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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 1 @ 5:20 PM ET
On the other hand, you could call it poor management. There's evidence that Stralman is playing at the same level as Yandle this year. You could argue that they just gave up top assets for an equally good defenseman.
- JAKEw1234


Pretty sure Boyle makes more than Stralman this year and Stralman has completely outplayed him in every phase of the game.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Mar 1 @ 5:21 PM ET
Yeah, it's like he hit rock bottom w Redden and finally took a look in the mirror at what he had become.
- Tomahawk


Montreal gave him that get out of jail free card with Gomez, and it's been Katy Bar the Door ever since
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Mar 1 @ 5:22 PM ET
buffalo got fleeced on myers deal
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 1 @ 5:22 PM ET
I disagree with comparing Stralman to Yandle, mainly because Stralman, while good, is a third-pairing player on a good team

There's a reason why Tampa's looking for a defenseman

Yandle drives play. He's a better player than Stralman, I feel

- AllInForFlyers


Stralman plays over 22 minutes per game and leads their defenseman in scoring. His possession numbers are great as well.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Mar 1 @ 5:22 PM ET
If they end up paying Yandle 7 mil, they'll be paying a bit more than 37 mil on what will probably be around a 75 mil cap.

EDIT: that'll leave an average of about 3 mil for each of 12 forwards.
EDITEDIT: once you count Nash and Brassard, that's about 2.5 mil for each of 10 forwards.

- JAKEw1234


That's why I think they have more irons in the fire, maybe they are using Yandle to replace someone going out?
I hope Stepan squeezes them.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Mar 1 @ 5:23 PM ET

The rangers d core: 24.8 million
-Girardi, McDonagh, Boyle, Staal, Klein, Yandle, Hunwick

The Flyers: 24.65 million.
-Streit, MacDonald, Coburn, Luke Schenn, Grossmann, MDZ, Schultz

Why thank you Paul. Job well done.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 1 @ 5:23 PM ET
Has the nameplate on Grossmans jersey recovered from being hit? I sure hope this doesn't effect him being moved tomorrow
- PLindbergh31


i still don't understand how that made him not be able to skate off on his own. maybe it went through his spained and sprained his mcl.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Mar 1 @ 5:24 PM ET
Pretty sure Boyle makes more than Stralman this year and Stralman has completely outplayed him in every phase of the game.
- PhillySportsGuy


I'd hope so; Boyle's 40 years old

But Boyle was only meant to be a stopgap defender with a RH shot, not a solution

Boyle's only signed for two years

Let's see what Stralman looks like in Year 5
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 1 @ 5:25 PM ET
anthony d'angelo with 5 points today...game still not over.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Mar 1 @ 5:25 PM ET
The rangers d core: 24.8 million
-Girardi, McDonagh, Boyle, Staal, Klein, Yandle, Hunwick

The Flyers: 24.65 million.
-Streit, MacDonald, Coburn, Luke Schenn, Grossmann, MDZ, Schultz

Why thank you Paul. Job well done.

- flyer_nutter


The $8.5 mill to King Hank will hurt paying a few forwards, the one year deals he gave to Zucc, & Stepan are already backfiring.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 1 @ 5:25 PM ET
I'd hope so; Boyle's 40 years old

But Boyle was only meant to be a stopgap defender with a RH shot, not a solution

Boyle's only signed for two years

Let's see what Stralman looks like in Year 5

- AllInForFlyers


When he's 32?
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Mar 1 @ 5:25 PM ET
Stralman plays over 22 minutes per game and leads their defenseman in scoring. His possession numbers are great as well.
- PhillySportsGuy


You realize that is only because Hedman was hurt? Yandle's doing the same thing...on a worse team
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Mar 1 @ 5:25 PM ET
man the east is going to be wild this year.

Rags are looking very, very tough now. hard to not like this from a win now perspective.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 1 @ 5:26 PM ET
zepp "loaned" back to phantoms. stolarz recalled. i still don't understand wtf they're doing.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Mar 1 @ 5:27 PM ET
I'd hope so; Boyle's 40 years old

But Boyle was only meant to be a stopgap defender with a RH shot, not a solution

Boyle's only signed for two years

Let's see what Stralman looks like in Year 5

- AllInForFlyers


i think that stralman deal is one of the more reasonable ones to be handed out in recent memory.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Mar 1 @ 5:27 PM ET
I disagree with comparing Stralman to Yandle, mainly because Stralman, while good, is a third-pairing player on a good team

There's a reason why Tampa's looking for a defenseman

Yandle drives play. He's a better player than Stralman, I feel

- AllInForFlyers

He probably is, and he eats more minutes, but here are their hero charts for this year:

YANDLE:


STRALMAN:


this is usage adjusted.

So Stralman has been the much better chance suppressor, while Yandle has considerably more points/60. Considering the rest of the rangers D, I'd say they don't need a defenseman to eat a lot of minutes, but rather a defenseman who performs beyond his usage. Someone who performs like a top pairing guy in the 17-18 mins he does get. That's Stralman this year. They just gave top assets for a Stralman replacement.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 1 @ 5:27 PM ET
Lol. So the Coyotes should just quit?
- PhillySportsGuy


Yes, that's what I said. :rollingeyessohardtheyfelloutofmyhead:
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Mar 1 @ 5:27 PM ET
When he's 32?
- PhillySportsGuy


Yep. I don't think Stralman holds up -- we'll see, but I don't think he's that kind of player for long


PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 1 @ 5:28 PM ET
You realize that is only because Hedman was hurt? Yandle's doing the same thing...on a worse team
- AllInForFlyers


I'm not saying Stralman is better than Yandle. I would much rather have Stralman, 2016 1st and Duclair than Boyle and Yandle though
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Mar 1 @ 5:28 PM ET
zepp "loaned" back to phantoms. stolarz recalled. i still don't understand wtf they're doing.
- hammarby31

wait till the carnival is over young one
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Mar 1 @ 5:28 PM ET
zepp "loaned" back to phantoms. stolarz recalled. i still don't understand wtf they're doing.
- hammarby31

I thought I saw someone explain that it's due to an AHL playoff eligibility thing.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Mar 1 @ 5:28 PM ET
The $8.5 mill to King Hank will hurt paying a few forwards, the one year deals he gave to Zucc, & Stepan are already backfiring.
- puckhead17


Not really the point of that post but yes.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 1 @ 5:29 PM ET
The rangers d core: 24.8 million
-Girardi, McDonagh, Boyle, Staal, Klein, Yandle, Hunwick

The Flyers: 24.65 million.
-Streit, MacDonald, Coburn, Luke Schenn, Grossmann, MDZ, Schultz

Why thank you Paul. Job well done.

- flyer_nutter


Good lord.

Luke Schenn was brutal last night. That feeble backhand turnover was a joke.
Only negative that and the Grossman injury. Flyers played a solid game last night. Mason was great. MDZ played a hell of a game.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 1 @ 5:30 PM ET
Yep. I don't think Stralman holds up -- we'll see, but I don't think he's that kind of player for long
- AllInForFlyers


Yandle and Stralman are the same age
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Mar 1 @ 5:30 PM ET
Good lord.

Luke Schenn was brutal last night. That feeble backhand turnover was a joke.
Only negative that and the Grossman injury. Flyers played a solid game last night. Mason was great. MDZ played a hell of a game.

- PLindbergh31


But hey, Paul did a lot of good things too!

(frank) off eh.
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