Trade Center has been saying there are bad trades all day. They said the Olli Jokinen trade was a terrible trade for the blues. They don't shy away from calling out bad moves.
- Maverick1818

That's just because they're the toronto sports network, and they're contractually obligated to jerk off the leafs at every chance they get.

You're just some ridiculous kid who has never sat through an actual rebuild.

Just stop whining for two seconds because you play too much NHL 15 and realize there was nothing of value Murray could have done today.

I would have liked to see us ship out Neil, Legwand and Phillips for nothing, but apparently Murray doesn't want to do that. I don't care that much, honestly, for the 5th round picks we would have gotten back - we can do without them.

I mean, you're just WRONG. and it's because you don't remember that it took a decade for LA to be good, that it took Boston the Thorton saga and years of new prospects and deals, and the blackhawks 5 years of developing their roster before Toews and Kane came along.

Murray has set this team up with a ton of young talent and prospects, a bunch of affordable contracts, and a bunch of expiring veteran deals that will free up about 8 million at the end of next season, and another 8.5 million the season after that, even if we trade NONE of these veterans.

And saying he hasn't done any trading to improve this team makes you look foolish, Anderson, Turris, Ryan, and Methot have all been brought in through deals in the last 3 seasons, at the cost of

Elliot
Rundblad
Noeson
Silfverberg
Foligno
1st round pick
2nd round pick

which is a damn good deal for those four players, four of our best.
- TommyDeVito

Hahahaha a kid are you joking?

I've played hockey for 25 years, including 3 years in the OHL, coaching, reffing and helping scout young players for competitive teams. I know hockey.

I know if teams are calling about players like Michalek and Cowen ect like it has been reported several times over the last few weeks. Then that means those players have some value. I'm not saying we are going to OVI for Michalek that is crazy but I am saying there are buyers and sellers and right now we are missing out on all the sellers and any chance of getting a player for the future and building this team because Murray is not aggressive.

And yes I know teams have taken a long time to rebuild but it is 2015 right now an we have been in a rebuild since the 2006-2007 season (about 3 rebuilds since then) and we aren't even close to being a cup contender. Not now and not int he next 2-3 years. and we wont be unless management gets aggressive about building a cup contender.

you wouldn't take a chance on a 27 year old who averages 15 goals a year when he has crap players with him? who got 28 goals one season and brings size, grit and leadership?

all Trade Centre says about this trade is that they didn't give up much and they get great return..... Seems like they think it was a great trade

he isn't injury prone. and could fill space for us while our younger guys develop. His only real downside is that he isn't consistent but that seems to be the theme of the Sens anyways.
- Maverick1818

The fact you think that Chris Stewart brings leadership is laughable - did you watch any games this guy played for the Avalanche or Blues? Aside from one good season with the Avs this guy has completely been a bust.

The reason the guy isn't injury prone is because he rarely gives a crap and isn't very involved in the game. People look at that early promise and think they can fix him - you can't. His brother was the same way - high draft pick with potential that flamed out.

The Sens already have better options filling space until more youth replaces them - they don't need any more Michaleks or Legwands.

I have to say your posts are very entertaining though - keep them coming...

I hope everyone knows this was just posted in another forum. This is what the rest of the league thinks about the sens right now.... only grade F.

Now this is one person's ranking but no one is disagreeing.

The more I think about it we should last minute target the Oilers. They are reported as sellers and their star players have not proven anything. I think it makes sense.

trade deadline grades:

ducks: A
yotes: A-
bruins: D
sabres: B+
flames: C
canes: B+
hawks: C-
avs: C-
bjs: D+
stars: B-
wings: C+
oilers: D+
panthers: C+
kings: C
wild: C+
habs: A
preds: C
devils: C
isle: B-
rags: C-
sens: F
flyers: A
pens: C
blues: B-
sharks: C+
bolts: A-
leafs: C-
nucks: D
caps: B
jets: A-

I've played hockey for 25 years, including 3 years in the OHL, coaching, reffing and helping scout young players for competitive teams. I know hockey.
- Maverick1818

The fact you think that Chris Stewart brings leadership is laughable - did you watch any games this guy played for the Avalanche or Blues? Aside from one good season with the Avs this guy has completely been a bust.

The reason the guy isn't injury prone is because he rarely gives a crap and isn't very involved in the game. People look at that early promise and think they can fix him - you can't. His brother was the same way - high draft pick with potential that flamed out.

The Sens already have better options filling space until more youth replaces them - they don't need any more Michaleks or Legwands.

I have to say your posts are very entertaining though - keep them coming...
- PixelDoode

I disagree, i think he is like a better version of Zach Smith. he scores a few goals. he has size and speed and skill and he can fight and does fight. Same thing as before there is a reason he had teams rumored to be calling about him all week. If he was that big of a bust no one would have even called.

I hope everyone knows this was just posted in another forum. This is what the rest of the league thinks about the sens right now.... only grade F.

Now this is one person's ranking but no one is disagreeing.

The more I think about it we should last minute target the Oilers. They are reported as sellers and their star players have not proven anything. I think it makes sense.

trade deadline grades:

ducks: A
yotes: A-
bruins: D
sabres: B+
flames: C
canes: B+
hawks: C-
avs: C-
bjs: D+
stars: B-
wings: C+
oilers: D+
panthers: C+
kings: C
wild: C+
habs: A
preds: C
devils: C
isle: B-
rags: C-
sens: F
flyers: A
pens: C
blues: B-
sharks: C+
bolts: A-
leafs: C-
nucks: D
caps: B
jets: A-
- Maverick1818

Yet another great post - please keep them coming...

Yet another great post - please keep them coming...
- PixelDoode

That was a post in another forum that I used to show what the rest of the league thinks about Ottawa right now.

I'm not seeing any suggestions or anything productive from you?

What would you have Ottawa do or try? and why?

Trade Center has been saying there are bad trades all day. They said the Olli Jokinen trade was a terrible trade for the blues. They don't shy away from calling out bad moves.
- Maverick1818

St.louis needed a guy to serve beer in the stands so the acquired him. Its not likely that he will have a huge impact on thier roster.

St.louis needed a guy to serve beer in the stands so the acquired him. Its not likely that he will have a huge impact on thier roster.
- cburgess

hahahaha agreed. But my point was less about the trade and more that trade center will say when it's a bad deal that was made.

I should also add that I don't think he has the hands anymore to serve beer lol

I'm not seeing anything suggestions or anything productive from you?

What would you have Ottawa do or try? and why?
- Maverick1818

Ottawa has to trade Turris or zibby, and trade andy or lehner. Thats to get things started. Then they have to stop resigning guys like greening, neil, michalek, etc. You are paying probably close to 8 million on players that are next to useless. Then you add the fact that they are a budget team. How are they supposed to compete with that model?

Ottawa has to trade Turris or zibby, and trade andy or lehner. Thats to get things started. Then they have to stop resigning guys like greening, neil, michalek, etc. You are paying probably close to 8 million on players that are next to useless. Then you add the fact that they are a budget team. How are they supposed to compete with that model?
- cburgess

I don't agree with the Turris or Zibby thing. Turris is a solid 2nd line center I think the mistake we make with him is wanting him to be a #1C. Zibby has all kinda of skill and is only getting better.

However I do think at some point in the next couple years I think Andy or Lehner has to go. and to be honest I say we ride out Andy as long as he is playing well and then get rid of both of them. I'm not sold on Lehner at all. But then again I donno who would would get as a #1 goalie in today's NHL.

But I 100% agree with everything else you are saying. and That is kind of the point I've been trying to make all day is that we are not going to be competitive with the model we have now and we aren't doing anything to even attempt to fix it.

I don't agree with the Turris or Zibby thing. However I do think at some point in the next couple years I think Andy or Lehner has to go. and to be honest I say we ride out Andy as long as he is playing well and then get rid of both of them. I'm not sold on Lehner at all. But then again I donno who would would get as a #1 goalie in today's NHL.

But I 100% agree with everything else you are saying. and That is kind of the point I've been trying to make all day is that we are not going to be competitive with the model we have now and we aren't doing anything to even attempt to fix it.
- Maverick1818

Ok, but It takes a bold move to move forward. 3 years from now you are going to have turris, zibby and lazar. All good enough to be a #2 centre but not good enough to be a #1. Why not move one of them and get creative?

Ok, but It takes a bold move to move forward. 3 years from now you are going to have turris, zibby and lazar. All good enough to be a #2 centre but not good enough to be a #1. Why not move one of them and get creative?
- cburgess

Agreed and i think other then being a limited cap team. I think there are two things management are missing #1. wanting to build an actual cup contender (for many years not just one run and then rebuild) and #2. the willingness to be bold and aggressive and make those big deals that get the right players.

Both have to do with the team culture and when fans are going to get fed up and finally just say "do something"

Agreed and i think other then being a limited cap team. I think there are two things management are missing #1. wanting to build an actual cup contender (for many years not just one run and then rebuild) and #2. the willingness to be bold and aggressive and make those big deals that get the right players.

Both have to do with the team culture and when fans are going to get fed up and finally just say "do something"
- Maverick1818

Ok, but you said you don't want to trade turris. This is what I'm saying. People want to see major changes but refuse to discuss trading their top players.

Ok, but you said you don't want to trade turris. This is what I'm saying. People want to see major changes but refuse to discuss trading their top players.
- cburgess

I'd be okay with trading Turris but the reason I don't want too. Is because I don't think you would get equal value back for him but just getting rid of him of the sake of wanting change I don't like that move.

Now if it was in a package for RNH, Hall, Ebs, ROR, E Kane, Kadri, ect I'd be willing to do that sure.

I like to think Ottawa stays away from big name players because they are to worried about the budget. granted that does help to be cap contentious but at some point we have to spend.

I still think we could package Cowen, Michalek and someone for one good young forward and then either now or in the off season try for Del Zotto (to replace Cowen)

It bring a much different and exciting look to the sens and help us build for the future and shed some salary.

I'd be okay with trading Turris but the reason I don't want too. Is because I don't think you would get equal value back for him but just getting rid of him of the sake of wanting change I don't like that move.

Now if it was in a package for RNH, Hall, Ebs, ROR, E Kane, Kadri, ect I'd be willing to do that sure.

I like to think Ottawa stays away from big name players because they are to worried about the budget. granted that does help to be cap contentious but at some point we have to spend.

I still think we could package Cowen, Michalek and someone for one good young forward and then either now or in the off season try for Del Zotto (to replace Cowen)

It bring a much different and exciting look to the sens and help us build for the future and shed some salary.
- Maverick1818

The and someone part will have to be a Ceci or Lazar or something. I'm not sure why you think 2 or 3 struggling players is going to bring in good value that we can use long term. Just because they received a couple of calls does not mean the package coming back was a great return.

The and someone part will have to be a Ceci or Lazar or something. I'm not sure why you think 2 or 3 struggling players is going to bring in good value that we can use long term. Just because they received a couple of calls does not mean the package coming back was a great return.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

So you bring in struggling players with promise like RNH or Hall or Ebs or Yak who could all be 1st line players.

Say Cowen, Michalek and a 2nd round pick.

That gives whatever team you are trading with. a possible top 4 D (if he ever gets his sh*t together), a Vet who bring experience and can still score goals and a bit of promise for the future

It helps us shed salary, gives us a new dynamic look and brings energy to our team as well as not breaking the bank on our future.

If you have any other suggestions I am more then open it them I love good hockey conversation and I love the option of trying to improve the sens that's why I am on here.

The and someone part will have to be a Ceci or Lazar or something. I'm not sure why you think 2 or 3 struggling players is going to bring in good value that we can use long term. Just because they received a couple of calls does not mean the package coming back was a great return.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Ya, Rene Borque got traded today, but he was thrown into the deal as an afterthought. Greening is at the same level. I would guess if the sens were gonna move lazar or ceci, murray would then say, well you have to take greening if you are getting one of our young stars. Those players aren't the focal point of the trade.

So you bring in struggling players with promise like RNH or Hall or Ebs or Yak who could all be 1st line players.

Say Cowen, Michalek and a 2nd round pick.

That gives whatever team you are trading with. a possible top 4 D (if he ever gets his sh*t together), a Vet who bring experience and can still score goals and a bit of promise for the future

It helps us shed salary, gives us a new dynamic look and brings energy to our team as well as not breaking the bank on our future.

If you have any other suggestions I am more then open it them I love good hockey conversation and I love the option of trying to improve the sens that's why I am on here.
- Maverick1818

Edmonton would never do that deal. I'd do it all day long as a Sens fan, but I know Edmonton wouldn't. All those players prices are very steep. It's not easy to trade about 6-7 million worth of salary away. If Cowen isn't helping our rebuild, how will he help Edmontons? Michalek has no value in Edmonton. And the pick is a write off.

I think Edmonton is a bad partner to eye for a trade. They are similar to us. Have some good pieces, but unwilling to move them.

So you bring in struggling players with promise like RNH or Hall or Ebs or Yak who could all be 1st line players.

Say Cowen, Michalek and a 2nd round pick.

That gives whatever team you are trading with. a possible top 4 D (if he ever gets his sh*t together), a Vet who bring experience and can still score goals and a bit of promise for the future

It helps us shed salary, gives us a new dynamic look and brings energy to our team as well as not breaking the bank on our future.

If you have any other suggestions I am more then open it them I love good hockey conversation and I love the option of trying to improve the sens that's why I am on here.
- Maverick1818

Edm isn't trading one of ther young guns for cownen and a 2nd rd pick. Michalek has no value in that deal

I hope everyone knows this was just posted in another forum. This is what the rest of the league thinks about the sens right now.... only grade F.

Now this is one person's ranking but no one is disagreeing.

The more I think about it we should last minute target the Oilers. They are reported as sellers and their star players have not proven anything. I think it makes sense.

trade deadline grades:

ducks: A
yotes: A-
bruins: D
sabres: B+
flames: C
canes: B+
hawks: C-
avs: C-
bjs: D+
stars: B-
wings: C+
oilers: D+
panthers: C+
kings: C
wild: C+
habs: A
preds: C
devils: C
isle: B-
rags: C-
sens: F
flyers: A
pens: C
blues: B-
sharks: C+
bolts: A-
leafs: C-
nucks: D
caps: B
jets: A-
- Maverick1818

I did.

And fwiw, flyfreaky is more known for his masturbayion jokes than he is for his hockey insight, so take it with a grain of salt.

Edmonton would never do that deal. I'd do it all day long as a Sens fan, but I know Edmonton wouldn't. All those players prices are very steep. It's not easy to trade about 6-7 million worth of salary away. If Cowen isn't helping our rebuild, how will he help Edmontons? Michalek has no value in Edmonton. And the pick is a write off.

I think Edmonton is a bad partner to eye for a trade. They are similar to us. Have some good pieces, but unwilling to move them.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Edmonton was just an example. But I do think they would look at it. Michalek would produce as much as Ryan Smyth did for them and they loved him there. Cowen is still almost as big as Chara and has a shot and promise he just doesn't work in our system. and there is no denying that any one of Edmonton's stars could use a change. Plus we have a passed relationship with them from the Hemsky trade.

my point is less about who we are trading with but I do think we could get something of value forward wise from some team for Cowen and Michalek packaged together and then make a move on Del Zotto either now or in the summer.

Like I said before I think that works out well for both teams. makes sense for both teams dollar wise and bring a new look and energy to the Sens that we need.

As well as a bold move like that could go a long way in letting players here know that they are not untouchable and they need to get it together.

Edmonton was just an example. But I do think they would look at it. Michalek would produce as much as Ryan Smyth did for them and they loved him there. Cowen is still almost as big as Chara and has a shot and promise he just doesn't work in our system. and there is no denying that any one of Edmonton's stars could use a change. Plus we have a passed relationship with them from the Hemsky trade.

my point is less about who we are trading with but I do think we could get something of value forward wise from some team for Cowen and Michalek packaged together and then make a move on Del Zotto either now or in the summer.

Like I said before I think that works out well for both teams. makes sense for both teams dollar wise and bring a new look and energy to the Sens that we need.

As well as a bold move like that could go a long way in letting players here know that they are not untouchable and they need to get it together.
- Maverick1818

RYIN SMITH DOES NOTHIN BUT CRY BABY TEARS, BUT HE IS A GOOD CANADIAN BOY! MILANO MICAHLEK CANT CRY AND WEARS A SISSY VISOR! HOW ARE THEY THE SAME?! SMARTEN UP! LETS GO!

RYIN SMITH DOES NOTHIN BUT CRY BABY TEARS, BUT HE IS A GOOD CANADIAN BOY! MILANO MICAHLEK CANT CRY AND WEARS A SISSY VISOR! HOW ARE THEY THE SAME?! SMARTEN UP! LETS GO!
- Don_Cherry_2.0

hahahaha I'd say Milan does bring leadership as well as he scores more then Ryan Smith although their stats are surprisingly similar