Yes. In MacDonald's case, as long as he has he has a decent season or two in upcoming seasons, the contract won't look so bad as D-man salaries continue to inflate.
- bmeltzer

Also in a couple seasons he won't have as much time left on the deal

My issue with Mac Donald has always been that I think the contract is too much for what he brings. I don't think he's a bad player, but with the contract he signed it's almost as if he has to be a core piece

So, if he traded Amac/Umberger, that wouldn't count as a trade that changed the roster?
- jmatchett383

I don't think you understand that this isn't what I was talking about, nor do I care about the point that your trying to make because it's not the one I was making. I would feel better about adding something different to our roster. End of story.

think he will ever see the NHL?
- Marc D

It would not surprise me. His ceiling isnt especially high, but if he can bring his solid defense to the next level, he could easily be a 4th liner in a year or two.

will you guys quit making fun of goulbourne when he cracks the flyer's line up?

Ahhh okay I understand. They might actually be in their best possible forms (moreso Giroux than voracek), but again, these are two elite players in the league. There won't be anything drastic as far as production drop off. As far as other players, we need to hope some forwards develop, we need to hope that couturier and laughton have an offensive "breakout" of some sorts, even with our stellar d prospects when they're ready, we can't rely solely on g and jake for offense. Secondary scoring is a must on ANY cup contending team. Especially in the playoffs.
- benjichronic

I really like seeing Couts with Jake

That is a line that should (and will need to) generate offense on 5 vs 5

But at the same time Giroux's even strength offense will be hurt (it is already not great)

they definitely need another top six winger who can score

Raffl is fine in his role but is not truly a top line wing

You could even say the same about Simmonds who at even strength is a borderline top line winger. I think you can argue that Simmonds is a top line winger but my point is they need another guy as well

I guess that's why we may see BSchenn go for a more natural top six wing, or at least why people talk about it

Also in a couple seasons he won't have as much time left on the deal

My issue with Mac Donald has always been that I think the contract is too much for what he brings. I don't think he's a bad player, but with the contract he signed it's almost as if he has to be a core piece
- Jsaquella

I'll never understand how he went from 575,000 to 6,250,000 a season.

I got like 2 grand last season and we went out and bought $75 worth of seafood.

Where are you getting $6,250,000 from?

was it ever confirmed whether the 3rd round pick is the Oilers or Tampa's?
- nastyflyergirl

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=755980

The Philadelphia Flyers have acquired 6-0, 204-lb D Radko Gudas from the Tampa Bay Lightning, along with Tampa Bay’s 1st and 3rd-round picks in the 2015 NHL Entry Draft, in exchange for D Braydon Coburn, according to general manager Ron Hextall.

will you guys quit making fun of goulbourne when he cracks the flyer's line up?
- 2Real

yes. absolutely. unless he's a flaming train wreck out there like the original rinaldo.

think he will ever see the NHL?
- Marc D

Yes. I believe he's an NHL player. His roster spot with the Flyers will depend on how much lower end junk they can jettison the next year.

Also in a couple seasons he won't have as much time left on the deal

My issue with Mac Donald has always been that I think the contract is too much for what he brings. I don't think he's a bad player, but with the contract he signed it's almost as if he has to be a core piece
- Jsaquella

The one metric MacDonald excels at blocked shots is way down. How do we account for this? I hope it's not a case of being comfortable having a long term contract taking his courage away.

I'll never understand how he went from 575,000 to 6,250,000 a season.

I got like 2 grand last season and we went out and bought $75 worth of seafood.
- mayorofangrytown

UFA
Flyers needed D
they traded two picks for him as a rental and it increased the pressure to sign him
they paid UFA fair value++ for him

Where are you getting $6,250,000 from?



http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=755980

The Philadelphia Flyers have acquired 6-0, 204-lb D Radko Gudas from the Tampa Bay Lightning, along with Tampa Bay’s 1st and 3rd-round picks in the 2015 NHL Entry Draft, in exchange for D Braydon Coburn, according to general manager Ron Hextall.
- Feanor

4,250,000 base plus 2 mil bonus.

edit: The most affordable yr of his contract is next yr where he grosses less than 5 mil

The one metric MacDonald excels at blocked shots is way down. How do we account for this? I hope it's not a case of being comfortable having a long term contract taking his courage away.
- PLindbergh31

He's the 2nd best regular dman on the Flyers at not allowing shot attempts this season, which include blocks.

Yes. I believe he's an NHL player. His roster spot with the Flyers will depend on how much lower end junk they can jettison the next year.
- mayorofangrytown

Rinaldo to the AHL easy

the other 4th liners such as VLC and Umby are harder, just a bit harder to jettison

I guess the question is... is Ghoul better then Vandevelde/White/PEB

4,250,000 base plus 2 mil bonus.
- mayorofangrytown

The signing bonus isn't in addition to $4,250,00 he's been paid this season. It's included, like with every NHL contract.

http://wayback.archive.or...//capgeek.com/player/1110

Giroux isn't getting $15 million this season. He just got half of his $10 million for 14-15 up front.

http://wayback.archive.or...://capgeek.com/player/748

Why? Shultz is only signed for 2 years and to expect the prospects to be ready is just unreasonable. If they are great but guys usually spend years in the minors before coming up. Average I would say is 21-22 years old. Best Case Scenario is they will all be up in 2 years but realistically it will be longer. If they are you can deal Shultz. Rinaldo is a waste of a roster spot like Rosehill
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Looking at the prices at the TDL, I think the Flyers might have gotten a 2nd for Schultz. It's a minor issue. It's a small, short deal and not a big issue. I just would have liked to add even more picks and then pursued Schultz as a UFA.

I don't have a big problem with the contract though. Rinaldo's extension I just flat (frank)ing hate. I don't like the player I don't really want him on the roster and honestly I think it's a completely wasted space

Rinaldo to the AHL easy

the other 4th liners such as VLC and Umby are harder, just a bit harder to jettison

I guess the question is... is Ghoul better then Vandevelde/White/PEB
- Marc D

If only it was. Since Rinaldo first appeared in the NHL, how many times has he been sent to the AHL?

Rinaldo to the AHL easy

the other 4th liners such as VLC and Umby are harder, just a bit harder to jettison

I guess the question is... is Ghoul better then Vandevelde/White/PEB
- Marc D

I've seen him play a lot in the last two yrs. I can't tell you that. Let's see how he does in the AHL first. He should be able to excel. His greatest attribute is his speed. That should help him adjust.

The one metric MacDonald excels at blocked shots is way down. How do we account for this? I hope it's not a case of being comfortable having a long term contract taking his courage away.
- PLindbergh31

McDonald's other metrics have been much improved this year as Berube has used him a more secondary role. He's not defending as much as in the past because he's not seeing the same amount of minutes or the same level of competition, which is probably the reason the shot block numbers are lower

If only it was. Since Rinaldo first appeared in the NHL, how many times has he been sent to the AHL?
- PLindbergh31

Berube may not be here next year

Rinaldo has very little rope left

The signing bonus isn't addition to $4,250,00 he's been paid this season. It's included, like with every NHL contract.

http://wayback.archive.or...//capgeek.com/player/1110

Giroux isn't getting $15 million this season. He just got half of his $10 million for 14-15 up front.

http://wayback.archive.or...://capgeek.com/player/748
- Feanor

I had to go by another site. They didn't break it out that way. They made it look like it totaled.

That's on me.

I had to go by another site. They didn't break it out that way. They made it look like it totaled.

That's on me.
- mayorofangrytown

No problem. I've seen plenty of media people get it confused.

yes. absolutely. unless he's a flaming train wreck out there like the original rinaldo.
- Doc_Sarcasm

Not me. Never gonna happen unless there's some sort of post-Christmas miracle, like that lame ass chump Coburn netting the Flyers a 1st round pick +. And we all know, since he sucks so bad, that's not gonna happen. Poor Ghoul.

was it ever confirmed whether the 3rd round pick is the Oilers or Tampa's?
- nastyflyergirl

Tampa's.

I really like seeing Couts with Jake

That is a line that should (and will need to) generate offense on 5 vs 5

But at the same time Giroux's even strength offense will be hurt (it is already not great)

they definitely need another top six winger who can score

Raffl is fine in his role but is not truly a top line wing

You could even say the same about Simmonds who at even strength is a borderline top line winger. I think you can argue that Simmonds is a top line winger but my point is they need another guy as well

I guess that's why we may see BSchenn go for a more natural top six wing, or at least why people talk about it
- Marc D

I agree with everything you've said. I like raffl, but he's not a top line winger. Simmonds I think is blossoming into a top line winger more and more each year. He's starting to shoot a lot more now, he's scoring off the rush, added some valuable tools to his offensive skillset. Last year I feel like he was pretty one dimensional offensively- scored all his goals in close in front of the net.