I know we are a young club but we do have some older guys like Michalek and legwand who take up spots that could be filled by a younger better player.

I know it doesn't take 2 years to become a cup contender. but we have been in a rebuild since we went to the finals in the 2006-2007 season. But right now it's like we are still in a rebuild but we are not building anything.
- Maverick1818

Wow

I'm starting to think this is a troll account

Do u understand the hockey definition of a rebuild? It typically means an organization moves out all it's top line players followed by missing the playoffs over and over and over. We're talking 4-5-6 years of never making the dance and having a shot at winning the cup.

Do you know the last time the Sens missed the playoffs in back to back seasons? 94-95. Just under 20 years of consistently icing a team good enough to make the playoffs.

This current roster is the youngest in THE ENTIRE LEAGUE!!!! So when you say they are not building for anything it makes it sound like you have no (frank)ing idea what you are talking about. Do me a favor and look up the following names

Stone
Hoffman
Zibanejad
Lazar
Ceci
Karlsson

Take a look at the stats and age and keep telling yourself they aren't building anything for the future.

People in here mad they didn't get a 7th rd pick for Greening

Give it a rest

I can certainly understand the frustration here.

This team is a weird situation. Most people here (myself included) were all in for a tank about 2 weeks ago. Now people are talking playoffs. This team has to go 12-5-5 to make it.

How can Prince, Puempel, Pageau, Wideman, Cleasson get time if Phillips, Neil, Michalek, Greening, Legwand, Smith all on the books.

I'd resign Condra and get rid of Greening somehow (convince a KHL team to pay him). Michalek is not that bad. Make a package, take care an underachiever with short term, there's so many F***ing possibilities. All due respect to Murray, he is ill and should be here as an advisory role to the GM (Alfredsson or Ray Shero) -- someone who has the health to travel, meet with Dorion - who should run scouting. I don't care if Dorion becomes GM and Alfredsson responsible for scouting. Fly back to Sweden and scout over there and have scouts here in Canada. Canadian and sweeds are playoff types
- AlfieisKing

I can see it both ways. we are low enough to tank but tanking can just bring a losing attitude. but if we go out on a high point there will be more excitement for next season. I understand both ways.

I don't think Murray should be the GM He's done a great job but he just isn't aggressive enough anymore (I think in part/mostly due to EM).

Which brings me to my next point. I would love to see Ray Shero as the next GM (I thought he would have been perfect in Washington building around OVI and Backs). But I love the idea of him in Ottawa because he is the type that is willing to do what it takes to get the right players and keep them. He is always looking to improve and he is very aggressive.

Cowen = potential to be a good top-4. His value is low now and GMS know that. I assure you most offers to BM were very low ball offers. You don't accept low-ball offers for someone like Cowen's potential. He's got a lot of time before you or anyone else can call him a bust.
- TheCalSen

I don't know why people say (think) players have low value. That's bull. Is it because we don't get national coverage?

If we're talking about a Greening trade, the only potential possibility I see is the Clarkson deal that was rumored a few days ago.
- david22

At this time, I'd plan to move Michalek + Greening at least in the off season.

Your trade proposals are way off. Way, way, way off. And that's the problem. These guys are trying to tell you greening, michalek, etc, won't bring back a good player. They're right. 20 of them wouldn't.

Cowen has value. But not much. Muchalek is worth a depth pick, maybe. To return a player like eberle, yakupov, etc, you're gonna have to give up some serious value. Even if the 2013 draft were redone, yakupov would go top 10 or so still. What do you think you'd have to trade for a top 10 pick? More than a bust, second round pick, and salary dump for sure.
- prock

Never thought I'd see the day Prock had to show up to keep another poster in line in here.

I can see it both ways. we are low enough to tank but tanking can just bring a losing attitude. but if we go out on a high point there will be more excitement for next season. I understand both ways.

I don't think Murray should be the GM He's done a great job but he just isn't aggressive enough anymore (I think in part/mostly due to EM).

Which brings me to my next point. I would love to see Ray Shero as the next GM (I thought he would have been perfect in Washington building around OVI and Backs). But I love the idea of him in Ottawa because he is the type that is willing to do what it takes to get the right players and keep them. He is always looking to improve and he is very aggressive.
- Maverick1818

Ya it's not like Murray is going to be walk into the room and tell them to loose. What would be best for the team (and may even result in more winning) would have been trading Neil when they had the chance earlier. I'm sure they could of trading Zack Smith at some point too. It's about assessing and projecting. I hate but respect Steve Yzerman. He got rid of Connolly for 2 picks and also bring in Coburn. It still to be seen if those deals work out but the fact he's traded at the right time (like Conacher for Bishop). Murray has done a good job getting Turris and Ryan (even if we could of had Tarensko) but ya being aggressive is hard for Murray I believe. His health, age certainly have to be affecting him. But even despite those, I wish he pulled the trigger earlier. If not summer is the stage. But 8 years after the cup finals almost.... it's time to build around this core instead of keeping the team young (something Murray loves and says keeps him going)

Wow

I'm starting to think this is a troll account

Do u understand the hockey definition of a rebuild? It typically means an organization moves out all it's top line players followed by missing the playoffs over and over and over. We're talking 4-5-6 years of never making the dance and having a shot at winning the cup.

Do you know the last time the Sens missed the playoffs in back to back seasons? 94-95. Just under 20 years of consistently icing a team good enough to make the playoffs.

This current roster is the youngest in THE ENTIRE LEAGUE!!!! So when you say they are not building for anything it makes it sound like you have no (frank)ing idea what you are talking about. Do me a favor and look up the following names

Stone
Hoffman
Zibanejad
Lazar
Ceci
Karlsson

Take a look at the stats and age and keep telling yourself they aren't building anything for the future.

People in here mad they didn't get a 7th rd pick for Greening

Give it a rest
- SENS 613

Wow that was a bit of an A$$hole way of saying that...but I guess it is the internet so fair enough lol

When I say build for the future I'm talking about building to become a cup contender. Do you really think those players you listed (other then Karlsson) are going to be at the same level as Toews, Kane, Ovi, Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, Weber ect?

I don't, but even in the case where we'll say they did. In that case, getting rid of players like Cowen, Greening, Michalek, legwand ect for better players or picks. only strengthens our team for the future, and dumps salary so we can afford to keep our core group of guys and star players, or sign new players or rentals if we decide to take a run at the cup.

Everything I post on here is in favor of building a cup contender and a cup contender for multiple years.

People also seem to forget we not only have a 1st but two 2nd round picks in the upcoming draft. Would not be surprised at all if Murray swung a deal for a player or to improve his draft positioning.

Patience people

Wow

I'm starting to think this is a troll account

Do u understand the hockey definition of a rebuild? It typically means an organization moves out all it's top line players followed by missing the playoffs over and over and over. We're talking 4-5-6 years of never making the dance and having a shot at winning the cup.

Do you know the last time the Sens missed the playoffs in back to back seasons? 94-95. Just under 20 years of consistently icing a team good enough to make the playoffs.

This current roster is the youngest in THE ENTIRE LEAGUE!!!! So when you say they are not building for anything it makes it sound like you have no (frank)ing idea what you are talking about. Do me a favor and look up the following names

Stone
Hoffman
Zibanejad
Lazar
Ceci
Karlsson

Take a look at the stats and age and keep telling yourself they aren't building anything for the future.

People in here mad they didn't get a 7th rd pick for Greening

Give it a rest
- SENS 613

There needs to be a new GM or new approach going forward. This team (today) is Brian Murray's team. The results will speak about how well the "rebuild has gone". People need to stop defending him...... results will do that.

P.S. I like Murray as a person... It''s just time for someone to be in the main chair.

Something like:
New GM: Ray Shero
Director of Player Development & Hockey Operations: Randy Lee
Director of Player Personnel: Pierre Dorion
Senior Advisory & Hockey Operations Role: Brian Murray
Advisory & European Scouting: Daniel Alfredsson

Or make Dorion GM and Alfie of Hockey Player Personnel although that's a big role for Alfie; don't know if he wants to jump right into it

I can see it both ways. we are low enough to tank but tanking can just bring a losing attitude. but if we go out on a high point there will be more excitement for next season. I understand both ways.

I don't think Murray should be the GM He's done a great job but he just isn't aggressive enough anymore (I think in part/mostly due to EM).

Which brings me to my next point. I would love to see Ray Shero as the next GM (I thought he would have been perfect in Washington building around OVI and Backs). But I love the idea of him in Ottawa because he is the type that is willing to do what it takes to get the right players and keep them. He is always looking to improve and he is very aggressive.
- Maverick1818

Ray Shero is a guy I don't get the love for.

The guy was handed a roster with the two best players in the world, a #1 defenseman (Gonchar at the time), a younger #1 defenseman (Letang), a decent goaltender, and a bunch of depth with Jordan Staal, Ryan Whitney pre-knee destruction, Talbot, pre-cocaine Malone, Orpik, Scuderi.....

And what the hell did he do with it?? He brought in a few vets every year at deadline time, drafted maybe two guys on the current roster, and won 1 cup in 8 years with all that going for him.

If anything, he was a miserable failure based on the golden ticket he was handed.

Wow that was a bit of an A$$hole way of saying that...but I guess it is the internet so fair enough lol

When I say build for the future I'm talking about building to become a cup contender. Do you really think those players you listed (other then Karlsson) are going to be at the same level as Toews, Kane, Ovi, Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, Weber ect?

I don't, but even in the case where we'll say they did. In that case, getting rid of players like Cowen, Greening, Michalek, legwand ect for better players or picks. only strengthens our team for the future, and dumps salary so we can afford to keep our core group of guys and star players, or sign new players or rentals if we decide to take a run at the cup.

Everything I post on here is in favor of building a cup contender and a cup contender for multiple years.
- Maverick1818

Your posts recently have just been mind numbing. It's the same group of fans that always say "we just need to trade for 1LC." Nearly every team in the league is looking to add that to their roster.

This isn't Murray's 4th year in the league. He knows how to build a winner. It's obviously more difficult trying to do that on the lowest budget in the NHL.

Wow that was a bit of an A$$hole way of saying that...but I guess it is the internet so fair enough lol

When I say build for the future I'm talking about building to become a cup contender. Do you really think those players you listed (other then Karlsson) are going to be at the same level as Toews, Kane, Ovi, Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, Weber ect?

I don't, but even in the case where we'll say they did. In that case, getting rid of players like Cowen, Greening, Michalek, legwand ect for better players or picks. only strengthens our team for the future, and dumps salary so we can afford to keep our core group of guys and star players, or sign new players or rentals if we decide to take a run at the cup.

Everything I post on here is in favor of building a cup contender and a cup contender for multiple years.
- Maverick1818

The problem is that you act as if it's simply Murray not trying, like he could have packaged Cowen and Michalek for (frank)ing Taylor Hall and somehow Edmonton would have looked and said "yeah, that sounds good to us".

It's embarassing watching you shoot your mouth off like you could GM better than Brian Murray, who has built this team to a bunch of talented and growing 20-25 year olds, because you think we just need to "go get a Jonathan Toews by trading away these veterans"

Ray Shero is a guy I don't get the love for.

The guy was handed a roster with the two best players in the world, a #1 defenseman (Gonchar at the time), a younger #1 defenseman (Letang), a decent goaltender, and a bunch of depth with Jordan Staal, Ryan Whitney pre-knee destruction, Talbot, pre-cocaine Malone, Orpik, Scuderi.....

And what the hell did he do with it?? He brought in a few vets every year at deadline time, drafted maybe two guys on the current roster, and won 1 cup in 8 years with all that going for him.

If anything, he was a miserable failure based on the golden ticket he was handed.
- TommyDeVito

I would disagree, He got rid of a ton of players they didn't need, brought in Kunitz to play with Crosby, Brought in Neal for Crosby (although ultimately they didn't get a long and he ended up being amazing along side Malkin), Sutter, Depres, Jokinen, locked in neal to a great contract, and even though he over paid he locked in Flower, Letang, Crosby and Malkin long time so it'll be a long time before that core ever gets broken up. He make a much younger more energetic team that should have been a contender this year until JR came in and messed with it.

The only mistake I can see him doing is over paying for stars and not getting a better coach.

What ideally would of happened over the last 30 days:

Chris Neil - 2nd round pick 2015
Colin Greening - 6th round pick + half $ retained by Ottawa*
Chris Phillips - 3rd round pick 2015
Zack Smith or David Legwand - some pick

*A buyout would be $3.97m total and carry a cap hit of $1.325m for the next 4 years.

Line up for rest of the year:

Hoffman - Zibanejad - Ryan
Michalek - Turris - Stone
Condra- Pageau - Lazar
Prince/Puempel - Legwand - Chiasson

Methot - Karlsson
Wiercioch - Ceci
Cowen - Borowieci

The problem is that you act as if it's simply Murray not trying, like he could have packaged Cowen and Michalek for (frank)ing Taylor Hall and somehow Edmonton would have looked and said "yeah, that sounds good to us".

It's embarassing watching you shoot your mouth off like you could GM better than Brian Murray, who has built this team to a bunch of talented and growing 20-25 year olds, because you think we just need to "go get a Jonathan Toews by trading away these veterans"
- TommyDeVito

If he was truly trying he would have done even a small move today. it's been reported for weeks now that he's been getting calls from teams, he surely could have done something to improve this team.

I didn't say Cowen and Michalek for Hall. I suggested Cowen, Michalek and a prospect or draft pick and even trying to see what we could get for a package deal. Yes I used Edmonton as an example because they are a team of unproven young stars who are looking to make some deals happen.

As well you guys seem to be very quick to insult and yet I haven't seen any productive comments from you at all. You simply wait for someone to post their opinion and then blow it way out of proportion and attempt to call that person "stupid" or say they don't know what they are talking about. Like I said before I have been around and played hockey for many years, I know the sport and I know when players should be moved and what players can fit into what systems. My posts are all about making this team better. Which I haven't seen you even attempt yet.

We got a guy who played 3 years in the O and is a scout for the ECHL

Look the (frank) out Murray.

He's coming in hot!!!

What ideally would of happened over the last 30 days:

Chris Neil - 2nd round pick 2015
Colin Greening - 6th round pick + half $ retained by Ottawa*
Chris Phillips - 3rd round pick 2015
Zack Smith or David Legwand - some pick

*A buyout would be $3.97m total and carry a cap hit of $1.325m for the next 4 years.

Line up for rest of the year:

Hoffman - Zibanejad - Ryan
Michalek - Turris - Stone
Condra- Pageau - Lazar
Prince/Puempel - Legwand - Chiasson

Methot - Karlsson
Wiercioch - Ceci
Cowen - Borowieci
- AlfieisKing

Not sure where you get your buyout info from, but the way it works is you pay 2/3 the value remaining over twice the remaining length.

Greening only has two seasons left @ 2.65 mill.

(2 X 2.65) = 5.3 mill left * 2/3 = 3.53 mill / 4 years (twice the remaining length) =

$883,000 per year for the next 4 years.

Which is what you will see Murray do this offseason if he can't move Greening by then.

We got a guy who played 3 years in the O and is a scout for the ECHL

Look the (frank) out Murray.

He's coming in hot!!!
- SENS 613

OMG you are retarded, try posting something productive instead of being a typical A$$ kid on the internet pretending he's tough.

Grow up

If he was truly trying he would have done even a small move today. it's been reported for weeks now that he's been getting calls from teams, he surely could have done something to improve this team.

I didn't say Cowen and Michalek for Hall. I suggested Cowen, Michalek and a prospect or draft pick and even trying to see what we could get for a package deal. Yes I used Edmonton as an example because they are a team of unproven young stars who are looking to make some deals happen.

As well you guys seem to be very quick to insult and yet I haven't seen any productive comments from you at all. You simply wait for someone to post their opinion and then blow it way out of proportion and attempt to call that person "stupid" or say they don't know what they are talking about. Like I said before I have been around and played hockey for many years, I know the sport and I know when players should be moved and what players can fit into what systems. My posts are all about making this team better. Which I haven't seen you even attempt yet.
- Maverick1818

My suggestion for making this team better is to wait, let they young promising guys we have develop, and do your additions and subtractions in the offseason and at the draft, when teams have more money to take deals with term.

Better yet, keep adding youth through the draft and see if some cap strapped team has to give away a good young player cheap to keep their core together.

You just seem to want quick fixes, trading and buying for the sake of it, which a good hockey mind knows don't work. Ask Toronto how that worked out the last decade.

OMG you are retarded, try posting something productive instead of being a typical A$$ kid on the internet pretending he's tough.

Grow up
- Maverick1818

U want Hall in a trade where the main pieces going back are

Cowen and Michalek

Please logoff NHL15

OMG you are retarded, try posting something productive instead of being a typical A$$ kid on the internet pretending he's tough.

Grow up
- Maverick1818

AHA! Nobody as old as you pretend to be would use that term.

Busted, junior.

My suggestion for making this team better is to wait, let they young promising guys we have develop, and do your additions and subtractions in the offseason and at the draft, when teams have more money to take deals with term.

Better yet, keep adding youth through the draft and see if some cap strapped team has to give away a good young player cheap to keep their core together.

You just seem to want quick fixes, trading and buying for the sake of it, which a good hockey mind knows don't work. Ask Toronto how that worked out the last decade.
- TommyDeVito

I don't understand how he doesn't see this

If he was truly trying he would have done even a small move today. it's been reported for weeks now that he's been getting calls from teams, he surely could have done something to improve this team.

I didn't say Cowen and Michalek for Hall. I suggested Cowen, Michalek and a prospect or draft pick and even trying to see what we could get for a package deal. Yes I used Edmonton as an example because they are a team of unproven young stars who are looking to make some deals happen.

As well you guys seem to be very quick to insult and yet I haven't seen any productive comments from you at all. You simply wait for someone to post their opinion and then blow it way out of proportion and attempt to call that person "stupid" or say they don't know what they are talking about. Like I said before I have been around and played hockey for many years, I know the sport and I know when players should be moved and what players can fit into what systems. My posts are all about making this team better. Which I haven't seen you even attempt yet.
- Maverick1818

So you're an expert?

I find some of the comments on this thread just plain wierd. I watch most Sens games on the U.S. feed. So, I am hearing broadcast crews rave about the up tempo Sens. It has been that way since Cameron took over.

The broadcasters for LA, Anahiem and SJ could not say enough positives about the entire roster, their skating, their youth and, especially the monsterous talent of Karlsson.

Then I come hear and read the whining. Building a contender requires patience.

My suggestion for making this team better is to wait, let they young promising guys we have develop, and do your additions and subtractions in the offseason and at the draft, when teams have more money to take deals with term.

Better yet, keep adding youth through the draft and see if some cap strapped team has to give away a good young player cheap to keep their core together.

You just seem to want quick fixes, trading and buying for the sake of it, which a good hockey mind knows don't work. Ask Toronto how that worked out the last decade.
- TommyDeVito

See now we can agree on something and move forward from there positively.

I 100% agree we have to let our young guys develop and I also agree we should do additions and subtractions in the off season.

I also 100% agree that picking up draft additions is a great idea.

Where I disagree is the trade deadline. I think we easily could have gotten some player or as you would like, draft picks. Even that I would be happy with.

I think you misunderstand me on any of my trade ideas. I don't want quick fixes or rentals. I want good players that fit into our system long term and will eventually win us a cup.

I think the best teams out there have a great mix of drafting, developing and trades to build their team for the future.

What ideally would of happened over the last 30 days:

Chris Neil - 2nd round pick 2015
Colin Greening - 6th round pick + half $ retained by Ottawa*
Chris Phillips - 3rd round pick 2015
Zack Smith or David Legwand - some pick

*A buyout would be $3.97m total and carry a cap hit of $1.325m for the next 4 years.

Line up for rest of the year:

Hoffman - Zibanejad - Ryan
Michalek - Turris - Stone
Condra- Pageau - Lazar
Prince/Puempel - Legwand - Chiasson

Methot - Karlsson
Wiercioch - Ceci
Cowen - Borowieci
- AlfieisKing

I'm shocked at how some of you are so narrow minded. Your "ideal month" includes moving out several players which would come close to 10 million dollars and no players are coming back. The only teams interested in the guys we are getting rid of would be contenders, who are just looking to add depth. Problem is, these contenders have no cap space and all the players we want to get rid of have contracts past this season. We would have had to take some (likely just as bad) contract back in order to move them. Moving players for picks is ideal, but very unrealistic in this cap era for the players we want to move. That's why you folks didn't see a deal. Murray didn't want to bring in new players that weren't any better than the ones we were moving out. I believe he said that in the press conference even.

Expect a couple of these guys moved in the summer, but not all of them. Bad contracts are difficult to move. And don't throw the Clarkson nonsense around. We don't have the ownership to make that kind of situation happen. Loungo had a bad contract and it took 1.5 years to move him. Dion Phanuef is seeing the same fate. Bad contracts with players under performing take time to move out.