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77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Feb 24 @ 12:39 PM ET
Word to the wise. If you are eating lunch right now, don't backread
- PhillySportsGuy


And if that bothers you, don't go to Disney World's Animal Kingdom and try and sit through "It's A Bug's Life".

You'll have nightmares.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 24 @ 12:39 PM ET
Domestic.
- Streit2ThePoint

Heathen!
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 24 @ 12:42 PM ET
Gotta let him slide, imo. No way can they pay another defensman on this roster $5+ million without having really proven themselves. I love MDZ, and I really hop they can re-sign him.. but not if it means breaking the bank. Another stipulation of that kind of money would be, you would have to lose someone... whether it be Coburn or Grossman.. or if by some chance you'd get a taker for McD or Schenn...

Here's to hoping they work out a deal and there's no offer sheets..

- WarriorHockey21


I agree. It's tough. I hope they can work out a reasonable deal for both sides.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Feb 24 @ 12:43 PM ET
just thankful MDZ is RFA, because he is going to get paid as UFA if /he keeps it up
- Marc D


Flyers will have an interesting time figuring out what to do with him. Let him play out the year and make a decision. He could have the potential to take over Streit's duties when he leaves. If he finishes strong I would consider a 3 year deal.
FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

Feb 24 @ 12:50 PM ET
Word to the wise. If you are eating lunch right now, don't backread
- PhillySportsGuy


Thanks for the heads up.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Feb 24 @ 12:51 PM ET
Heathen!
- PhillySportsGuy




It was on sale.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Feb 24 @ 12:51 PM ET
Word to the wise. If you are eating lunch right now, don't backread
- PhillySportsGuy

The baby alpacas though
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 24 @ 12:58 PM ET
Flyers will have an interesting time figuring out what to do with him. Let him play out the year and make a decision. He could have the potential to take over Streit's duties when he leaves. If he finishes strong I would consider a 3 year deal.
- Just5


I don't know if he can replace Streit as a PP QB, he's been disappointing in that role.

But he's great at providing offense at ES.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Feb 24 @ 1:02 PM ET
I don't know if he can replace Streit as a PP QB, he's been disappointing in that role.

But he's great at providing offense at ES.

- Feanor



He is playing on the 2nd unit and they maybe get 25-30 seconds sometimes. It's not like he is playing with Giroux and Voracek. I think if he were with the top unit he would be just fine.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 24 @ 1:06 PM ET
He is playing on the 2nd unit and they maybe get 25-30 seconds sometimes. It's not like he is playing with Giroux and Voracek. I think if he were with the top unit he would be just fine.
- J35Bacher


He's been out there for a minute or more plenty of times this season, and never shown me he can get the puck on net with a slapshot like Streit can.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Feb 24 @ 1:10 PM ET
Its good for the boys to have a bit of a better end to their season than going out with the tail in between their legs.

Just hope management realises that continuing an organic growth and attempting to stockpile draft picks is the correct path.

A firesale was generally always out of the question anyway, as most of the players you want to deal, are essentially untradeable. At no time however, should a deal be avoided that brings good value, just for a chance at the playoffs. Even if that means slightly hurting the teams chances at making it to the dance.

Build forward, and not for some stupid chance to smell round 1. You want them to go all the way, not just taking the chicks bra off and getting a grope in.

Stay the course.

AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Feb 24 @ 1:14 PM ET
So again, I ask...if you're not a "Cup contender", why even bother playing a game? Just don't even go to any games, you'll be 0-82, and get a high pick. Heck, you could just trade every single player on the team, have an all-AHL roster (along with some overpriced veterans to reach the cap floor) and have like 40 draft picks. From what you're saying, that would be preferable, because winning is a horrible thing to do unless you win the Cup.
- jmatchett383


Best post of the day

Don't even know why some people watch pro sports. They just want something handed to them without competition

The Seattle Seahawks made the playoffs in 2010 with a record of 7-9. They hadn't made the playoffs in four seasons, and they were excited to be there and to play and compete

They beat the defending Super Bowl champions in the first round, lost in the second

They have made the playoffs every year since, including winning one Super Bowl and losing one

But many of those players point back to the season where they "shouldn't have been there" and "should've quit for a better pick" as the season where they learned how to come together and win

You don't wake up one morning with a perfect roster of high draft picks and Gary Bettman gives you a Cup

You make the playoffs every year you can, and you learn how to win instead of accepting being a weak-assed franchise
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Feb 24 @ 1:31 PM ET
Best post of the day

Don't even know why some people watch pro sports. They just want something handed to them without competition

The Seattle Seahawks made the playoffs in 2010 with a record of 7-9. They hadn't made the playoffs in four seasons, and they were excited to be there and to play and compete

They beat the defending Super Bowl champions in the first round, lost in the second

They have made the playoffs every year since, including winning one Super Bowl and losing one

But many of those players point back to the season where they "shouldn't have been there" and "should've quit for a better pick" as the season where they learned how to come together and win

You don't wake up one morning with a perfect roster of high draft picks and Gary Bettman gives you a Cup

You make the playoffs every year you can, and you learn how to win instead of accepting being a weak-assed franchise

- AllInForFlyers

Unless you are the Pittsburgh Penguins. And I definitely dont want to cheer for the Pens.
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Feb 24 @ 1:33 PM ET
Best post of the day

Don't even know why some people watch pro sports. They just want something handed to them without competition

The Seattle Seahawks made the playoffs in 2010 with a record of 7-9. They hadn't made the playoffs in four seasons, and they were excited to be there and to play and compete

They beat the defending Super Bowl champions in the first round, lost in the second

They have made the playoffs every year since, including winning one Super Bowl and losing one

But many of those players point back to the season where they "shouldn't have been there" and "should've quit for a better pick" as the season where they learned how to come together and win

You don't wake up one morning with a perfect roster of high draft picks and Gary Bettman gives you a Cup

You make the playoffs every year you can, and you learn how to win instead of accepting being a weak-assed franchise

- AllInForFlyers

The Seattle Seahawks example might carry more weight if the Flyers were in fact a young team on the upswing but they have only 4 players on the roster under 25 with one of them being Rinaldo. The majority of this team is in there prime years now.

How come they didn't learn how to win last year? Wasn't the 2nd rd playoff loss to New Jersey suppose to be a valuable learning experience when these guys were 3 years younger? I remember all the learning they supposedly did at the end of the 2013 season by winning all those games at the end of the season that was suppose to carry over into the start of the next season. They promptly started 1-7 and got their coach fired.

Also Seattle missed the playoffs in 2011 the year after they made it at 7-9.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 24 @ 1:34 PM ET
Is AMac our Richard Sherman?
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Feb 24 @ 1:37 PM ET
The Seattle Seahawks example might carry more weight if the Flyers were in fact a young team on the upswing but they have only 4 players on the roster under 25 with one of them being Rinaldo. The majority of this team is in there prime years now.

How come they didn't learn how to win last year? Wasn't the 2nd rd playoff loss to New Jersey suppose to be a valuable learning experience when these guys were 3 years younger? I remember all the learning they supposedly did at the end of the 2013 season by winning all those games at the end of the season that was suppose to carry over into the start of the next season. They promptly started 1-7 and got their coach fired.

Also Seattle missed the playoffs in 2011 the year after they made it at 7-9.

- psuhockey


well, if theyre in their prime now, maybe it would be better to make the playoffs as much as you can with them, before they are out if it. not necessarily saying one way is correct or not, but there are multiple ways to look at it.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Feb 24 @ 1:38 PM ET
Is AMac our Richard Sherman?
- hereticpride


YALL TALKIN BOUT ME? I CAN HEAR YOU, FROM THE BENCH.

IM THE BEST 5 MILLION DOLLAR SCRATCH IN THE LEAGUE.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 24 @ 1:39 PM ET
Flyers will have an interesting time figuring out what to do with him. Let him play out the year and make a decision. He could have the potential to take over Streit's duties when he leaves. If he finishes strong I would consider a 3 year deal.
- Just5



Flyers could also use thier leverage, qualify him, or offer a slight raise on a 1 year deal, and see if he can back it up next year. That could cause some ill will though.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Feb 24 @ 1:40 PM ET
He's been out there for a minute or more plenty of times this season, and never shown me he can get the puck on net with a slapshot like Streit can.
- Feanor


That's something that he can improve. Streit didn't even play or at least make his mark in this league until he was what 27-28?

I think that Streit is the better defensive player right now. He's just crafty.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Feb 24 @ 1:41 PM ET
The Seattle Seahawks example might carry more weight if the Flyers were in fact a young team on the upswing but they have only 4 players on the roster under 25 with one of them being Rinaldo. The majority of this team is in there prime years now.

How come they didn't learn how to win last year? Wasn't the 2nd rd playoff loss to New Jersey suppose to be a valuable learning experience when these guys were 3 years younger? I remember all the learning they supposedly did at the end of the 2013 season by winning all those games at the end of the season that was suppose to carry over into the start of the next season. They promptly started 1-7 and got their coach fired.

Also Seattle missed the playoffs in 2011 the year after they made it at 7-9.

- psuhockey


Maybe the reason the Flyers made the playoffs last year, after that awful start, was because they did play hard for those games at the end of 2012. Ever think that? Or the reason that they have played hard and narrowed the deficit to four points is because they have learned not to quit?

What happened when things got tough for Edmonton last year? They folded. This year? They folded.

What about the Leafs? They absolutely folded.

There are teams out there filled with losers. Because they never sniff what it means to overcome adversity and win games when it matters -- whether it be a regular-season game or a rivalry game or a playoff game.

The Calgary Flames missed the playoffs quite a few years, but they refused to tank. They won as many games as they could, even though "it cost them draft position."

Look where they are now. Look where the Oilers are now.

Losers lose. The easiest thing to do is point to the Pens. Not so easy when you realize the flip-side is being Atlanta/Winnipeg, which has made the playoffs once in 16 years, because the team was filled with players who learned that losing was OK
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Feb 24 @ 1:41 PM ET
wasn't someone asking about him last night?


Risto Pakarinen ‏@puckarinen 3m3 minutes ago

Färjestad’s Justin Pogge’s save% .930 is league-best in Sweden. Bounced nicely back after seasons in Italy and second-tier league in Sweden.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 24 @ 1:42 PM ET
Best post of the day

Don't even know why some people watch pro sports. They just want something handed to them without competition

The Seattle Seahawks made the playoffs in 2010 with a record of 7-9. They hadn't made the playoffs in four seasons, and they were excited to be there and to play and compete

They beat the defending Super Bowl champions in the first round, lost in the second

They have made the playoffs every year since, including winning one Super Bowl and losing one

But many of those players point back to the season where they "shouldn't have been there" and "should've quit for a better pick" as the season where they learned how to come together and win

You don't wake up one morning with a perfect roster of high draft picks and Gary Bettman gives you a Cup

You make the playoffs every year you can, and you learn how to win instead of accepting being a weak-assed franchise

- AllInForFlyers



Amen, couldn't have said it better myself. Winning leads to more winning.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Feb 24 @ 1:42 PM ET
solid deal
- Just5


Seems like a lot to me
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Feb 24 @ 1:44 PM ET
Maybe the reason the Flyers made the playoffs last year, after that awful start, was because they did play hard for those games at the end of 2012. Ever think that? Or the reason that they have played hard and narrowed the deficit to four points is because they have learned not to quit?

What happened when things got tough for Edmonton last year? They folded. This year? They folded.

What about the Leafs? They absolutely folded.

There are teams out there filled with losers. Because they never sniff what it means to overcome adversity and win games when it matters -- whether it be a regular-season game or a rivalry game or a playoff game.

The Calgary Flames missed the playoffs quite a few years, but they refused to tank. They won as many games as they could, even though "it cost them draft position."

Look where they are now. Look where the Oilers are now.

Losers lose. The easiest thing to do is point to the Pens. Not so easy when you realize the flip-side is being Atlanta/Winnipeg, which has made the playoffs once in 16 years, because the team was filled with players who learned that losing was OK

- AllInForFlyers

Or perhaps the teams that stink like Edmonton and Toronto are losers because they don't have enough talent. Could that be the answer instead of their inability to learn to win? Did Richards and Carter learn lessons to win in LA they didn't learn in Philadelphia or was it because they had Drew Doughty, Anze Kopitar and Quick to play with? Maybe Chicago's rebuild went better than Edmonton's because they drafted more good players particularly on defense?

As far as dumb cliches go, is Laviolette more successful this year in Nashville then he was at the end of his Flyers stint because Nashville plays with more jam? Or is it because of Rinne, Weber, Josi and the rest of the good mobile defense?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:47 PM ET

The Seattle Seahawks made the playoffs in 2010 with a record of 7-9.

- AllInForFlyers


I don't care what sport it is, a team should not be allowed into the playoffs with a winning percentage below .500
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