Ya, trading 3rd liners for 5th rd picks isn't going to change much. He has to do something bold next summer. Trade one of the goalies, or trade a top player off the team.
- cburgess

trading michalek for greening or Smith or legwand ect for picks at the very least dumps their salaries and allows us to be bold int he summer

if teams are calling about those players that means there is opportunity to move them. I still think a package would bring in more value. however even if you get a late pick for them why not. Their value isn't going up anytime soon and we could dump their bad contracts so int he summer we can afford to do more.
- Maverick1818

You have no idea what the other teams are offering though. it could very well be worse garbage then we already have.

You seem to have this idea that teams are calling to acquire players purely for picks. That's not always the case. Bodies often have to be involved, especially for guys with seasons left on their deals in a salary cap era. Pieces offered to Murray were probably garbage.

But how long are we going to keep saying "we'll have a good team in 2-3 years"? We've been saying it since we made it to the finals and since then we have been through 3 half asses rebuilds.

There comes a time when all those promises have to lead somewhere otherwise we will become a team like the leafs (who by the way are doing much more then us right now)
- Maverick1818

Soon?
In all seriousness, if you want Ottawa to have a real solid chance at winning the Cup, they would have to bottom out and be lucky enough to snag a 1LC at the draft. (Keep in mind the Daigles). Other than that they will draft well and either make the Playoffs and from there anything can happen or miss it by a few points. The key is keeping a team together so that they can build a relationship; getting better will be a result of that.

You have no idea what the other teams are offering though. it could very well be worse garbage then we already have.

You seem to have this idea that teams are calling to acquire players purely for picks. That's not always the case. Bodies often have to be involved, especially for guys with seasons left on their deals in a salary cap era.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I agree. However I look at a player like Michalek who would be great for a team pushing for the playoffs or thinking they could make a run for the cup. We could milk those teams for as much as we can get.

Cowen could be used for the same reason or a team who is looking for him to be a top 4 D for years to come.

making packages of our players like all the ones I listed. gives those other teams what they want and gets us more value back.

would you rather get some value and dump salary or waste a few years and then get nothing later when there is no value?

Soon?
In all seriousness, if you want Ottawa to have a real solid chance at winning the Cup, they would have to bottom out and be lucky enough to snag a 1LC at the draft. (Keep in mind the Daigles). Other than that they will draft well and either make the Playoffs and from there anything can happen or miss it by a few points. The key is keeping a team together so that they can build a relationship; getting better will be a result of that.
- TheCalSen

Yeah, the thing Ottawa is missing most of all is a number 1 center.

Since it's unlikely they will draft one this year, they need to get one through trade. Or hope Zib develops into one, but for this argument, we are being bold.

So they need to find a number one center on the market. Not the top center on team X, but a legit, number one center.

So... who's available?

I agree. However I look at a player like Michalek who would be great for a team pushing for the playoffs or thinking they could make a run for the cup. We could milk those teams for as much as we can get.

Cowen could be used for the same reason or a team who is looking for him to be a top 4 D for years to come.

making packages of our players like all the ones I listed. gives those other teams what they want and gets us more value back.

would you rather get some value and dump salary or waste a few years and then get nothing later when there is no value?
- Maverick1818

These two things conflict with one another. Like Gord said, you likely have to eat salary coming back.

Soon?
In all seriousness, if you want Ottawa to have a real solid chance at winning the Cup, they would have to bottom out and be lucky enough to snag a 1LC at the draft. (Keep in mind the Daigles). Other than that they will draft well and either make the Playoffs and from there anything can happen or miss it by a few points. The key is keeping a team together so that they can build a relationship; getting better will be a result of that.
- TheCalSen

I don't think so. I think even if you get little for those players we don't need, that still dumps salary and makes room for our young guys to develop at the NHL level. and Give us more to build on in the future and more cap to spend on a #1C and top forwards when the time comes.

I just hate that we have done literally nothing. I'm a Sens fan, I have been since year #1 but my favorite teams are the ones that are aggressive and always trying to get better and build for the future and Ottawa is simply not doing that.

But how long are we going to keep saying "we'll have a good team in 2-3 years"? We've been saying it since we made it to the finals and since then we have been through 3 half asses rebuilds.

There comes a time when all those promises have to lead somewhere otherwise we will become a team like the leafs (who by the way are doing much more then us right now)
- Maverick1818

Most of the people being traded have little or no contract term beyond this season.

Murray has always clear he did not want a rental. Come this June during draft week there will be a bunch of teams wanting to move contacts with $ and term.

Murray will be in great shape. He has said he is prepared to replace the Spezza contract ($7m). However, there is no interest in $8m long term contracts currently on the Leaf roster.

I agree. However I look at a player like Michalek who would be great for a team pushing for the playoffs or thinking they could make a run for the cup. We could milk those teams for as much as we can get.

Cowen could be used for the same reason or a team who is looking for him to be a top 4 D for years to come.

making packages of our players like all the ones I listed. gives those other teams what they want and gets us more value back.

would you rather get some value and dump salary or waste a few years and then get nothing later when there is no value?
- Maverick1818

Dude. Contending teams don't have the cap space to bring in Micahlek since he is signed for seasons after this one. That's why you see upcoming UFAs go to contenders. It doesn't push their cap. Make it a package just makes it even more unrealistic for contenders.

We saw Phanuef to the Wings break down purely because of the contract and cap situations. It's very hard to move a player in the middle of a bad contract who is not playing well.

I'd love to get rid of these players as much as you, but it's not that simple. In the summer it might be more conceivable to move a Legwand or someone to get a team to the cap floor, but that's about it.

You gotta look at it from the other teams perspective.

Yeah, the thing Ottawa is missing most of all is a number 1 center.

Since it's unlikely they will draft one this year, they need to get one through trade. Or hope Zib develops into one, but for this argument, we are being bold.

So they need to find a number one center on the market. Not the top center on team X, but a legit, number one center.

So... who's available?
- david22

I'd say there is an argument to be made for quite a few star players from the Oilers.... just saying

I don't think so. I think even if you get little for those players we don't need, that still dumps salary and makes room for our young guys to develop at the NHL level. and Give us more to build on in the future and more cap to spend on a #1C and top forwards when the time comes.

I just hate that we have done literally nothing. I'm a Sens fan, I have been since year #1 but my favorite teams are the ones that are aggressive and always trying to get better and build for the future and Ottawa is simply not doing that.
- Maverick1818

We are one the youngest clubs. What are you on about? It doesn't take 2 years to become legit Cup contenders.

It is embarrassing that a team can blatantly tank like Buffalo is doing. Makes the NHL look like a bush league.

I don't blame Buffalo. They are playing within the rules the NHL alllows and they want to guarantee they will get either McDavid or Eichal by finishing dead last. But it sure makes the NHL look bad.
- maaddmike

wow, they also traded Torrey Mitchell.

the Sabres are now icing the following down the middle of the ice until Girgensons and/or Ennis are healthy:

Cody Hodgson - 59GP 4G 7A 11P
Cody McCormick - 33GP 1G 3A 4P
Zac Dalpe - 3GP 0G 0A 0P
Phil Varone - 9GP 2G 0A 2P

For a grand total of 104 games played and 17 points this season combined.

Their goaltenders are now Lindback and Chad Johnson, whose stats are:

Lindback - .875, 3.71GAA
Johnson - .889 SV%, 3.08GAA

All of which are so bad they're not ranked on NHL.com.

Yeah, the thing Ottawa is missing most of all is a number 1 center.

Since it's unlikely they will draft one this year, they need to get one through trade. Or hope Zib develops into one, but for this argument, we are being bold.

So they need to find a number one center on the market. Not the top center on team X, but a legit, number one center.

So... who's available?
- david22

I don't know about you, but the only was I'm trading away my 1LC is for the other teams farm + their 1sts. I'm greedy like that, so are all of the GMs in sports in general. Overvalue your players, undervalue your oppositions. It would be good though if both GMs didn't do that

I'd say there is an argument to be made for quite a few star players from the Oilers.... just saying
- Maverick1818

Ok, i'm with you there. I think they would certainly be open to that. Espeically considering they'll likely draft a great player this year.


RNH? What would it take to pry him away. They'd want to start the talks at Zib and Ceci, and then add in a fair amount more.. He'd cost an arm and a leg.

The one concern I would have is that they've been bad for so long, I don't know if they'd trade him away at this time, to accept needed to develop whoever they draft.

wow, they also traded Torrey Mitchell.

the Sabres are now icing the following down the middle of the ice until Girgensons and/or Ennis are healthy:

Cody Hodgson - 59GP 4G 7A 11P
Cody McCormick - 33GP 1G 3A 4P
Zac Dalpe - 3GP 0G 0A 0P
Phil Varone - 9GP 2G 0A 2P

For a grand total of 104 games played and 17 points this season combined.

Their goaltenders are now Lindback and Chad Johnson, whose stats are:

Lindback - .875, 3.71GAA
Johnson - .889 SV%, 3.08GAA

All of which are so bad they're not ranked on NHL.com.


- TommyDeVito

Karma will Daigle them.

wow, they also traded Torrey Mitchell.

the Sabres are now icing the following down the middle of the ice until Girgensons and/or Ennis are healthy:

Cody Hodgson - 59GP 4G 7A 11P
Cody McCormick - 33GP 1G 3A 4P
Zac Dalpe - 3GP 0G 0A 0P
Phil Varone - 9GP 2G 0A 2P

For a grand total of 104 games played and 17 points this season combined.

Their goaltenders are now Lindback and Chad Johnson, whose stats are:

Lindback - .875, 3.71GAA
Johnson - .889 SV%, 3.08GAA

All of which are so bad they're not ranked on NHL.com.


- TommyDeVito

TM will have a heart attack if they get robbed at the lottery.

We are one the youngest clubs. What are you on about? It doesn't take 2 years to become legit Cup contenders.
- TheCalSen

I know we are a young club but we do have some older guys like Michalek and legwand who take up spots that could be filled by a younger better player.

I know it doesn't take 2 years to become a cup contender. but we have been in a rebuild since we went to the finals in the 2006-2007 season. But right now it's like we are still in a rebuild but we are not building anything.

Ok, i'm with you there. I think they would certainly be open to that. Espeically considering they'll likely draft a great player this year.


RNH? What would it take to pry him away. They'd want to start the talks at Zib and Ceci, and then add in a fair amount more.. He'd cost an arm and a leg.

The one concern I would have is that they've been bad for so long, I don't know if they'd trade him away at this time, to accept needed to develop whoever they draft.
- david22

i think it could go both ways though. Yes the Oilers have a ton of stars but for how long have they been unproven stars. Ottawa is taking a risk there too. I think it's Murray's job to convince the Oilers of that. I also think there is an argument to be made that the Oilers don't need more young players or prospects. I think thats where a package could be made. and not just for RNH. I think RNH, Hall, Ebs, Yak. They could all fit into Ottawa's system and all of them have a low value right now because they are unproven. I'm not saying we could get them for nothing but I think it's worth taking a look at.

He should be fired because he is doing absolutely nothing to advance this team at all.

I get we aren't going to be a contender over night but do something. Buffalo gave up Christ stewart for a 2nd round pick. Ottawa could have done that awesome move. We should have gone hard for Evander Kane. Heck we should be getting rid of players like Michalek, Cowen, legwand, Smith, Greening. package them together. or even for picks but do something to advance the team and build a cup contender.

Right now he is not aggressive at all. He has build a sh*t team and he is doing nothing to try and fix it.
- Maverick1818

Wait.....you wanted Chris Stewart?? For a second round pick??

Now I KNOW you don't have a clue.

Wait.....you wanted Chris Stewart?? For a second round pick??

Now I KNOW you don't have a clue.
- TommyDeVito

Wait.....you wanted Chris Stewart?? For a second round pick??

Now I KNOW you don't have a clue.
- TommyDeVito

you wouldn't take a chance on a 27 year old who averages 15 goals a year when he has crap players with him? who got 28 goals one season and brings size, grit and leadership?

all Trade Centre says about this trade is that they didn't give up much and they get great return..... Seems like they think it was a great trade

he isn't injury prone. and could fill space for us while our younger guys develop. His only real downside is that he isn't consistent but that seems to be the theme of the Sens anyways.

Since it was asked earlier and I put it out there. The more and more I think about it. Ottawa should be contacting Edmonton right now to see what it would take for a trade there.

you wouldn't take a chance on a 27 year old who averages 15 goals a year when he has crap players with him? who got 28 goals one season and brings size, grit and leadership?

all Trade Centre says about this trade is that they didn't give up much and they get great return..... Seems like they think it was a great trade

he isn't injury prone. and could fill space for us while our younger guys develop. His only real downside is that he isn't consistent but that seems to be the theme of the Sens anyways.
- Maverick1818

Do you really expect Trade Center to say WHAT A F*&KIN' ASS OF A TRADE? Because it is for that price.

it would dumb salary for this summer. I believe a team is never finished and should never remain stagnant. I'm not saying we should solidify a team but a team in the NHL gets success like the hawk, boston LA, Ect by doing a few things #1. Drafting and developement (Ottawa has done and is doing that) #2. being aggressive on trades and always trying to get better (Ottawa simple has not done that and is not putting any effort into doing that)
- Maverick1818

You're just some ridiculous kid who has never sat through an actual rebuild.

Just stop whining for two seconds because you play too much NHL 15 and realize there was nothing of value Murray could have done today.

I would have liked to see us ship out Neil, Legwand and Phillips for nothing, but apparently Murray doesn't want to do that. I don't care that much, honestly, for the 5th round picks we would have gotten back - we can do without them.

I mean, you're just WRONG. and it's because you don't remember that it took a decade for LA to be good, that it took Boston the Thorton saga and years of new prospects and deals, and the blackhawks 5 years of developing their roster before Toews and Kane came along.

Murray has set this team up with a ton of young talent and prospects, a bunch of affordable contracts, and a bunch of expiring veteran deals that will free up about 8 million at the end of next season, and another 8.5 million the season after that, even if we trade NONE of these veterans.

And saying he hasn't done any trading to improve this team makes you look foolish, Anderson, Turris, Ryan, and Methot have all been brought in through deals in the last 3 seasons, at the cost of

Elliot
Rundblad
Noeson
Silfverberg
Foligno
1st round pick
2nd round pick

which is a damn good deal for those four players, four of our best.

Do you really expect Trade Center to say WHAT A F*&KIN' ASS OF A TRADE? Because it is for that price.
- TheCalSen

Trade Center has been saying there are bad trades all day. They said the Olli Jokinen trade was a terrible trade for the blues. They don't shy away from calling out bad moves.