A lot of that has to do with team management. This season was lost to me before it even started. This team wasn't good last year. There was no youth on this team to grow except for B. Schenn and Couturier. They brought in no real talent to improve and sent all their prospects scurrying to juniors or the minors.

They traded in band aids and expected everyone to put on their orange coloured glasses and follow neatly in to fill the rows while preaching patience. They knew this team was a bubble team at best (they can currently thank the Bs for making them look like a bubble team now).

I can't root for them to lose but when what you have won't get it done I can certainly wave goodbye to some flotsam to add a few picks if we can. And under the current set up I'd rather finish 25th than 17th. Typically I'd trade up but apparently no one wants to trade picks at the draft anymore.
- mayorofangrytown

As a fan you can make your own choice. No professional sports team should view any season as a lost season at any time, let alone when the season is just starting. In my opinion, any management team that does that, is a disgrace, and it's a terrible message to send to your players. The Flyers management felt from day 1, that they could compete for a playoff spot, and I agreed with them then, and still do. I also disagree with stating that the only reason the Flyers are in the playoff hunt is because of the Bruins, and that the Flyers don't have anything to do with it. Each team plays 82 games, and if the Flyers wouldn't have won the games they have, and accumulated the points they have, they wouldn't be in the playoff race.

Meh... it was a hypothetical

Maybe Dean Lombardi hits his head and trades us Stoll and Reagher.
- mayorofangrytown

I have a bad feeling the Flyers are going to be stuck with some of these contracts, past the deadline, past the draft, past free agency and into next season. LeCavalier's contract is (in my idiot opinion) the one they'll never be able to move.

MacD, maybe. Streit's deal is still palatable, but I have a feeling that towards the end of it, we'll be wishing he werent still on the roster.

I was also wondering what the odds were that Schultz would be dealt, as he's now signed for 2 years at a reasonable hit and I don't recall there being the usual Homeriffic NMC attached to it.

Phillies upcoming season
- stayinthefnnet

Drinks are on me!

Phillies upcoming season
- stayinthefnnet

What has happened to that franchise is truly sad to watch. It really is

It's not a crime that Rollins and Utley and Howard got old, that Halladay ran out of bullets

What is a crime in that all the years those guys were winning divisions and pennants, the Phillies couldn't figure out how to draft their replacements

Absolutely criminal, what has happened to that team

What has happened to that franchise is truly sad to watch. It really is

It's not a crime that Rollins and Utley and Howard got old, that Halladay ran out of bullets

What is a crime in that all the years those guys were winning divisions and pennants, the Phillies couldn't figure out how to draft their replacements

Absolutely criminal, what has happened to that team
- AllInForFlyers

They did draft their replacements, Amaro traded them for Hunter Pence, Roy Oswalt and other gems

I have a bad feeling the Flyers are going to be stuck with some of these contracts, past the deadline, past the draft, past free agency and into next season. LeCavalier's contract is (in my idiot opinion) the one they'll never be able to move.

MacD, maybe. Streit's deal is still palatable, but I have a feeling that towards the end of it, we'll be wishing he werent still on the roster.

I was also wondering what the odds were that Schultz would be dealt, as he's now signed for 2 years at a reasonable hit and I don't recall there being the usual Homeriffic NMC attached to it.
- Doc_Sarcasm

Never say never, but the Flyers didn't re-sign Schultz so they could trade him. In other words they're not going to shop him, but they'll listen.

Some people don't believe it, but if they thread the needle just right, they could move Lupul, Bozak, and one of Kessel or Phaneuf, for picks and young players

Then you bring up Colton Orr, Sam Carrick, etc.

You could drop 13 of 14 in a hurry, like that
- AllInForFlyers

They went 1-10-1 in January with all hands on deck.

They did draft their replacements, Amaro traded them for Hunter Pence, Roy Oswalt and other gems
- Jsaquella

Actually, I should have been more precise -- you are correct. I don't mind trading some prospects from time to time, but not when you don't have anything left

They went 1-10-1 in January with all hands on deck.

- mayorofangrytown

Ha! They sure did -- that was damn impressive

As a fan you can make your own choice. No professional sports team should view any season as a lost season at any time, let alone when the season is just starting. In my opinion, any management team that does that, is a disgrace, and it's a terrible message to send to your players. The Flyers management felt from day 1, that they could compete for a playoff spot, and I agreed with them then, and still do. I also disagree with stating that the only reason the Flyers are in the playoff hunt is because of the Bruins, and that the Flyers don't have anything to do with it. Each team plays 82 games, and if the Flyers wouldn't have won the games they have, and accumulated the points they have, they wouldn't be in the playoff race.
- MJL

They've done a bang up job this season doing nothing but let the season play out. Thankfully one of the herd pulled up lame.

Are you sure each team plays 82 games?

Chris Lee & Frederick L’Ecuyer are the refs tonight

http://scoutingtherefs.co...-referees-linesmen-22415/

Actually, I should have been more precise -- you are correct. I don't mind trading some prospects from time to time, but not when you don't have anything left
- AllInForFlyers

I get Amaro's mindset, but man did he do a bad job. Traded decent prospects for Lee, traded him for less regarded guys just 6 months later. Gave up good prospects for Halladay, fine, guy was awesome.

Gave up better prospects for both Pence and Oswalt than he did for either Lee or Halladay. Worse, he's been forced to trade away guys like Pence, Victorino, Byrd and others for marginal returns because they're old or overpaid or both.

That's the big issue. You probably couldn't get one of the prospects that Amaro traded to Houston for pence for the entire package he got from San Fran for Pence. RAJ is horrible at asset management.

They've done a bang up job this season doing nothing but let the season play out. Thankfully one of the herd pulled up lame.

Are you sure each team plays 82 games?
- mayorofangrytown

Actually letting the season play out was the correct move for the team. Hextall has done exactly what he should be doing.

The false excuse of one of the herd pulled up lame can be used in any season. If the Flyers or any team don't win enough games they won't make the playoffs. Eliminating a team's role in the outcome of their season, is curious.

Drinks are on me!


- Jsaquella

i'll take you up on that my friend.

Dear God, Milbury and JR complaining about the Flyers goaltending...meanwhile, they are lauding how great Ward is..

FWIW:

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod 14s15 seconds ago

With Habs GM Bergevin in Chicago for Blackhawks/Panthers, Montreal also has scouts at Flyers/Hurricanes and Flames/Rangers.

I get Amaro's mindset, but man did he do a bad job. Traded decent prospects for Lee, traded him for less regarded guys just 6 months later. Gave up good prospects for Halladay, fine, guy was awesome.

Gave up better prospects for both Pence and Oswalt than he did for either Lee or Halladay. Worse, he's been forced to trade away guys like Pence, Victorino, Byrd and others for marginal returns because they're old or overpaid or both.

That's the big issue. You probably couldn't get one of the prospects that Amaro traded to Houston for pence for the entire package he got from San Fran for Pence. RAJ is horrible at asset management.
- Jsaquella

Truth

I don't know that I wouldn't have pulled the trigger on Amaro after the Lee fiasco

Dear God, Milbury and JR complaining about the Flyers goaltending...meanwhile, they are lauding how great Ward is..
- Hextall271

Roenick makes stupid comments and doubles down until proven wrong all the time.

Milbury and Roenick beating the Flyers don't have their goaltender of the future drum.

Do these guys watch the (frank)ing games? Have they seen Mason play?

It's the typical lazy journalism narrative. I expect it from Milbury, he proved he was incompetent, I expect JR to be a little more tuned in, especially since he played in Philadelphia.

FWIW:

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod 14s15 seconds ago

With Habs GM Bergevin in Chicago for Blackhawks/Panthers, Montreal also has scouts at Flyers/Hurricanes and Flames/Rangers.
- Jsaquella

Dear God, Milbury and JR complaining about the Flyers goaltending...meanwhile, they are lauding how great Ward is..
- Hextall271

They're like Dumb and Dumber, anymore.

I get Amaro's mindset, but man did he do a bad job. Traded decent prospects for Lee, traded him for less regarded guys just 6 months later. Gave up good prospects for Halladay, fine, guy was awesome.

Gave up better prospects for both Pence and Oswalt than he did for either Lee or Halladay. Worse, he's been forced to trade away guys like Pence, Victorino, Byrd and others for marginal returns because they're old or overpaid or both.

That's the big issue. You probably couldn't get one of the prospects that Amaro traded to Houston for pence for the entire package he got from San Fran for Pence. RAJ is horrible at asset management.
- Jsaquella

he needs to go. he does.

he needs to go. he does.
- stayinthefnnet

He should've been fired at the end of 2013. My mind is still gently boggling from the fact that he wasnt canned after LAST season. What exactly does he have to do to get fired?

This team needs to win a 5-1 type of game. I'll take 2 points any way I can, but I'd like to see some domination tonight.

Truth

I don't know that I wouldn't have pulled the trigger on Amaro after the Lee fiasco
- AllInForFlyers

That's really it in a nutshell. He made a good trade to get Lee. Decent prospects, but nobody who was a blue chipper. But then he turns around and trades him for dreck. I get the idea, recoup some farm guys after dealing your top pitching and catching prospects in the Halladay deal...but at least come close to recouping what you traded away in one of the two deals.

The Pence trades are the ones that got me really pissed. Cosart, Singleton and Santana gone and they got back, almost a year to the day later, Tommy Joseph(concussion prone B- prospect), Seth Rosin(lost in Rule 5 draft) and Nate Schierholtz, who they let walk as a FA.