Is AMac our Richard Sherman?
- hereticpride

If you are going to use an NFL CB as an analogy with MacDonald, I think this guy is more comparable than Richard Sherman. There has to be some old school NFL guys here who recall Patterson's nickname.

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Don't even know why some people watch pro sports. They just want something handed to them without competition

The Seattle Seahawks made the playoffs in 2010 with a record of 7-9. They hadn't made the playoffs in four seasons, and they were excited to be there and to play and compete

They beat the defending Super Bowl champions in the first round, lost in the second

They have made the playoffs every year since, including winning one Super Bowl and losing one

But many of those players point back to the season where they "shouldn't have been there" and "should've quit for a better pick" as the season where they learned how to come together and win

You don't wake up one morning with a perfect roster of high draft picks and Gary Bettman gives you a Cup

You make the playoffs every year you can, and you learn how to win instead of accepting being a weak-assed franchise
- AllInForFlyers

Agreed. Although people dispute this and advocate tanking, what if you end up like the oilers? After all those high picks you've still bred a culture of losing that you can get out of. And your handcuffed by the fear or trading any of this 1st picks and them going somewhere and becoming a star. I say do your best to make the playoffs each year because the experience for your young players can be valuable. Even guys like mase jake g Schenn Laughton if he's up all can benefit from further playoff experience.

I don't care what sport it is, a team should not be allowed into the playoffs with a winning percentage below .500
- Scoob

I agree. There was that one division in football this year where I think the division winner was 7-9. While other better teams missed out on the playoffs. Who makes the playoffs shouldn't come down to geographic location.

sneaking in the playoffs as the 8 seed and losing in 5 in the first round? Honestly its hard to watch and not root for them to win and get it but honestly I feel a top 10 pick and additional draft picks is better for the team moving forward
- nastyflyergirl

i agree.

Flyers could also use thier leverage, qualify him, or offer a slight raise on a 1 year deal, and see if he can back it up next year. That could cause some ill will though.
- MJL

I have a feeling that he'll be asking for quite a lot, and not be too keen on softening his stance, RFA leverage be damned.

I agree. There was that one division in football this year where I think the division winner was 7-9. While other better teams missed out on the playoffs. Who makes the playoffs shouldn't come down to geographic location.
- MJL

I agree in a way but there is also something to winning your division. I don't think it happens that much that it really is a problem.

YALL TALKIN BOUT ME? I CAN HEAR YOU, FROM THE BENCH.

IM THE BEST 5 MILLION DOLLAR SCRATCH IN THE LEAGUE.
- stayinthefnnet

We're just saving him for the playoffs. He is one of the best advancers of the puck in the league. People aint gone no whut hittem

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Don't even know why some people watch pro sports for 40 years without the one championship, or so, every decade that would seem to make it not a TOTAL waste of time.

They just want something like the one championship, or so, every decade that would seem to make it not a TOTAL waste of time


- AllInForFlyers

ftfy

YALL TALKIN BOUT ME? I CAN HEAR YOU, FROM THE BENCH.

IM THE BEST 5 MILLION DOLLAR SCRATCH IN THE LEAGUE.
- stayinthefnnet

He's only a healthy scratch due to the Flyers tremendous depth on the blueline.
If he were in Nashville he wouldn't be scratched once. He'd be active equipment manager for all 82!

I have a feeling that he'll be asking for quite a lot, and not be too keen on softening his stance, RFA leverage be damned.
- Tomahawk

Sadly I think this to be true given his track record with the Rags and Smashville. Worried he cant get out of the way of his own ego.

I have a feeling that he'll be asking for quite a lot, and not be too keen on softening his stance, RFA leverage be damned.
- Tomahawk

Very possible, and playing the RFA leverage game could backfire if it makes him determined to use his UFA leverage after next seasons. I think the Flyers need to be prudent before getting into a long term big money deal with Del Zotto. I'd give a reasonable one year bridge deal and see what happens.

Unless you are the Pittsburgh Penguins. And I definitely dont want to cheer for the Pens.
- jak521

shots fired.

He's only a healthy scratch due to the Flyers tremendous depth on the blueline.
If he were in Nashville he wouldn't be scratched once. He'd be active equipment manager for all 82!
- PLindbergh31

haha i really dont think he is that bad of a player. usually he is a decent second pairing guy. he hasnt been as good with you guys as i consistently thought hed be, but hes still only overpaid by about a mil relative to what he is putting forth.

but it is funny seeing a long term 5 mil guy be scratched.

shots fired.
- hammarby31

bang bang

Very possible, and playing the RFA leverage game could backfire if it makes him determined to use his UFA leverage after next seasons. I think the Flyers need to be prudent before getting into a long term big money deal with Del Zotto. I'd give a reasonable one year bridge deal and see what happens.
- MJL

3 years 9 million

Very possible, and playing the RFA leverage game could backfire if it makes him determined to use his UFA leverage after next seasons. I think the Flyers need to be prudent before getting into a long term big money deal with Del Zotto. I'd give a reasonable one year bridge deal and see what happens.
- MJL

Del Zotto was a solid player until Torts came along. But the system wasn't really accommodating to his game. I think him and Nick Leddy are pretty comparable. I would think if you can get something done like 4 @ 4.5 it would be a good deal.

I agree in a way but there is also something to winning your division. I don't think it happens that much that it really is a problem.
- J35Bacher

But when it does it is a huge embarrassment.

I have a feeling that he'll be asking for quite a lot, and not be too keen on softening his stance, RFA leverage be damned.
- Tomahawk

That is where your evaluations come in, and you have to trust your method of rating players

If you evaluate him and think he is part of the solution, then you negotiate and find common ground

If you feel that the numbers are hollow, that it's a case of being the tallest midget, then you trade him or walk away

I am one of those who believes that you don't have to be afraid of doing any of the above. If you think he is part of the solution, then make a deal. if not, walk.

But whatever one it is, be decisive and get the business done to benefit the franchise

Del Zotto was a solid player until Torts came along. But the system wasn't really accommodating to his game. I think him and Nick Leddy are pretty comparable. I would think if you can get something done like 4 @ 4.5 it would be a good deal.
- J35Bacher

I put the blame on Del Zotto not Tortorella. Del Zotto had soild seasons under Tortorella. I don't think it had anything to do with the system. No way would I get involved with a deal like that with Del Zotto at this point. Very happy with how he is playing now, but there is risk that he'll regress again. If he backs it up next season, then I'd be more willing.

That is where your evaluations come in, and you have to trust your method of rating players

If you evaluate him and think he is part of the solution, then you negotiate and find common ground

If you feel that the numbers are hollow, that it's a case of being the tallest midget, then you trade him or walk away

I am one of those who believes that you don't have to be afraid of doing any of the above. If you think he is part of the solution, then make a deal. if not, walk.

But whatever one it is, be decisive and get the business done to benefit the franchise
- AllInForFlyers

I strongly believe that MDZ is a long-term keeper, but like somebody said above, it might take ~$4M/per to keep him around.

It's also a tough TDL/summer to be trying to move salary out to make that happen... w/ all the future uncertainty surrounding the cap-limit and all.

i agree.
- hammarby31

most would agree that isn't what they want. the problem is that it might not be a first round exit if they get in. i think we can keep most of our guys thru the tdl and make a run at the post season. then make moves in the off-season (draft day, anyone?) to get the return in picks and prospects.

I put the blame on Del Zotto not Tortorella. Del Zotto had soild seasons under Tortorella. I don't think it had anything to do with the system. No way would I get involved with a deal like that with Del Zotto at this point. Very happy with how he is playing now, but there is risk that he'll regress again. If he backs it up next season, then I'd be more willing.
- MJL

But we blame Berube for everything. I thought that's how it works(sarcasm)


I get that. But if he goes and puts up a good season then your at risk at paying even more. Now your paying more for years when he is older and can regress faster. I dn't know what the right amount could be. I guess my thinking is paying 4.5 for 4 years when he is 25-28 instead of maybe paying 5@ 5.5 for years 26-30.

Del Zotto was a solid player until Torts came along. But the system wasn't really accommodating to his game. I think him and Nick Leddy are pretty comparable. I would think if you can get something done like 4 @ 4.5 it would be a good deal.
- J35Bacher

Sather definitely rushed him up, then Torts buried him for all the inexperience and over-exuberance that comes with youth and poor development.

He was completely shell shocked by the time Vigneault took over.

Seems to have reacquired some of his essential swagger here.

haha i really dont think he is that bad of a player. usually he is a decent second pairing guy. he hasnt been as good with you guys as i consistently thought hed be, but hes still only overpaid by about a mil relative to what he is putting forth.

but it is funny seeing a long term 5 mil guy be scratched.
- stayinthefnnet

I'm not a fan, but I prefer him in the lineup to L. Schenn.

If you are going to use an NFL CB as an analogy with MacDonald, I think this guy is more comparable than Richard Sherman. There has to be some old school NFL guys here who recall Patterson's nickname.


- PLindbergh31

HAHAHA,Toast, have not heard that name in a long time!