M, MSL is done...or MSL signs a $1M dollar contract with bonuses.
- xcheckmajor

Stepan will want a lot of money. He is one of the top centres on a good team. Maybe someone will sign him to an offer sheet. He would be worth giving up a 1st round pick for.

Its a debate who the #1 truly is. Both are 1 and 1B on this team. Stepan is scoring at a hair above Brassard's pace but he's less consistent than Brass is. I think $5M for Brass will actual help ground Stepan's desires. He may want a little more, but I think $5.5M per long term is a good deal for both sides. Stepan is gonna be the tough one, he's given Sather a hard time before. He may want something more like $6M long term but I think Slats has a knack of getting some really good contracts done. If Step gets $6M, MSL is done...or MSL signs a $1M dollar contract with bonuses.
- xcheckmajor

really fair way of putting it. If I'm Stepan I'm demanding 6 because i'm 24 and could be (will be) way better by the time i'm 27. For years it looked like Brassard was kind of lost and now he's finally found his scoring touch worth a 6th overall pick. Stepan at 27 will be better than brassard at 27 in my opinion, so I'd be asking for 6. As far at St. Louis goes, he's a huge part of making the rangers a contender, it would be a team changer without him.

Stepan will want a lot of money. He is one of the top centres on a good team. Maybe someone will sign him to an offer sheet. He would be worth giving up a 1st round pick for.
- woopstash

this is the offer sheet compensation:

Cap Hit of offer sheet Draft Pick Compensation
$1,110,249 or below None
Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 Third-round pick
Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 Second-round pick
Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 First-round and third-round pick
Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 First-round, second-round and third-round pick
Over $6,728,781 to $8,410,976 Two first-round picks, second-round pick, third-round pick
Over $8,410,976 Four first-round picks

to make an offer sheet that the Rangers wouldn't match, probably would be in the 7 million range I bolded, which you see the compensation for.

this is the offer sheet compensation:

Cap Hit of offer sheet Draft Pick Compensation
$1,110,249 or below None
Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 Third-round pick
Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 Second-round pick
Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 First-round and third-round pick
Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 First-round, second-round and third-round pick
Over $6,728,781 to $8,410,976 Two first-round picks, second-round pick, third-round pick
Over $8,410,976 Four first-round picks

to make an offer sheet that the Rangers wouldn't match, probably would be in the 7 million range I bolded, which you see the compensation for.
- jimbro83

I am aware of the compensation. Someone could sign him to a 6.7 million/year contract and only give up one 1st round pick. That is worth it. Rangers would match it but then they would be paying him a lot then. That's why they won't be able to re-sign him for 5 - 5.5 million. They will need to pay him at least 6.

I am aware of the compensation. Someone could sign him to a 6.7 million/year contract and only give up one 1st round pick. That is worth it. Rangers would match it but then they would be paying him a lot then. That's why they won't be able to re-sign him for 5 - 5.5 million. They will need to pay him at least 6.
- woopstash

nobody has ever signed a Ranger RFA to an offer sheet, I will believe it when I see it

nobody has ever signed a Ranger RFA to an offer sheet, I will believe it when I see it
- jimbro83

Oh, good point, that means it will never happen.

Oh, good point, that means it will never happen.
- woopstash

I think I'll be able to sleep well until the summer comes regardless

Oh, good point, that means it will never happen.
- woopstash

It never happens anywhere. The few times in recent history that is has, the teams have matched.

It never happens anywhere. The few times in recent history that is has, the teams have matched.
- eichiefs9

Can't wait til Boston offer sheet's Hamilton

Oh, good point, that means it will never happen.
- woopstash

Do you think any GM really wants to make an enemy out of Glen Sather and the Ranger's organization? A lot of good players come from deals with this team and thats a bridge you really don't wanna burn.

But either ways, Stepan will be signed. We don't have another course of action for a center right now. Stepan sat out once before, not sure if he's willing to do it again. He knows Sather won't be outmuscled by holding out. Especially when Hayes is emerging on our roster. Let Step sit out October and November. Hayes will be a permanent #2 Center and Brass #1, with Moore on 3 and Lindberg on 4. If that happens, Stepan will lose an entire year of his NHL career if he doesn't jump to sign in December. Thats another plus for the Rangers, they are that good right now that you aren't gonna leverage them by not playing. I love Step, but he's not gonna a penny more than $6M per year...if that... He's still a 24 year old RFA...lets keep that in mind. What is suppose to be when he's UFA, $10M? He's not Toews or Kane or Datsyuk. He still has to prove he can play a full season at 1ppg breaking 80pts.

It never happens anywhere. The few times in recent history that is has, the teams have matched.
- eichiefs9

Rangers would for sure match. I'm not saying they won't. I'm simply saying it could drive the price for Stepan higher than Sather would like.

Its a debate who the #1 truly is. Both are 1 and 1B on this team. Stepan is scoring at a hair above Brassard's pace but he's less consistent than Brass is. I think $5M for Brass will actual help ground Stepan's desires. He may want a little more, but I think $5.5M per long term is a good deal for both sides. Stepan is gonna be the tough one, he's given Sather a hard time before. He may want something more like $6M long term but I think Slats has a knack of getting some really good contracts done. If Step gets $6M, MSL is done...or MSL signs a $1M dollar contract with bonuses.

Also as pointed out earlier, Boyle could very well be traded over the summer now that Yandle has landed. That would solve everything. An extra $4.5M could bring in some solid depth forwards as well as a good 6th Dman.
- xcheckmajor

Just curious as to how the Rangers cap situation looks after next season. Seeing a lot of we will be fine just give St.Louis low contract with lots of performance bonuses. I think they would have to be pretty easy to hit bonuses for him to take that low of a base salary and bonus overages are added to the next seasons cap hit.

Rangers would for sure match. I'm not saying they won't. I'm simply saying it could drive the price for Stepan higher than Sather would like.
- woopstash

It's an extremely rare occurrence regardless of the outcome. I find it beyond highly unlikely that anyone is going to offer sheet him.

Just curious as to how the Rangers cap situation looks after next season. Seeing a lot of we will be fine just give St.Louis low contract with lots of performance bonuses. I think they would have to be pretty easy to hit bonuses for him to take that low of a base salary and bonus overages are added to the next seasons cap hit.
- jbs32

I honestly don't think we will be signing MSL for more than 1 more year. And I don't think we can't replace him next year if he doesn't sign. Going on the notion that he wants to retire in NY and doesn't want to move anymore. Plus, winning the cup has a lot to do with it. If we don't win this year, where will he go that he'll have a better chance? Kreider will need to be resigned next year as well as Kevin Hayes, Yandle and Talbot. There will be some moving around but MSL is honestly not part of this teams core. He's an outstanding compliment and veteran tutor, but not part of the future core.

This is a horrible analogy.

This is a horrible analogy.
- Blackstrom2

Ummmmm....kaaaaay...

I honestly don't think we will be signing MSL for more than 1 more year. And I don't think we can't replace him next year if he doesn't sign. Going on the notion that he wants to retire in NY and doesn't want to move anymore. Plus, winning the cup has a lot to do with it. If we don't win this year, where will he go that he'll have a better chance? Kreider will need to be resigned next year as well as Kevin Hayes, Yandle and Talbot. There will be some moving around but MSL is honestly not part of this teams core. He's an outstanding compliment and veteran tutor, but not part of the future core.
- xcheckmajor

While that's all true all I was saying was incentive laden deals would potentially lead to cap hits the next year whether he's there or not or possibly discipline from the league similar to Kovalchuk for cap circumvention. I was just wondering if they had more space the next year cuz then they incentive laden could make sense. Also your right and money has never been the driving factor behind St.Louis signings he's very much about family location and competitiveness but there still would be a limit to how low he would go you'd have to imagine.

I honestly don't think we will be signing MSL for more than 1 more year. And I don't think we can't replace him next year if he doesn't sign. Going on the notion that he wants to retire in NY and doesn't want to move anymore. Plus, winning the cup has a lot to do with it. If we don't win this year, where will he go that he'll have a better chance? Kreider will need to be resigned next year as well as Kevin Hayes, Yandle and Talbot. There will be some moving around but MSL is honestly not part of this teams core. He's an outstanding compliment and veteran tutor, but not part of the future core.
- xcheckmajor

While that's all true all I was saying was incentive laden deals would potentially lead to cap hits the next year whether he's there or not or possibly discipline from the league similar to Kovalchuk for cap circumvention. I was just wondering if they had more space the next year cuz then they incentive laden could make sense. Also your right and money has never been the driving factor behind St.Louis signings he's very much about family location and competitiveness but there still would be a limit to how low he would go you'd have to imagine.

Mtl entering cup window. Like Nashville and NYI.

Chicago, LA, NYR will not be there for long.

Mtl entering cup window. Like Nashville and NYI.

Chicago, LA, NYR will not be there for long.
- soad_live

Need a starting goalie, IMHO tbh.