I want Hexall to get more picks for this year's team if it makes sense long term. As he's said, he's not going to bolster this year's team by mortgaging the future. If he sticks to this plan, then they're relaly not doing themselves a disservice. If someone says they'll overpay for one of our underperforming D, go for it.. otherwise, I am ok with us not being in the lottery if with our record of drafting in the bottom 3rd of the 1st round. Ask Edmonton if they're happy with all those super high picks after missing the playoffs for 9 yrs straight..
- Hextall271

IF the flyers had a poopty scouting staff, cheap owner and were one of the top two teams that players have on their no trade list, then Id be worried

To quote MJL -- and I'm sure he's loving that -- you can do both.

It's not an "either/or" question.

You don't have to trade Sanheim or Morin any more than you have to trade Coburn or Grossmann.

Your first priority should be to make the playoffs. And if there's a hockey deal out there that can help you do that and not weaken you for the future, then to me, that is a deal that should be made. Not trading Morin for a 34-year-old fourth-liner, for example.

But at the same time, if you are four points out of the playoffs on March 2 and your evaluation is that you have the best chance of making the playoffs with Braydon Coburn in your lineup, then (frank) no, you don't trade him on March 2 just because the draft is coming in three months and you don't have a second-round pick in it.

He's under contract. You can move him at the draft for a pick. You can move him in a player-for-player deal.

But you damn sure don't have to weaken your chances of making the playoffs this year because you want to lock in a damn draft pick on March 2!

It's not either/or!
- AllInForFlyers

Ok and if someone comes to them with a 1st for Coburn and they say no and only get a mid 2nd at the draft was that good asset management? Or maybe Coburn breaks his foot again on March 3rd and doesn't get them anything at draft and they passed up a 1st rd pick just to lose in the playoffs. Is that good asset management?

If someone gives them a good deal now, they should take it because nothing says they will get as good of a deal later.

IF the flyers had a poopty scouting staff, cheap owner and were one of the top two teams that players have on their no trade list, then Id be worried
- KINGKENZO

you mean the phillies?

you mean the phillies?
- Just5

yeesh

Are you kidding? Mattias Timander, and Eric Weinrich were as healthy as a couple of oxen.
- PLindbergh31

eric weinrack got jettisoned at the deadline, along with therien. and timander is responsible for putting the game 6 tying goal shot on net. what he was doing out there with under 2 minutes to go in that situation, should tell you all you need to know about how they were doing on the back end. i'm still mad.

Ok and if someone comes to them with a 1st for Coburn and they say no and only get a mid 2nd at the draft was that good asset management? Or maybe Coburn breaks his foot again on March 3rd and doesn't get them anything at draft and they passed up a 1st rd pick just to lose in the playoffs. Is that good asset management?

If someone gives them a good deal now, they should take it because nothing says they will get as good of a deal later.
- psuhockey

IF someone were to offer me a first id really have to think about doing it..

Ok and if someone comes to them with a 1st for Coburn and they say no and only get a mid 2nd at the draft was that good asset management? Or maybe Coburn breaks his foot again on March 3rd and doesn't get them anything at draft and they passed up a 1st rd pick just to lose in the playoffs. Is that good asset management?

If someone gives them a good deal now, they should take it because nothing says they will get as good of a deal later.
- psuhockey

I actually think if someone came to them with a 1st and something else they would make the deal. They have shown they can still survive without Coburn and it also clears some money.

Didn't need to. My point was made towards the excuses made for Del Zotto and blaming it on the coach. That Sather rushed him is also debatable.
- MJL

I kind of land near this. The D on the Wolfpack at that time was pretty solid and they did the same thing with Girardi. In addition, Sanguitti didnt do squat and he was in the same environment but never sniffed the Rags regulars.

Doesn't change the fact that he's a cockgoblin
- Giroux_Is_God

he was lucky due to flyes injuries, and i will go to my grave saying the flames were robbed in game 6. there is zero doubt in my mind that puck was over the line.

To quote MJL -- and I'm sure he's loving that -- you can do both.

It's not an "either/or" question.

You don't have to trade Sanheim or Morin any more than you have to trade Coburn or Grossmann.

Your first priority should be to make the playoffs. And if there's a hockey deal out there that can help you do that and not weaken you for the future, then to me, that is a deal that should be made. Not trading Morin for a 34-year-old fourth-liner, for example.

But at the same time, if you are four points out of the playoffs on March 2 and your evaluation is that you have the best chance of making the playoffs with Braydon Coburn in your lineup, then (frank) no, you don't trade him on March 2 just because the draft is coming in three months and you don't have a second-round pick in it.

He's under contract. You can move him at the draft for a pick. You can move him in a player-for-player deal.

But you damn sure don't have to weaken your chances of making the playoffs this year because you want to lock in a damn draft pick on March 2!

It's not either/or!
- AllInForFlyers

Hallejuhlia!

eric weinrack got jettisoned at the deadline, along with therien. and timander is responsible for putting the game 6 tying goal shot on net. what he was doing out there with under 2 minutes to go in that situation, should tell you all you need to know about how they were doing on the back end. i'm still mad.
- hammarby31

That's right. I forgot Wein-O got traded at the deadline.

Ok and if someone comes to them with a 1st for Coburn and they say no and only get a mid 2nd at the draft was that good asset management? Or maybe Coburn breaks his foot again on March 3rd and doesn't get them anything at draft and they passed up a 1st rd pick just to lose in the playoffs. Is that good asset management?

If someone gives them a good deal now, they should take it because nothing says they will get as good of a deal later.
- psuhockey

Maybe, maybe, maybe. I'd have no problem with the Flyers passing up a first round pick for Coburn. In fact if it wasn't a high first round pick, I would pass. Are we going to bring up rule changes again? Don't throw seasons away, including the current one.

Ok and if someone comes to them with a 1st for Coburn and they say no and only get a mid 2nd at the draft was that good asset management? Or maybe Coburn breaks his foot again on March 3rd and doesn't get them anything at draft and they passed up a 1st rd pick just to lose in the playoffs. Is that good asset management?

If someone gives them a good deal now, they should take it because nothing says they will get as good of a deal later.
- psuhockey

Yes, it's good asset management because you still got a quality asset for a player who you may not extend.

Is it the most perfect asset management? No. Obviously, a first is better than a second.

But it's not bad asset management just because you didn't maximize the asset because he was playing for you and helping you win!

Injuries happen. You can only do the best you can. You can only project so much.

But there's no guarantee, either, that the first-rounder you might get will pan out! Or that the second-rounder won't. Because those are projections, too.

You can't always embrace the future when the future isn't guaranteed -- nobody knows what a pick is going to do or be.

Also, like the Sekac for Pelly-Smith deal for Anaheim, much as I like DPS.

Also, gotta say, Nick Leddy sounds a lot better to me at $5.5mm than Andrew MacDonald at $5mm
- Jsaquella

god damn right

How'd you like Coburn getting player of the game on Sunday?


- Feanor

it's the media hyping up his value so hopefully someone will overpay

isn't capn' lou dead?
- hammarby31

I think all of those guys are dead. The Grand Wizard died a long time ago. Freddie Blassie is gone. All we have are their horrid replacements.

Winning every game is important. Ask the Eagles about Leroy Keyes.
- mayorofangrytown

Countepoint: Leroy Keyes never killed anyone.

/ignores on field performance

Countepoint: Leroy Keyes never killed anyone.

/ignores on field performance
- johndewar

He was the Zodiac Killer.

You can't always embrace the future when the future isn't guaranteed -- nobody knows what a pick is going to do or be.
- AllInForFlyers

I know what the present is and its mediocrity. It's been that way for 3 years. I see no point in keep doubling down on this group.

Hextall attempted to make moves last offseason and only traded Hartnell for Umberger. So making moves in the offseason isn't guarenteed

But you have to win games, T'hawk. You really do.

Look at the teams who just lose year after year after year, in all sports. They wait and wait for the next batch of saviors who never come

Detroit's been really successful since 1995, with their share of Cups. But they have managed to keep right on being a dangerous franchise by doing their best to continue winning every season that isn't one of those Cup years

We all have our positions, but I just don't see how losing helps you.
- AllInForFlyers

As you said before, can't be scared to make bold decisions, and that includes cutting your losses on a tough year and trying to position yourself better in the draft for a brighter future.

Yes, there's something to be said about Detroit.... but they are a complete and utter outlier. It's not just winning that allows them to stay in it year after year... their patience, management, coaching, scouting, and their knack for consistently being ahead of the curve and leveraging competitive advantages on and off the ice... their secret sauce is really unique in hockey.

I believe winning culture is like a spontaneous reaction -- when all the ingredients are at hand, it just happens. It's not like a torch you have to keep nursing to keep alight.

Seems like a lot to me
- Hextall271

The more I think about the more it is. Del Zotto at least in terms of points/games played is equal if not better than him this year. I think their projecting further growth for him with this.

As you said before, can't be scared to make bold decisions, and that includes cutting your losses on a tough year and trying to position yourself better in the draft for a brighter future.

Yes, there's something to be said about Detroit.... but they are a complete and utter outlier. It's not just winning that allows them to stay in it year after year... their patience, management, coaching, scouting, and their knack for consistently being ahead of the curve and leveraging competitive advantages on and off the ice... their secret sauce is really unique in hockey.

I believe winning culture is like a spontaneous reaction -- when all the ingredients are at hand, it just happens. It's not like a torch you have to keep nursing to keep alight.
- Tomahawk

My question:

How many teams in the past decade have won a cup without a player who they chose with a top 5 pick in a prior draft?

My question:

How many teams in the past decade have won a cup without a player who they chose with a top 5 pick in a prior draft?
- jak521

When you answer that one, make sure you follow with how many teams have picked in the Top 5 who not only haven't won a Cup, but have missed the playoffs after making that Top 5 selection

I know what the present is and its mediocrity. It's been that way for 3 years. I see no point in keep doubling down on this group.

Hextall attempted to make moves last offseason and only traded Hartnell for Umberger. So making moves in the offseason isn't guarenteed
- psuhockey

How is anyone suggesting doubling down on this group?

Tim's looking good there.
- mayorofangrytown

Typing good, too.

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Hextall now says Stolarz will be recalled. Emery has nagging i jury amd got hurt today