The B's cap situation is every bit as much of a mess as the Flyers' situation, and here's the thing: Krecji is supposed to be back before the playoffs start. So, its not like they can just make a move and worry about the salary consequences after the season. They have to worry about it in the first or second week of April.

If there were only 8 teams that could've swallowed Mike Richards' deal without moving salary out, what are the chances of the Flyers or Bruins being able to make a worthwhile deal to shed salary without taking on a bad contract in return?
- Doc_Sarcasm

It's the NBA now. We're looking for an "expiring" contract. Might as well get used to it.

Friday I heard Florida was in on Kessel.

I just laughed.

- mayorofangrytown

Oh God.

It's the NBA now. We're looking for an "expiring" contract. Might as well get used to it.
- mayorofangrytown

here's the thing: expiring contracts have value now. key word out of what i posted "worthwhile".

Analyzing the value of NHL draft picks

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...ng-value-nhl-draft-picks/
- ob18

Thats why tanking cannot be discounted. Biggest discrepancy is b/w pick 3 and 4

Thats why tanking cannot be discounted. Biggest discrepancy is b/w pick 3 and 4
- Just5

Still should value every pick

Still should value every pick
- ob18

Absolutely. I'd be very happy to be picking 4th or 5th in this draft

Thats why tanking cannot be discounted. Biggest discrepancy is b/w pick 3 and 4
- Just5

That's why the NHL should change the draft lottery so that losing isn't automatically rewarded with a high pick

Nick Kypreos went berserk the other day, talking about what the Leafs are going to do and what the Sabres are doing

He advocates that lottery teams who accumulate the most points after the trade deadline should get the highest percentage at the top pick, and I'd freaking love to see something like that happen

That's why the NHL should change the draft lottery so that losing isn't automatically rewarded with a high pick

Nick Kypreos went berserk the other day, talking about what the Leafs are going to do and what the Sabres are doing

He advocates that lottery teams who accumulate the most points after the trade deadline should get the highest percentage at the top pick, and I'd freaking love to see something like that happen
- AllInForFlyers

here's the thing: expiring contracts have value now. key word out of what i posted "worthwhile".
- Doc_Sarcasm

Would it be a "worthwhile" deal to move a guy like say Andrew McDonald if we took back a 6 mil cap hit prorated to the end of the season if it expired in June?

That would seem worthwhile to me.

Still should value every pick
- ob18

That hasn't changed, though -- Scott Cullen broke it down, a few years back, for TSN

What I don't think Burtch did as well as he could is articulate just how few picks from Rounds 3-7 actually make it to the NHL. He touched on it, but he didn't truly spell it out, like Cullen did

Because yes, it could be argued that more picks is better. That is true. I acknowledge that

But more of nothing is still nothing, and if the math says that, oh, six percent of all fourth-rounders makes it to the NHL, then you could grab all 30 fourth-round picks and still only hit on one guy

That's why the NHL should change the draft lottery so that losing isn't automatically rewarded with a high pick

Nick Kypreos went berserk the other day, talking about what the Leafs are going to do and what the Sabres are doing

He advocates that lottery teams who accumulate the most points after the trade deadline should get the highest percentage at the top pick, and I'd freaking love to see something like that happen
- AllInForFlyers

I'd love to see what happened after the lost season even though Crosby ended up in Pittsburgh. Every team had a shot and all the teams were slotted by the lottery.

Still should value every pick
- ob18

Detroit finds HOFers in the 6th round, Flyers can find HOFers in the 6th round. No need for rounds 1-5

I'd love to see what happened after the lost season even though Crosby ended up in Pittsburgh. Every team had a shot and all the teams were slotted by the lottery.
- mayorofangrytown

Even more important: Every single person would be rooting for their teams to win. Every single person

Every point would matter

Now, you have "fans" rooting for teams to sell off everything but the (frank)ing logos on their chests so they can lose more. You have some people who actively want their teams to lose

That poop needs to change

Would it be a "worthwhile" deal to move a guy like say Andrew McDonald if we took back a 6 mil cap hit prorated to the end of the season if it expired in June?

That would seem worthwhile to me.
- mayorofangrytown

It would be worthwhile. What are the odds of it happening? Is there a team out there that wants MacD's deal? I don't think there is.

Even more important: Every single person would be rooting for their teams to win. Every single person

Every point would matter

Now, you have "fans" rooting for teams to sell off everything but the (frank)ing logos on their chests so they can lose more. You have some people who actively want their teams to lose

That poop needs to change
- AllInForFlyers

Players would also have more incentive to play well down the stretch and not mail it in. It would be good for the League. I love that idea. Tanking should be punished, not rewarded!

Players would also have more incentive to play well down the stretch and not mail it in. It would be good for the League. I love that idea. Tanking should be punished, not rewarded!
- MJL

Scott Morrison said it could actually lead to losing teams ADDING at the TDL, not stripping parts away, in efforts to strengthen their teams

What Buffalo has been doing for the past two years has been a disgrace. The Leafs actually deciding to bottom out in order to take a shot at getting a franchise player is disgraceful

Even more important: Every single person would be rooting for their teams to win. Every single person

Every point would matter

Now, you have "fans" rooting for teams to sell off everything but the (frank)ing logos on their chests so they can lose more. You have some people who actively want their teams to lose

That poop needs to change
- AllInForFlyers

A lot of that has to do with team management. This season was lost to me before it even started. This team wasn't good last year. There was no youth on this team to grow except for B. Schenn and Couturier. They brought in no real talent to improve and sent all their prospects scurrying to juniors or the minors.

They traded in band aids and expected everyone to put on their orange coloured glasses and follow neatly in to fill the rows while preaching patience. They knew this team was a bubble team at best (they can currently thank the Bs for making them look like a bubble team now).

I can't root for them to lose but when what you have won't get it done I can certainly wave goodbye to some flotsam to add a few picks if we can. And under the current set up I'd rather finish 25th than 17th. Typically I'd trade up but apparently no one wants to trade picks at the draft anymore.

The Leafs aren't fooling anybody, either -- they're going to try to strip that thing to the bone before this TDL, lose as many games as possible, to increase their percentage at winning the lottery or finish low enough to try to entice whoever wins the lottery with their pick in a package

It's sad, when all you have left as an organization is figuring out how to lose more so you can better make an offer to another loser

It would be worthwhile. What are the odds of it happening? Is there a team out there that wants MacD's deal? I don't think there is.
- Doc_Sarcasm

Meh... it was a hypothetical

Maybe Dean Lombardi hits his head and trades us Stoll and Reagher.

I can't root for them to lose but when what you have won't get it done I can certainly wave goodbye to some flotsam to add a few picks if we can. And under the current set up I'd rather finish 25th than 17th. Typically I'd trade up but apparently no one wants to trade picks at the draft anymore.
- mayorofangrytown

I believe you mean jetsam, since those players will be forcibly removed.

(Couldn't help myself. I just felt Richardish.)

I believe you mean jetsam, since those players will be forcibly removed.

(Couldn't help myself. I just felt Richardish.)
- tangent_man

The Leafs aren't fooling anybody, either -- they're going to try to strip that thing to the bone before this TDL, lose as many games as possible, to increase their percentage at winning the lottery or finish low enough to try to entice whoever wins the lottery with their pick in a package

It's sad, when all you have left as an organization is figuring out how to lose more so you can better make an offer to another loser
- AllInForFlyers

Management may want to do that but I'd be surprised if they could move that much.

Besides, if they really want to lose that much they should hold onto all of those players because no team knows how to lose like that group in TO.

I believe you mean jetsam, since those players will be forcibly removed.

(Couldn't help myself. I just felt Richardish.)
- tangent_man

Management may want to do that but I'd be surprised if they could move that much.

Besides, if they really want to lose that much they should hold onto all of those players because no team knows how to lose like that group in TO.
- mayorofangrytown

Some people don't believe it, but if they thread the needle just right, they could move Lupul, Bozak, and one of Kessel or Phaneuf, for picks and young players

Then you bring up Colton Orr, Sam Carrick, etc.

You could drop 13 of 14 in a hurry, like that

A lot of that has to do with team management. This season was lost to me before it even started. This team wasn't good last year. There was no youth on this team to grow except for B. Schenn and Couturier. They brought in no real talent to improve and sent all their prospects scurrying to juniors or the minors.

They traded in band aids and expected everyone to put on their orange coloured glasses and follow neatly in to fill the rows while preaching patience. They knew this team was a bubble team at best (they can currently thank the Bs for making them look like a bubble team now).

I can't root for them to lose but when what you have won't get it done I can certainly wave goodbye to some flotsam to add a few picks if we can. And under the current set up I'd rather finish 25th than 17th. Typically I'd trade up but apparently no one wants to trade picks at the draft anymore.
- mayorofangrytown

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