I find some of the comments on this thread just plain wierd. I watch most Sens games on the U.S. feed. So, I am hearing broadcast crews rave about the up tempo Sens. It has been that way since Cameron took over.

The broadcasters for LA, Anahiem and SJ could not say enough positives about the entire roster, their skating, their youth and, especially the monsterous talent of Karlsson.

Then I come hear and read the whining. Building a contender requires patience.
- spatso

Patience is key, hence why winning 5 games in a row after many frustrating games since October shouldn't be seen saving grace. There are still areas this team needs to improve upon. The current winning streak doesn't mean much in the long term. One reason why we were quiet today. Nice streak, but keep with the plan to build a team. We are on the right track.

Patience is key, hence why winning 5 games in a row after many frustrating games since October shouldn't be seen saving grace. There are still areas this team needs to improve upon. The current winning streak doesn't mean much in the long term. One reason why we were quiet today. Nice streak, but keep with the plan to build a team. We are on the right track.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Murray said "some moved are on the way" and then we went on the streak and he changed that tone and said his "faith had been restored in this roster".

I'm curious what might have happened if we didn't win those games.

Murray said "some moved are on the way" and then we went on the streak and he changed that tone and said his "faith had been restored in this roster".

I'm curious what might have happened if we didn't win those games.
- Maverick1818

Contra would have been moved. That's it. The line up for overpaid players would still be very small and underwhelming.

Contra would have been moved. That's it. The line up for overpaid players would still be very small and underwhelming.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I think there would have been more then that. It was reported several times that teams had called about Cowen, Condra, Michalek and I think I even saw one about legwand.

But I think if that "faith in the team" hadn't been restored I do think he may have been more willing to get ride of them. Even for draft picks.

I believe him and Hammond already met

- AlfieisKing

Wow that guy really should find a job where he's not constantly hoarding food....and the Hamburglar needs some other work too.

Sens have won 1 of the 105 playoff series won since 2007.....coinciding with......

We do need someone who can be creative and pull something off...in recent history didn't mind the attempt at reviving Filotov, but the only true theft in the last 7 year has been Bishop going out the door. We need a Tradeburlgar!

I think there would have been more then that. It was reported several times that teams had called about Cowen, Condra, Michalek and I think I even saw one about legwand.

But I think if that "faith in the team" hadn't been restored I do think he may have been more willing to get ride of them. Even for draft picks.
- Maverick1818

I don't know how to make it clear that there may have been calls, but they may have simply not been worth it. There are probably thousands of deals in a season that don't see the light of day because the price simply wasn't right. With the contracts these guys have moving them only for picks is very difficult since upper tier teams would be interested. Lower tier teams who could add them just for pick have no interest in overpaid, underachieving players. What makes you believe otherwise?

I don't know how to make it clear that there may have been calls, but they may have simply not been worth it. There are probably thousands of deals in a season that don't see the light of day because the price simply wasn't right. With the contracts these guys have moving them only for picks is very difficult since upper tier teams would be interested. Lower tier teams who could add them just for pick have no interest in overpaid, underachieving players. What makes you believe otherwise?
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I agree the price just may not have been right. But I think if Murray really wanted to make something happen. He would have.Although I'll admit I am bias given as I don't feel Murray has what it takes to be aggressive enough to take this team to cup contender level anymore.

The reason I feel there may have been some deals that Murray just simply wouldn't pull the trigger on. Is because if it was simply a case of "the price simply wasn't right" there would have been one report and that would have been it. But since there was multiple reports over the last few weeks. Even if it was nothing serious that does tell me that there may have been some back and forth negotiating and Murray just couldn't or wouldn't get it done.

Not sure where you get your buyout info from, but the way it works is you pay 2/3 the value remaining over twice the remaining length.

Greening only has two seasons left @ 2.65 mill.

(2 X 2.65) = 5.3 mill left * 2/3 = 3.53 mill / 4 years (twice the remaining length) =

$883,000 per year for the next 4 years.

Which is what you will see Murray do this offseason if he can't move Greening by then.
- TommyDeVito

http://www.silversevensen...rs-Colin-Greening-Waivers

I'm shocked at how some of you are so narrow minded. Your "ideal month" includes moving out several players which would come close to 10 million dollars and no players are coming back. The only teams interested in the guys we are getting rid of would be contenders, who are just looking to add depth. Problem is, these contenders have no cap space and all the players we want to get rid of have contracts past this season. We would have had to take some (likely just as bad) contract back in order to move them. Moving players for picks is ideal, but very unrealistic in this cap era for the players we want to move. That's why you folks didn't see a deal. Murray didn't want to bring in new players that weren't any better than the ones we were moving out. I believe he said that in the press conference even.

Expect a couple of these guys moved in the summer, but not all of them. Bad contracts are difficult to move. And don't throw the Clarkson nonsense around. We don't have the ownership to make that kind of situation happen. Loungo had a bad contract and it took 1.5 years to move him. Dion Phanuef is seeing the same fate. Bad contracts with players under performing take time to move out.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

To all the people that still want to sit here pretending like everything is going fine - 29 teams made deals over the last 3 weeks. Are you kidding me?... you can write whatever you want but Murray has to be replaced with someone else. It's been 8 years and 1 play victory. This team is showing somegood signs but don't take a 5 game winning streak (one that is what, 5 years in the making?) as a sign that this team is headed for the promise land.

Wow that guy really should find a job where he's not constantly hoarding food....and the Hamburglar needs some other work too.

Sens have won 1 of the 105 playoff series won since 2007.....coinciding with......

We do need someone who can be creative and pull something off...in recent history didn't mind the attempt at reviving Filotov, but the only true theft in the last 7 year has been Bishop going out the door. We need a Tradeburlgar!


- WillieAA

agree 100%..... let's see how these 22 games play out. Hopefully they either run 12-13 wins. Otherwise this is a failed year. Don't tell me "oh....but....ummm... these young players are progressing"... We'll see ...

Was watching Sportsnet today and it was good to see Brian Murray during his presser. Here's to more years of seeing him

Was watching Sportsnet today and it was good to see Brian Murray during his presser. Here's to more years of seeing him
- SABRES 89

here here.... I just hope someone else takes over as GM or someone else is there to talk to GMs

Was watching Sportsnet today and it was good to see Brian Murray during his presser. Here's to more years of seeing him
- SABRES 89

As a person that's great. as a GM that's not good news

Patience is key, hence why winning 5 games in a row after many frustrating games since October shouldn't be seen saving grace. There are still areas this team needs to improve upon. The current winning streak doesn't mean much in the long term. One reason why we were quiet today. Nice streak, but keep with the plan to build a team. We are on the right track.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

This is the one thing that frustrates me. If Murray deviated from a plan because of a five game winning streak, shame on him.

Ten days ago the Sens were in the 5 slot for this year's draft. They had their shot at getting that #1 center they need - for nothing! It is so disappointing to see a once in a decade chance like this slip away because they are winning a bunch of meaningless games.

They are the ONLY team in the NHL that has not made a trade in the last month. Teams that know they are not contenders this year moved guys to acquire assets for their future or to improve their positioning for this year's draft. Teams that think they have a shot made moves to try to win now.

Ottawa did neither. That really makes me lose faith in management and the hope that there is actually a plan in place.

This is the one thing that frustrates me. If Murray deviated from a plan because of a five game winning streak, shame on him.

Ten days ago the Sens were in the 5 slot for this year's draft. They had their shot at getting that #1 center they need - for nothing! It is so disappointing to see a once in a decade chance like this slip away because they are winning a bunch of meaningless games.

They are the ONLY team in the NHL that has not made a trade in the last month. Teams that know they are not contenders this year moved guys to acquire assets for their future or to improve their positioning for this year's draft. Teams that think they have a shot made moves to try to win now.

Ottawa did neither. That really makes me lose faith in management and the hope that there is actually a plan in place.
- maaddmike

What is happening in Buffalo should not be allowed. Their goalie was playing to well so they trade him out of town so they get less points. What's next? Tell the coach to pull the goalie with 35 minutes to go and hope to get scored on 15 times? Am I the only one that thinks that this sort of thing needs to be addressed. I think Bryan murray has too much pride to do what they are doing in Buffalo.

What is happening in Buffalo should not be allowed. Their goalie was playing to well so they trade him out of town so they get less points. What's next? Tell the coach to pull the goalie with 35 minutes to go and hope to get scored on 15 times? Am I the only one that thinks that this sort of thing needs to be addressed. I think Bryan murray has too much pride to do what they are doing in Buffalo.
- cburgess

Sens should of traded them Greening to speed up that tank job.

agree 100%..... let's see how these 22 games play out. Hopefully they either run 12-13 wins. Otherwise this is a failed year. Don't tell me "oh....but....ummm... these young players are progressing"... We'll see ...
- AlfieisKing

DONT TELL ME ABOUT OUR YOUNG PLAYERS, WE SHOULD BE WINNING, ALWAYS WINNING!!

ANGRY YELLING!!

Nothing is good enough for some people. I'd love to see guys like Alfieisking, Willie, and Maverick go through an actual scorched-earth rebuild, they'd never make it!

First rebuild centered around Alfie and Spezza failed, now we're on Rebuild #2. This one is more extensive because we lost our entire core from before. These are the guys we've picked since 2009, and they're starting to play really well.

But hey, no, everything is terrible, you're right.

There's bandwagons in Chicago, LA and Pittsburgh that have room if you just want to go the easy route.

What is happening in Buffalo should not be allowed. Their goalie was playing to well so they trade him out of town so they get less points. What's next? Tell the coach to pull the goalie with 35 minutes to go and hope to get scored on 15 times? Am I the only one that thinks that this sort of thing needs to be addressed. I think Bryan murray has too much pride to do what they are doing in Buffalo.
- cburgess

Murray also has too much talent to do what they're doing in Buffalo.

That team has maybe 5 good players left on it, none of them great.

http://www.silversevensens.com/2015/1/27/7920967/Ottawa-Senators-Colin-Greening-Waivers
- AlfieisKing

poop, didn't know they backloaded it - why would you backload a deal of small value like that?

To all the people that still want to sit here pretending like everything is going fine - 29 teams made deals over the last 3 weeks. Are you kidding me?... you can write whatever you want but Murray has to be replaced with someone else. It's been 8 years and 1 play victory. This team is showing somegood signs but don't take a 5 game winning streak (one that is what, 5 years in the making?) as a sign that this team is headed for the promise land.
- AlfieisKing

So you're an expert? You saw that and you're an expert?





Who did we miss out on that moved?

Would you have really liked to add Korbinian Holzer to the lineup?

Micheal Sgarbossa, perhaps?

Olli Jokinen or Andrew Desjardins float your boat? The great James Sheppard?

OMG WE COULD HAVE HAD LEE (frank)ING STEMPNIAK??


Honestly, to the guys super concerned we didn't make a trade deadline move - look at those moves that actual valuable players went in, and tell me you would have paid a similar return.

If you can honestly tell me that, I can honestly call you an idiot and we can be done with this.

Guys like you are the reason we've wasted tons of assets over the years on the Ales Hemskys, Cory Conachers, Chris Campolis, Andy Suttons, Matt Cullens, Mike Comries, Oleg Saprykins, and PEter Bondras of the world at deadline time.

I couldn't be happier that Murray sat down and waited it out. He didn't take on any more bad deals, he didn't move any youth or waste picks trying to get in the playoffs.

Smartest thing he could've done.

Holy, that was a busy evening of posts ..... I thought of chiming in as I read through them, but waited until the end....

Here’s my summation of what I read....

- Maverick got out of the gate early, mistaking Trade Deadline Day for St. Patrick’s Day .... which is not entirely bad, as I wish every day was St. Paddy’s Day too
- Maverick and MaddMike feel that there is true desire in the league for Ottawa’s overpaid, poor performers (Michalek, Greening) because the TV analyst who are trying to drum up interest and viewership say that there is.... and the return will be good, without taking back another bad player, with an inflated salary
- Maverick and Mike also feel the stock for Cowen (who is on a slower development curve that desired) is decent and therefore we should ‘trade him right f_cking now’ (ala Denis Lemieux)
- Maverick, despite an abundance of experience in playing at high levels and working in the business after his playing career, is taken for a puke kid who does nothing but play NHL15 .... unfortunately, his comments substantiate the hypotheses of other posters
- The general consensus is that maverick is actually Tuna ..... I tend to agree

- The biggest surprise of all was a visit from Prock ....... AND I AGREED WITH HIM!!!!


Personally I am happy with the lack of moves by Murray yesterday. Trading away an underperformer with a bad contract, only yields a similar problem – no thanks. The team is very young ..... the prospects will develop over the next couple of years – including Cowen.

I agree that we are missing a 1LC, but there are other ways of finding those, most likely at the draft, or when teams need to find ways to get under the cap. This is the time to be aggressive and make bold moves.

MaddMike, I hope your head is OK this morning...... nothing a greasy breakfast and a few Tylenol won’t fix.....

To all the people that still want to sit here pretending like everything is going fine - 29 teams made deals over the last 3 weeks. Are you kidding me?... you can write whatever you want but Murray has to be replaced with someone else. It's been 8 years and 1 play victory. This team is showing somegood signs but don't take a 5 game winning streak (one that is what, 5 years in the making?) as a sign that this team is headed for the promise land.
- AlfieisKing

I don't think anyone is saying this team is fine right now. Some people see this team in good shape going forward. At the same time observe that there are some holes in the lineup to fill.

The divide is that a few posters feeling Murray not making a trade in the last 3 weeks has put us in worse shape. That's simply not true. If Condra and Gryba were moved, would you guys sleep better at night? The deadline was a difficult time for Murray to make moves. The only UFA we had, the team wants to keep. All the guys we are comfy giving up, have terrible deals. The summer is the time for Murray to make a move or two. Teams will be re-evaluating rosters and taking cap into account. We may get lucky and be able to unload say Legwand.

I don't give Murray props for signing Legwand, Michalek, Greening, and 4 d-men playing 5/6 spots. Those were all bad decisions. But not making a move yesterday for the sake of making a move wasn't a bad decision. Just because everyone jumps off a bridge, doesn't mean you should too.

I agree the price just may not have been right. But I think if Murray really wanted to make something happen. He would have.Although I'll admit I am bias given as I don't feel Murray has what it takes to be aggressive enough to take this team to cup contender level anymore.

The reason I feel there may have been some deals that Murray just simply wouldn't pull the trigger on. Is because if it was simply a case of "the price simply wasn't right" there would have been one report and that would have been it. But since there was multiple reports over the last few weeks. Even if it was nothing serious that does tell me that there may have been some back and forth negotiating and Murray just couldn't or wouldn't get it done.
- Maverick1818

I can respect this post. I don't necessarily agree with it, but none of us know what exactly goes on behind closed doors.