The biggest reason the Flyers are a 21st place team, is because they lack a legitimate top defense pair. The secondary contracts aren't what prevented the Flyers from having a top defense pairing. More of reactionary to the career ending injury to Pronger. Losing Timonen to the clot issue also hurt. I have no doubt that if he played this season, the Flyers would be a much better team. They also had significant injuries that led to Coburn missing time, as well as Mason. If Mason had been healthy all year, I'd speculate the Flyers would have a better record.
They have some things to work out, no doubt. I still believe in the core of this team, and the future of this team. I think the situation is not as bleak as many make it out to be.
- MJL

Don't care what your opinion is, but thanks for sharing.

They will probably sign Revis and Cromartie.
- PLindbergh31

I think they will want someone younger. Byron Maxwell or Devin McCourty maybe

Didn't McCoy lead the league in rushing playing in that offense?
- MJL

i think mccoy has a good bit of talent left, in chips system or any other.

but facts are facts. he has maybe 2 years left of being a prime player. just the nature of his position. it really is a cheaper position now, and committing big dollars to a guy who expires fast is typically bad business in today's nfl.

if alonso is healthy, he is very young. could be a centerpiece for the next 8 years in virtually any defensive scheme. id argue that a stud LB is worth more than a stud RB

So
Sixers trade MCW
Flyers trade Kimmo and Coburn
Eagles trade McCoy

Hamels, Howard, Lee and Utley should probably pack their bags
- PhillySportsGuy

Hamels and Utley maybe. Howard is less tradeable than Vinny

...and some Twitter wit just tweeted that the Sixers will be receiving yet another 2nd round pick as part of the McCoy trade.

i think mccoy has a good bit of talent left, in chips system or any other.

but facts are facts. he has maybe 2 years left of being a prime player. just the nature of his position. it really is a cheaper position now, and committing big dollars to a guy who expires fast is typically bad business in today's nfl.

if alonso is healthy, he is very young. could be a centerpiece for the next 8 years in virtually any defensive scheme. id argue that a stud LB is worth more than a stud RB
- stayinthefnnet

I don't know much about Alonso. But why would a Rex Ryan team trade defense for offense? Doesn't really fit his MO.

i was surprised to see that they couldnt come to terms with a restructure for cole.

yeah the money is definitely there.

i really dont think maclin is a true number one, but he has value to the eagles. he just isnt someone that i would want to commit top dollar to.

i would look to bring him back, but there should also be a glut of veterans available at the position.

the secondary HAS to be addressed. maxwell doesnt strike me as an uber stud, but hes the best out there right now. mccorty might be available as well.
- stayinthefnnet

The move gives the Eagles a great tandem of MLBs.

They definitely need to keep Maclin. He's not great, but they can't enter a season with Matthews, Huff and Cooper

Yeah. The Eagles also threw in the dead rat that clown Didinger wears on his head.
- PLindbergh31

Selectivity is the key. You can't have 3 or 4 guys who are no better than a 4th defenseman making $3mm or more. It gobbles up cap room and limits what you can do.

I don't give a rat's ass about having cap space, I care about having a huge contract on a secondary player that basically renders him unmoveable or at the very least limits his trade value.

I don't need to win the "Most Salary Cap Room" Cup, but I also think that it's foolish to have the highest payroll in the NHL and ice a 21st place team.
- Jsaquella

exactly. selectivity is the name of the game.

everyone should have seen the fact that the vinny deal was a killer from the start.

i will admit though, i thought streit was going to be right up there, and he's been very much as advertised.

i think mccoy has a good bit of talent left, in chips system or any other.

but facts are facts. he has maybe 2 years left of being a prime player. just the nature of his position. it really is a cheaper position now, and committing big dollars to a guy who expires fast is typically bad business in today's nfl.

if alonso is healthy, he is very young. could be a centerpiece for the next 8 years in virtually any defensive scheme. id argue that a stud LB is worth more than a stud RB
- stayinthefnnet

I agree, I think that's what it's about.

was vinny part f the package for McCoy, cause if not, I want no part of it.

Well said, dude!!

You're throwin rocks tonight!!

The Vinny signing is the one that just exasperates me. There was just no need to go out and sign an aging scoring center who was on the decline. None. At least AMac is serviceable, just overpaid. Vinny, though, man, what a cluster(frank).

I know you don't love the Schultz signing, but at least its only a 2 year deal at a reasonable cost. Plus I think he's the type of guy that can be successfully paired with a youngster in a year or 2.
- BiggE

I understand the Schultz signing, and it's a short term fairly low money deal for a guy that came in and played well. I don't hate the Schultz deal. I don't mind MacDonald. Looking at the rest of the defense, I wouldn't be healthy scratching him. I just dislike his deal for what he is.

Vinny was a tragic mistake. I liked it when it happened. Had no idea how badly he had slipped. Worse, he doesn't seem to have much drive, outside of the first few games after a run as a scratch

exactly. selectivity is the name of the game.

everyone should have seen the fact that the vinny deal was a killer from the start.

i will admit though, i thought streit was going to be right up there, and he's been very much as advertised.
- stayinthefnnet

I think the back injury was a big factor there.

Don't care what your opinion is, but thanks for sharing.
- Jsaquella

You had me at "don't care what your opinion is"

I don't know much about Alonso. But why would a Rex Ryan team trade defense for offense? Doesn't really fit his MO.
- PLindbergh31

i was also a big time sucker for spiller's talent.

i really thought he just wasnt used properly, and could have been a big time player.

I think they will want someone younger. Byron Maxwell or Devin McCourty maybe
- PhillySportsGuy

I keep hearing Maxwell's name mentioned, although that may be more wishful thinking than anything else. However, they probably now have enough cap room to make a Homer-esque overpayment that no one in the NFL will want to or be able to match.

my question about Maxwell though is: Is he really that good or is he benefiting from playing alongside Sherman, Chancellor, and Thomas?

I think the back injury was a big factor there.
- MJL

could have been.

but injury is one of the risks that should be taken into the equation with an older player, especially one who was already visibly on the decline.

i was also a big time sucker for spiller's talent.

i really thought he just wasnt used properly, and could have been a big time player.
- stayinthefnnet

The problem with Spiller is durability. He's always hurt.

The move gives the Eagles a great tandem of MLBs.

They definitely need to keep Maclin. He's not great, but they can't enter a season with Matthews, Huff and Cooper
- PhillySportsGuy

no no, i agree, you cant. i dont care about the system, but that would be murderously unfair to foles.

maclin would be nice because you know he works, and have the familiarity, but if he is going to bend you over the barrel, there are other options.

exactly. selectivity is the name of the game.

everyone should have seen the fact that the vinny deal was a killer from the start.

i will admit though, i thought streit was going to be right up there, and he's been very much as advertised.
- stayinthefnnet

I agree. I liked Vinny, but man, he's just been awful.

My view is, if I'm going to overpay, let's do it on a guy who fills a primary need and role. You want to overpay a top defenseman? Sure. Because he's going to play half the game and be a vital cog. You don't overpay the 4th, 5th and 6th defensemen. You can get what they bring from cheaper sources.

could have been.

but injury is one of the risks that should be taken into the equation with an older player, especially one who was already visibly on the decline.
- stayinthefnnet

In his last season at TB, he scored at a 67 point pace. Injury can happen to any player, young or old. Plenty of players play at a high level well into their 30's.

The problem with Spiller is durability. He's always hurt.
- PLindbergh31

that is true. availability is a big part of the game.

but even when healthy, he never put up numbers like he should. and he is absolutely electric. some of it can be attributed to not knowing when to take whats there, but his use was atrocious. repeatedly attempted to use him as some sort of ram up the middle.

I keep hearing Maxwell's name mentioned, although that may be more wishful thinking than anything else. However, they probably now have enough cap room to make a Homer-esque overpayment that no one in the NFL will want to or be able to match.

my question about Maxwell though is: Is he really that good or is he benefiting from playing alongside Sherman, Chancellor, and Thomas?
- Doc_Sarcasm

He's good. People said the same thing about Brouner when he went to the Pats last year. He has been very good for the Pats

You had me at "don't care what your opinion is"

- BiggE

It's just the truth.

Shady traded?