hahahaahah!! f the flyers!!
- mattstake

meh

i do feel bad for them.

then the fact that people think that guys like stamkos or JT will want to bolt there for a hero's return.

why. just why.
- stayinthefnnet

Classic case of they build you up to tear you down

Classic case of they build you up to tear you down
- AllInForFlyers

So the Toronto Maple Leafs are a female teenage pop sensation?

So the Toronto Maple Leafs are a female teenage pop sensation?
- jmatchett383

Both do revel in drama

So the Toronto Maple Leafs are a female teenage pop sensation?
- jmatchett383

Do people want to take selfies with them?

Yes? Yes
No? No

Classic case of they build you up to tear you down
- AllInForFlyers

he is pricey, but when you think about it, bobby ryan isnt much cheaper, and kessel is better.

yeah, maybe not the best 2 way guy, but he plays without a good center and is consistently a 35 goals in the bank guy. that is rare in this league.

maybe not the best fit cap wise for every team, but the dude can (frank)ing play.

he is pricey, but when you think about it, bobby ryan isnt much cheaper, and kessel is better.

yeah, maybe not the best 2 way guy, but he plays without a good center and is consistently a 35 goals in the bank guy. that is rare in this league.

maybe not the best fit cap wise for every team, but the dude can (frank)ing play.
- stayinthefnnet

But is he from South Jersey?

he is pricey, but when you think about it, bobby ryan isnt much cheaper, and kessel is better.

yeah, maybe not the best 2 way guy, but he plays without a good center and is consistently a 35 goals in the bank guy. that is rare in this league.

maybe not the best fit cap wise for every team, but the dude can (frank)ing play.
- stayinthefnnet

Problem with Kessel is that he shows up every 10 games or so. He is a legitimate one dimensional player. I would want no part of his 56M dollar deal. Rather spend money else where

Problem with Kessel is that he shows up every 10 games or so. He is a legitimate one dimensional player. I would want no part of his 56M dollar deal. Rather spend money else where
- 3flyerkids

i agree that the cap hit is massive, especially for a largely one dimensional winger.

however, its hard for me to say that he shows up once every ten games or so, if only because of his numbers being where they are, year in and year out.

But is he from South Jersey?
- jmatchett383

yeah yeah.

but seriously, i dont hear near the amount of grief for ryan and his deal as you do for kessel.

yeah, ryan may be a better two way guy, but its not as if he is a hossa in his own zone.

and kessel is better offensively.

he is pricey, but when you think about it, bobby ryan isnt much cheaper, and kessel is better.

yeah, maybe not the best 2 way guy, but he plays without a good center and is consistently a 35 goals in the bank guy. that is rare in this league.

maybe not the best fit cap wise for every team, but the dude can (frank)ing play.
- stayinthefnnet

That is the weird part

Kessel is good for all that he wants to be: Score goals, then go home. It's just a job to him. He's never worn a letter, never been that kind of guy

Phaneuf is more vocal, has more swagger. He does want to wear letters and be seen, be the captain. He makes $7 million per year, which is a ton and he is overpaid, but he is a legit No. 3 defender and there are far worse players than him in the league -- hell, he'd be playing 23-25 minutes for the Flyers

So the question becomes this: How much criticism do they have to take, about their character and dedication to winning, before it becomes out of proportion to what they do to help them win?

It's not all their fault. Along with JVR and Morgan Reilly, they are the best players on the team. But Kessel and Phaneuf are only two guys. How much blame can one player take for a team that has been that bad for this long?

You can't hide from some of it, due the salaries they make. But at some point, it does go beyond what they do on any given night -- if Kessel scores a goal and Phaneuf isn't on for one, and they lose 2-1, is that really their fault?

All you can hope for is that the young D they've accumulated have accelerated growth spurts. Gostisbehere Should have been a full on contributor next year but that was the real tragedy for this season, him losing a season.
- mayorofangrytown

Nah, I am hoping for better then that.

I guess if they go into next season with same D as we see on the roster tonight then OK, they are still in closet tank mode for another year.

But there is another option to get better next year.

The way I see it they would have to package an asset (and probably something that would hurt) and trade Amac to get that contract off the books, to open up the space to go for an upgrade via UFA. Amac at 5M per vs someone like Paul Martin, Boychuck etc at 6-7M, would be a very good upgrade.

They would have to include something really good to move Amac but it is doable.

Nothing against Amac, I feel he is a solid NHL defenseman and would actually be able to play and help other NHL teams. As compared to VLC who I don't see being able to help anyone at this point.

The problem with Amac is for the dollars he isn't what the Flyers need. imo opinion of course.

They can go the easier route, just keep the same D, wait for the youth, and hope G and Jake stay great into their early 30s. Maybe pick up another patch work D that might help, but not really an all roles type defenseman. Keep the asset that would be needed to move Amac's deal and wait it out.

At this point I cringe if they bring back the same D and just patch it up.
Maybe Hexy is accumulating draft picks to use to get some of the bad contracts off the books and be able to have the cap space to improve next year. I hope so, personally.

Didn't they just do that by trading Coburn?
- jmatchett383

Is this a serious question? We didn't add, we divided one player that we barely had all season. The roster has been virtually the same since October.

That is the weird part

Kessel is good for all that he wants to be: Score goals, then go home. It's just a job to him. He's never worn a letter, never been that kind of guy

Phaneuf is more vocal, has more swagger. He does want to wear letters and be seen, be the captain. He makes $7 million per year, which is a ton and he is overpaid, but he is a legit No. 3 defender and there are far worse players than him in the league -- hell, he'd be playing 23-25 minutes for the Flyers

So the question becomes this: How much criticism do they have to take, about their character and dedication to winning, before it becomes out of proportion to what they do to help them win?

It's not all their fault. Along with JVR and Morgan Reilly, they are the best players on the team. But Kessel and Phaneuf are only two guys. How much blame can one player take for a team that has been that bad for this long?

You can't hide from some of it, due the salaries they make. But at some point, it does go beyond what they do on any given night -- if Kessel scores a goal and Phaneuf isn't on for one, and they lose 2-1, is that really their fault?
- AllInForFlyers

they have the issue that braydon coburn had in philly, but extrapolated to super star aspiration proportionality.

kessel is a very good player. but he isnt, and will never be, what he is expected to be there.

same with phaneuf.

both are overpaid. and there isnt anyone else there to really be "the guy", and there isnt enough talent and depth throughout the lineup to make up for it through a complete and balanced team.

it is a ship that simply cannot float as currently constructed.

Nah, I am hoping for better then that.

I guess if they go into next season with same D as we see on the roster tonight then OK, they are still in closet tank mode for another year.

But there is another option to get better next year.

The way I see it they would have to package an asset (and probably something that would hurt) and trade Amac to get that contract off the books, to open up the space to go for an upgrade via UFA. Amac at 5M per vs someone like Paul Martin, Boychuck etc at 6-7M, would be a very good upgrade.

They would have to include something really good to move Amac but it is doable.

Nothing against Amac, I feel he is a solid NHL defenseman and would actually be able to play and help other NHL teams. As compared to VLC who I don't see being able to help anyone at this point.

The problem with Amac is for the dollars he isn't what the Flyers need. imo opinion of course.

They can go the easier route, just keep the same D, wait for the youth, and hope G and Jake stay great into their early 30s. Maybe pick up another patch work D that might help, but not really an all roles type defenseman. Keep the asset that would be needed to move Amac's deal and wait it out.

At this point I cringe if they bring back the same D and just patch it up.
Maybe Hexy is accumulating draft picks to use to get some of the bad contracts off the books and be able to have the cap space to improve next year. I hope so, personally.
- Marc D

Living in Detroit and understanding exactly what they've been looking for and seeing exactly what they've settled for, I see a missed opportunity to pick the pockets of the Detroit Red Wings. I have no doubt in my mind that if we were able to offer Mark Streit, they wouldn't have blinked.

Andrew MacDonald in my opinion has been a bitter disappointment. He makes too much, he hasn't provided much offense and he's been OK defensively at best. Far from a standout.

When you watch such deals/players as David Clarkson (Impossible contract), Nathan Horton (career could be over), Dany Heatley, Rene Bouque (second time this year), Eric Brewer (second time this season), Olli Jokinen (Second time in a week) and Jordan Leopold (second time this year), I can't help but wonder how hard we tried to move one of Vincent Lecavalier, RJ Umberger, Andrew MacDonald or Mark Streit.

they have the issue that braydon coburn had in philly, but extrapolated to super star aspiration proportionality.

kessel is a very good player. but he isnt, and will never be, what he is expected to be there.

same with phaneuf.

both are overpaid. and there isnt anyone else there to really be "the guy", and there isnt enough talent and depth throughout the lineup to make up for it through a complete and balanced team.

it is a ship that simply cannot float as currently constructed.
- stayinthefnnet

and its a beautiful thing to watch from a distance.

it has always irked me that the denizens of toronto behave as though they are at the center of the hockey universe, when in fact what they have is a severe inferiority complex in regards to montreal. the fact that they havent won a cup in toronto since before i was born is icing on the cake (and i'm not a youngster anymore.. goes to show you how long it has been)

if kessel and phaneuf werent being compensated by being paid bazillions of dollars i might actually be able to summon up something vaguely resembling compassion. i cannot however.

Nah, I am hoping for better then that.

I guess if they go into next season with same D as we see on the roster tonight then OK, they are still in closet tank mode for another year.

But there is another option to get better next year.

The way I see it they would have to package an asset (and probably something that would hurt) and trade Amac to get that contract off the books, to open up the space to go for an upgrade via UFA. Amac at 5M per vs someone like Paul Martin, Boychuck etc at 6-7M, would be a very good upgrade.

They would have to include something really good to move Amac but it is doable.

Nothing against Amac, I feel he is a solid NHL defenseman and would actually be able to play and help other NHL teams. As compared to VLC who I don't see being able to help anyone at this point.

The problem with Amac is for the dollars he isn't what the Flyers need. imo opinion of course.

They can go the easier route, just keep the same D, wait for the youth, and hope G and Jake stay great into their early 30s. Maybe pick up another patch work D that might help, but not really an all roles type defenseman. Keep the asset that would be needed to move Amac's deal and wait it out.

At this point I cringe if they bring back the same D and just patch it up.
Maybe Hexy is accumulating draft picks to use to get some of the bad contracts off the books and be able to have the cap space to improve next year. I hope so, personally.
- Marc D

If you're hoping they dip into free agency this summer I think you'll be completely disappointed. I think they ride the D out and hope one of the kids jump up. They can probably afford to move a couple of them. Manning and Alt should be able to fill in. MacDonald is with this team for at least two more seasons barring a miracle. His deal increases as the years advance (not counting bonuses). How will they ever move him? He'll be making $5,750,000 in 2019. He'll be 33 at the start of that season.

Is this a serious question? We didn't add, we divided one player that we barely had all season. The roster has been virtually the same since October.
- SuperSchennBros

You said you wanted one trade that changed the roster. Well, they traded Coburn who was on the roster when healthy. Now, he is not on the roster.

they have the issue that braydon coburn had in philly, but extrapolated to super star aspiration proportionality.

kessel is a very good player. but he isnt, and will never be, what he is expected to be there.

same with phaneuf.

both are overpaid. and there isnt anyone else there to really be "the guy", and there isnt enough talent and depth throughout the lineup to make up for it through a complete and balanced team.

it is a ship that simply cannot float as currently constructed.
- stayinthefnnet

That tweet about Phaneuf's wife on TSN yesterday wasn't helpful, either

If you're hoping they dip into free agency this summer I think you'll be completely disappointed. I think they ride the D out and hope one of the kids jump up. They can probably afford to move a couple of them. Manning and Alt should be able to fill in. MacDonald is with this team for at least two more seasons barring a miracle. His deal increases as the years advance (not counting bonuses). How will they ever move him? He'll be making $5,750,000 in 2019. He'll be 33 at the start of that season.
- mayorofangrytown

I hear you, brother. I feel as comfortable saying this as I have anything about the Flyers, ever:

Get used to Andrew MacDonald being on this roster, like it or not

That dude is going absolutely nowhere

Living in Detroit and understanding exactly what they've been looking for and seeing exactly what they've settled for, I see a missed opportunity to pick the pockets of the Detroit Red Wings. I have no doubt in my mind that if we were able to offer Mark Streit, they wouldn't have blinked.

Andrew MacDonald in my opinion has been a bitter disappointment. He makes too much, he hasn't provided much offense and he's been OK defensively at best. Far from a standout.

When you watch such deals/players as David Clarkson (Impossible contract), Nathan Horton (career could be over), Dany Heatley, Rene Bouque (second time this year), Eric Brewer (second time this season), Olli Jokinen (Second time in a week) and Jordan Leopold (second time this year), I can't help but wonder how hard we tried to move one of Vincent Lecavalier, RJ Umberger, Andrew MacDonald or Mark Streit.
- SuperSchennBros

Maybe at the draft some of this happens.

I am pretty realistic about moving VLC and Umby. VLC after the bonus is paid this summer would cost an asset and eating the max amount of salary they are allowed.
The best case scenario is if he walks away, which seems unlikely for him to do.

Umby could actually be a usable if not great 4th line role player (who unfortunately gets top 6 money for that role). Sure they could trade him but it would cost assets to move. They could suck it up and keep him another year and then buyout or keep him 2 more years.

I would use one of the draft picks Hexy acquired to move Amac and upgrade via UFA if there is someone available they like.

Streit I think has value to the team for at least another year, or until whenever Ghost can come in and run the top of the umbrella on the #1 PP. I think they can move Streit next TDL for instance if Ghost is ready. I am glad they kept him. He is a key of the #3 rated PP in the league.

I hear you, brother. I feel as comfortable saying this as I have anything about the Flyers, ever:

Get used to Andrew MacDonald being on this roster, like it or not

That dude is going absolutely nowhere
- AllInForFlyers

That's good news, we need quality defenseman moving forward.

You said you wanted one trade that changed the roster. Well, they traded Coburn who was on the roster when healthy. Now, he is not on the roster.
- jmatchett383

I can't believe you think this is a clever response.

and its a beautiful thing to watch from a distance.

it has always irked me that the denizens of toronto behave as though they are at the center of the hockey universe, when in fact what they have is a severe inferiority complex in regards to montreal. the fact that they havent won a cup in toronto since before i was born is icing on the cake (and i'm not a youngster anymore.. goes to show you how long it has been)

if kessel and phaneuf werent being compensated by being paid bazillions of dollars i might actually be able to summon up something vaguely resembling compassion. i cannot however.
- Doc_Sarcasm

If you're hoping they dip into free agency this summer I think you'll be completely disappointed. I think they ride the D out and hope one of the kids jump up. They can probably afford to move a couple of them. Manning and Alt should be able to fill in. MacDonald is with this team for at least two more seasons barring a miracle. His deal increases as the years advance (not counting bonuses). How will they ever move him? He'll be making $5,750,000 in 2019. He'll be 33 at the start of that season.
- mayorofangrytown

you move Amac by throwing in a first round pick

only way to do it

I know everyone will be up in arms about it

but that pick from TBL what is the chance they become an NHL player?

50-50?

You said I will be disappointed.
You were the one saying they were in closet tank mode (probably by default more then by choice as it makes the most sense)
Do you want to see the same 6 defenseman?
Streit Schultz Amac LSchenn MDZ Gudas

you said that guarantees another top ten pick and I agree


Morin and Ghost aren't ready by next October if that is the solution