I don't know, both of the Panthers fans and their part-time beat writer who writes for the local supermarket circular can be pretty harsh.
- jmatchett383




If you're coming to HB to read good writing then I would have to guess your reading level is just above 1st grade. Con-grat-u-la-tions! C'mon sound it out, I know you can do it little buddy.


Gotta ignore this guy, he's from NJ...Still pissed most likely about being New Yorks afterbirth.
- PanthersGoal

The amount of people under valuing Kessel is amazing to be honest I think Florida gets the better end of the deal here. But its not that bad of a deal
- bmoney411

If all was good on your end, you wouldn't be looking to clean house. We don't NEED YOU..YOU need US.

yup. he's a total dog with no leadership abilities, he's immature and he doesn't make players around him better. he wants to do it his way or no way. this guy could be a fricken force in the NHL. not a 35 goal guy, but 55-60 goal guy. he just doesn't want it.
- Fountain-San

neither true.

Bozak, JVR and Lupul all have had career years playing with kessel.

He's good, but he's not stamkos/ovie good when it comes to scoring goals.

Well, he's got a better chance to win with us.
- PanthersGoal

Win what?

1. Leafs Trade Kessel to Florida
2. Florida franchise moves to Hamilton, ON
3. Kessel wins multiple Rocket Richard trophies playing for the "other" TO team.

What could possibly go wrong?
- bluenatic411

Haaaaaaaaaaa
That would be way to funny!

Leaf fans WAKE UP!


Everyone on this thread that thinks Kessel is worth so much needs to give they're head a shake. Look, I'm a leafs fan and I have been my whole life...I bleed blue and white, but my god if you guys have been watching the games for the last 2-3 seasons then ask yourself what do you see? Phil kessel is a good guy and he can put the puck in the back of the net and thread passes like some of the best in the league no doubt... Now look, I'm not saying he's a bad player. He simply doesn't compete and he is a 1-dimensional player...a player getting payed 8million per season better be someone that is elite both offensively and defensively, that is a heart and soul type player. Phil Kessel has PACKED IT IN this year... he has been so bad it is hard to watch. Same with JVR. How can you hold these guys in such high regard? GM's around the league don't just look at the points and go: "oh phil kessel scores 30+ goals 80+points so he is worth a first round pick and 2 top end prospects" They are way more smart than that... They watch the games and see him throw in the towel every night...Who the hell would even want a guy like that on they're team? So what he scores 80+ points a year and he's been in the top 10 in scoring the past 3 seasons...what does that mean when he can't lead his team to the playoffs and the team gets scored on more often when he is on the ice? Look at his stats and see this guy has been a minus EVERY year he has been a Maple leaf...Where is his commitment off the ice? He has access to the best facilities and personal trainers in the WORLD and he still looks like he eats fast food for all of his meals... I hate ripping on the guy but where is the damn drive to get better? Sidney Crosby gets paid 8.7 million and this guy puts up 100+ points most seasons and he STILL isnt satisfied with his game...he always wants to get better. That's the type of player the leafs deserve and should be striving to build around!

JVR: He definitely competes harder than Kessel, and like Kessel he is extremely talented but watch the games and you will see that when the going gets tough JVR more often than not can't rise to the occasion. Don't get me wrong he can score and he is a big body that goes to the net but after watching the leafs melt downs the past 2-3 seasons everyone has to wake up and smell the coffee! These two guys do not have a lot of character and drive to get better (As I would argue JVR does more so than Kessel). I have watched it season after season. Right now it literally doesn't even look these these two guys are trying out there, and trust me GM's from all around the league are paying close attention to the ENTIRE leafs roster as they go through this melt down...

All I'm saying is that Leaf fans need to wake up a bit and stop over pricing our players. We are in the position we are in right now because our core players(Kessel JVR Phaneuf, Lupul ect...) clearly aren't good enough... I'm not saying they won't fetch a decent return but trust me there aren't many dumb general managers in the NHL and they know a hell of a lot more about these players than you think you do.

Win what?
- LordHumungous

So far, exactly what you have.

Leaf fans WAKE UP!


Everyone on this thread that thinks Kessel is worth so much needs to give they're head a shake. Look, I'm a leafs fan and I have been my whole life...I bleed blue and white, but my god if you guys have been watching the games for the last 2-3 seasons then ask yourself what do you see? Phil kessel is a good guy and he can put the puck in the back of the net and thread passes like some of the best in the league no doubt... Now look, I'm not saying he's a bad player. He simply doesn't compete and he is a 1-dimensional player...a player getting payed 8million per season better be someone that is elite both offensively and defensively, that is a heart and soul type player. Phil Kessel has PACKED IT IN this year... he has been so bad it is hard to watch. Same with JVR. How can you hold these guys in such high regard? GM's around the league don't just look at the points and go: "oh phil kessel scores 30+ goals 80+points so he is worth a first round pick and 2 top end prospects" They are way more smart than that... They watch the games and see him throw in the towel every night...Who the hell would even want a guy like that on they're team? So what he scores 80+ points a year and he's been in the top 10 in scoring the past 3 seasons...what does that mean when he can't lead his team to the playoffs and the team gets scored on more often when he is on the ice? Look at his stats and see this guy has been a minus EVERY year he has been a Maple leaf...Where is his commitment off the ice? He has access to the best facilities and personal trainers in the WORLD and he still looks like he eats fast food for all of his meals... I hate ripping on the guy but where is the damn drive to get better? Sidney Crosby gets paid 8.7 million and this guy puts up 100+ points most seasons and he STILL isnt satisfied with his game...he always wants to get better. That's the type of player the leafs deserve and should be striving to build around!

JVR: He definitely competes harder than Kessel, and like Kessel he is extremely talented but watch the games and you will see that when the going gets tough JVR more often than not can't rise to the occasion. Don't get me wrong he can score and he is a big body that goes to the net but after watching the leafs melt downs the past 2-3 seasons everyone has to wake up and smell the coffee! These two guys do not have a lot of character and drive to get better (As I would argue JVR does more so than Kessel). I have watched it season after season. Right now it literally doesn't even look these these two guys are trying out there, and trust me GM's from all around the league are paying close attention to the ENTIRE leafs roster as they go through this melt down...

All I'm saying is that Leaf fans need to wake up a bit and stop over pricing our players. We are in the position we are in right now because our core players(Kessel JVR Phaneuf, Lupul ect...) clearly aren't good enough... I'm not saying they won't fetch a decent return but trust me there aren't many dumb general managers in the NHL and they know a hell of a lot more about these players than you think you do.
- Pleiadian4

Did not read

its the contract they are stuck with, especially in the later years
- flashfire

get a clue

Kessel can and will be traded, the team trading for him will have to worry about the later years

Did not read
- Iggysbff

Liar

If all was good on your end, you wouldn't be looking to clean house. We don't NEED YOU..YOU need US.
- PanthersGoal

Considering the panthers only survival is the revenue sharing amongst the teams and Toronto is the leader in that category I would say YOU need US!

Considering the panthers only survival is the revenue sharing amongst the teams and Toronto is the leader in that category I would say YOU need US!
- justmike

Just out of curiosity, do the Blue Jays grab Dodger, Yankee, and Red Sox money? You perennial losers are always crying about the dough. Your product is crap, don't support it.

I will be very surprised if Phil is moved before the summer.

Just out of curiosity, do the Blue Jays grab Dodger, Yankee, and Red Sox money? You perennial losers are always crying about the dough. Your product is crap, don't support it.
- PanthersGoal

The Jays and Panthers aren't in the same universe. The Jays are profitable and have the wealthiest owners in baseball.

Leaf fans WAKE UP!


Everyone on this thread that thinks Kessel is worth so much needs to give they're head a shake. Look, I'm a leafs fan and I have been my whole life...I bleed blue and white, but my god if you guys have been watching the games for the last 2-3 seasons then ask yourself what do you see? Phil kessel is a good guy and he can put the puck in the back of the net and thread passes like some of the best in the league no doubt... Now look, I'm not saying he's a bad player. He simply doesn't compete and he is a 1-dimensional player...a player getting payed 8million per season better be someone that is elite both offensively and defensively, that is a heart and soul type player. Phil Kessel has PACKED IT IN this year... he has been so bad it is hard to watch. Same with JVR. How can you hold these guys in such high regard? GM's around the league don't just look at the points and go: "oh phil kessel scores 30+ goals 80+points so he is worth a first round pick and 2 top end prospects" They are way more smart than that... They watch the games and see him throw in the towel every night...Who the hell would even want a guy like that on they're team? So what he scores 80+ points a year and he's been in the top 10 in scoring the past 3 seasons...what does that mean when he can't lead his team to the playoffs and the team gets scored on more often when he is on the ice? Look at his stats and see this guy has been a minus EVERY year he has been a Maple leaf...Where is his commitment off the ice? He has access to the best facilities and personal trainers in the WORLD and he still looks like he eats fast food for all of his meals... I hate ripping on the guy but where is the damn drive to get better? Sidney Crosby gets paid 8.7 million and this guy puts up 100+ points most seasons and he STILL isnt satisfied with his game...he always wants to get better. That's the type of player the leafs deserve and should be striving to build around!

JVR: He definitely competes harder than Kessel, and like Kessel he is extremely talented but watch the games and you will see that when the going gets tough JVR more often than not can't rise to the occasion. Don't get me wrong he can score and he is a big body that goes to the net but after watching the leafs melt downs the past 2-3 seasons everyone has to wake up and smell the coffee! These two guys do not have a lot of character and drive to get better (As I would argue JVR does more so than Kessel). I have watched it season after season. Right now it literally doesn't even look these these two guys are trying out there, and trust me GM's from all around the league are paying close attention to the ENTIRE leafs roster as they go through this melt down...

All I'm saying is that Leaf fans need to wake up a bit and stop over pricing our players. We are in the position we are in right now because our core players(Kessel JVR Phaneuf, Lupul ect...) clearly aren't good enough... I'm not saying they won't fetch a decent return but trust me there aren't many dumb general managers in the NHL and they know a hell of a lot more about these players than you think you do.
- Pleiadian4

I find it hard to believe that Pleiadian and Pleiadian1 - 3 were all taken.

The Jays and Panthers aren't in the same universe. The Jays are profitable and have the wealthiest owners in baseball.
- RogerRoeper

And, that didn't answer the question either.

Leaf fans WAKE UP!


Everyone on this thread that thinks Kessel is worth so much needs to give they're head a shake. Look, I'm a leafs fan and I have been my whole life...I bleed blue and white, but my god if you guys have been watching the games for the last 2-3 seasons then ask yourself what do you see? Phil kessel is a good guy and he can put the puck in the back of the net and thread passes like some of the best in the league no doubt... Now look, I'm not saying he's a bad player. He simply doesn't compete and he is a 1-dimensional player...a player getting payed 8million per season better be someone that is elite both offensively and defensively, that is a heart and soul type player. Phil Kessel has PACKED IT IN this year... he has been so bad it is hard to watch. Same with JVR. How can you hold these guys in such high regard? GM's around the league don't just look at the points and go: "oh phil kessel scores 30+ goals 80+points so he is worth a first round pick and 2 top end prospects" They are way more smart than that... They watch the games and see him throw in the towel every night...Who the hell would even want a guy like that on they're team? So what he scores 80+ points a year and he's been in the top 10 in scoring the past 3 seasons...what does that mean when he can't lead his team to the playoffs and the team gets scored on more often when he is on the ice? Look at his stats and see this guy has been a minus EVERY year he has been a Maple leaf...Where is his commitment off the ice? He has access to the best facilities and personal trainers in the WORLD and he still looks like he eats fast food for all of his meals... I hate ripping on the guy but where is the damn drive to get better? Sidney Crosby gets paid 8.7 million and this guy puts up 100+ points most seasons and he STILL isnt satisfied with his game...he always wants to get better. That's the type of player the leafs deserve and should be striving to build around!

JVR: He definitely competes harder than Kessel, and like Kessel he is extremely talented but watch the games and you will see that when the going gets tough JVR more often than not can't rise to the occasion. Don't get me wrong he can score and he is a big body that goes to the net but after watching the leafs melt downs the past 2-3 seasons everyone has to wake up and smell the coffee! These two guys do not have a lot of character and drive to get better (As I would argue JVR does more so than Kessel). I have watched it season after season. Right now it literally doesn't even look these these two guys are trying out there, and trust me GM's from all around the league are paying close attention to the ENTIRE leafs roster as they go through this melt down...

All I'm saying is that Leaf fans need to wake up a bit and stop over pricing our players. We are in the position we are in right now because our core players(Kessel JVR Phaneuf, Lupul ect...) clearly aren't good enough... I'm not saying they won't fetch a decent return but trust me there aren't many dumb general managers in the NHL and they know a hell of a lot more about these players than you think you do.
- Pleiadian4

All I hear is how useless these players are. who is overvaluing Leaf players?

And, that didn't answer the question either.
- PanthersGoal

How about this - Jays are net contributors to the revenue sharing system.

All I hear is how useless these players are. who is overvaluing Leaf players?
- RogerRoeper

Start reading comments early on in the thread

And, that didn't answer the question either.
- PanthersGoal

What's this have to do at all with hockey?

neither true.

Bozak, JVR and Lupul all have had career years playing with kessel.

He's good, but he's not stamkos/ovie good when it comes to scoring goals.
- Tumbleweed

Haha yeah but NO ONE is a Stamkos or Ovechkin when it comes to scoring. Nothing wrong with a Bronze medal in scoring goals.

Did not read
- Iggysbff

Why would anyone care if you didn't read a post?

What's this have to do at all with hockey?
- Pleiadian4

Do the scrolling, you can then figure it out.

yup. he's a total dog with no leadership abilities, he's immature and he doesn't make players around him better. he wants to do it his way or no way. this guy could be a fricken force in the NHL. not a 35 goal guy, but 55-60 goal guy. he just doesn't want it.
- Fountain-San

All the evidence says this is incorrect.