A little harsh, but he snapped. I've snapped too, especially at that unnamed source guy who couldn't wait to say NO to everything I had to say. I've had a disagreement with just about everyone here at some point including Paulr. It's hockey, a passionate sport. It happens. But if I had to nominate a best poster at this site it would be snap it upstairs. Consistently insightful posts.
- 6628

And here I thought we came so far 66.

ehhhh...that may be a stretch, but certainly solid enough to win. Hasn't it also been repeated endlessly, here and elsewhere, that the Hawks...

...do not require world class goaltending...

...when playing at their best. Meaning solid possession game, allowing few shots, blocking shots, keeping teams to the outside and limiting quality chances?

That description is the opposite of what we've been seeing of late.
- ArlingtonRob

Yeah was mostly kidding about elite, though I like CC and yes they haven't had a consistent stretch of playing their game for a while.

some folks , no one too credible saying deal was with HABS .
- mrpaulish

P. hockeyinsiderr is 17 with a ipad. lol

Why don't you check current goalie stats? Price is at the top of them. Tell me where crow is...
- The_Prophet

If you care more about the regular season than the playoffs, I'm sure the Blues have plenty of room on their bandwagon.

Leddy is getting top4 minutes in NY and he still sucks in his own end.. I doubt the result would have changed.
- CBHawks88

Leddy is a plus 12.
During last season, leddy was getting better. Actually, his defensive style resembled Keith's, but ofc not as good. Leddy was not bad, but usually went up against not the top lines. He used body positioning and stick work, he was not terrible. But against a more physical offense, definitely was at a disadvantage. Especially after trying to recover from a physical confrontation with an adjustment of a helmet.

I am guessing that is your definition of insightful?
- paulr

P. hockeyinsiderr is 17 with a ipad. lol
- Elbows15

Is he still around? Ugh. What a beaut that kid is.

...which brings us back to team defense.

Besides, who's name is on the cup? I don't see Carey Price...at least not yet.
- ArlingtonRob

The truth lies somewhere in the middle of this argument. The OP saying that Crawford is the reason for the teams play is completely off. Goaltending has been the least of our problems this year. Raanta and Darling have been fantastic. Crawford, aside from a handful of games, has been very good as well.

Where the OP is correct is that if we did have a Tier 1 goalie, the team would be better. No matter how good anyone thinks Crow is or isnt, hes just not a Tier 1 goaltender (Lundy, Price, Quick, Rask, Rinne).

At the same time though, it was a pretty generic statement by the OP. If we had a better goalie we would win more games. Sure. But if we had Crosby and Doughty we would win more games too.

Leddy is a plus 12.
During last season, leddy was getting better. Actually, his defensive style resembled Keith's, but ofc not as good. Leddy was not bad, but usually went up against not the top lines. He used body positioning and stick work, he was not terrible. But against a more physical offense, definitely was at a disadvantage. Especially after trying to recover from a physical confrontation with an adjustment of a helmet.
- Topshelf2010

And Rundblad is a +16. What does that tell you?

I am guessing that is your definition of insightful?
- paulr

What happened to everyone's favorite friend Unnamed Source? How long is his ban?

You say Leddy should have been played, Quenneville didn't. Wonder who I would think is right?
- paulr

Should have played more during the season or how to deal with top line offense. It has to do with confidence at playing under extreme pressure. The safe play. Maybe he doesn't have it. then why did Q have him out on the ice or why he is on the team. But during the entire season, Q reduced his minutes during third period and ot.

Leddy is a plus 12.
During last season, leddy was getting better. Actually, his defensive style resembled Keith's, but ofc not as good. Leddy was not bad, but usually went up against not the top lines. He used body positioning and stick work, he was not terrible. But against a more physical offense, definitely was at a disadvantage. Especially after trying to recover from a physical confrontation with an adjustment of a helmet.
- Topshelf2010

If I then say Rundblad has a Plus 16 do you now tell me plus minus is irrelevant?

Few see Leddy being even an average defender.

If Q had a choice for a slow physical veteran dman that plays solid d most of the time but will be possibly be a liability come playoff time or a younger dman with potential but needs seasoning during the season. Who do you think Q will pick now? Who do you think Q will pick come playoff time? It would be the veteran dman in both situations. We would never know about the younger dman, which is unfortunate.

if you watched last year, Leddy should have been playing more crunch time minutes. Maybe he would have made a better play on that crap shot by Martinez.
But that is also Q's game, playing a solid defensive game with a good transition game and get back on defense. It is a good strategy, but does leave you open to some bad bounce goals or bad ref calls.
- Topshelf2010

Like I said...round and round.

FTR I wasn't for getting rid of Leddy and while he had made progress in hi sown end still had a way to go.

TVR seemed to earn Q's trust pretty quickly and with it he kept seeing his minutes go up. In this case there is no veteran Dman to pit him against for your arguments sake plus he got injured...

What happened to everyone's favorite friend Unnamed Source? How long is his ban?
- Dannyboy

He's alive and well.

Why don't you check current goalie stats? Price is at the top of them. Tell me where crow is...
- The_Prophet

So in conclusion, you want to unload a goalie with his name of the cup, who's name is on a Jenning's Trophy, who's had rock solid numbers his whole career,

but is scuffling of late to a large extent because the club around him is faltering

for a couple untested, low paid no-names because...

...Niemi helped the Hawks win a cup in 2010, so it's obviously gonna work again.

Thank goodness you're not GM, although if you can convince the Blues to hire you I'm all for it.

CC is the problem. Put any other sub par goalie in front of the 2013 team and you would have gotten the same result. The team made him look good.

Continuous lack of focus and a suspect glove hand gets 6 mil on a contender??? Wonder what a true elite goalie would have fetched from Stan?

The only team that I could see taking his contract would be buffalo in the offseason. We're stuck with 6 mil on the books and no room to shape the roster.
- The_Prophet

***sigh*** here we go again...it will never end with the crawford bashers....

>>>>Put any other sub par goalie in front of the 2013 team and you would have gotten the same result. The team made him look good.<<<

fantasy land trip with rides on speculative delusional hypotheticals....crawford was fantastic in that playoff run...if you remember correctly that team was down 3-1 to redwings and won a G7 2-1...he had one tough game: G4 vs Boston and they won that 6-5. the wild series he was excellent

>>>Continuous lack of focus and a suspect glove hand gets 6 mil on a contender??? Wonder what a true elite goalie would have fetched from Stan?<<<

please give me evidence of his "continuous lack of focus" and suspect glove hand..

oh and take some time to watch that "suspect glove" of his

https://www.youtube.com/r...crawford+great+glove+save

so the cap mess is all crawfords fault....

how many shorties has he stopped this year...how many giveaways leading to 2-1 and 3-1 has he stopped...

this team has left him on an island the last 2 months and he has bailed them out numerous times...

he was the top PK goalie up until about 2 weeks ago, 2nd in the league in shoot out save %...

so you have a nice day now

Next person who calls someone an idiot or their post idiocy or similar WILL be banned for as long as I can get a mod to do it.

People complain (whine) that this board isn't fun anymore then drive others off because they disagree with a trade proposal, but can't do so in a way that isn't ugly and personal. And the first one who tries to say I've called someone an idiot (the typical response of 1-2 people) can come back and show me where I did, after your vacation.

Sorry, this board has come a long way since the days of coordinated, personal attacks.

Would I like it to be more fun? Sure. But fun won't be ugly or personal. Which is defined as calling someone an idiot.

Peace.

What happened to everyone's favorite friend Unnamed Source? How long is his ban?
- Dannyboy

He says to say hi.

Yet here he is playing on the bottom 6 today since Versteeg returned.

7 goals and 15 assists since the return against NJ, a 33 game stretch. 22 points isn't that bad considering all the bottom 6 time he's getting.

He's got his shot back. As I said, they have no business keeping him here if he's just going to be on the bottom 6 as an insurance policy. Nobody benefits from such an arrangement.
- 333inthe3rd

You can go against the stream all you want but its been determined he is done. Of course, playing with likes of weeble-wobble Bickell, Smith and Kruger is sure to break him out of his slump any day now.

And Rundblad is a +16. What does that tell you?
- CBHawks88

that rundblad might not be what ails the Hawks at the moment.
If he is so bad, then why is he a +16. Should he see more time?
FYI - I am not a rundblad fan, because I think he will see no playoff time or 5 to 8 minutes a game if that. And I do see that he is quite skeptical in the d zone.

Edit: I cannot believe Rundblad is a +16. wow. I had to double check, I thought you were pulling my leg. lol

The truth lies somewhere in the middle of this argument. The OP saying that Crawford is the reason for the teams play is completely off. Goaltending has been the least of our problems this year. Raanta and Darling have been fantastic. Crawford, aside from a handful of games, has been very good as well.

Where the OP is correct is that if we did have a Tier 1 goalie, the team would be better. No matter how good anyone thinks Crow is or isnt, hes just not a Tier 1 goaltender (Lundy, Price, Quick, Rask, Rinne).

At the same time though, it was a pretty generic statement by the OP. If we had a better goalie we would win more games. Sure. But if we had Crosby and Doughty we would win more games too.
- Bhawks35

I agree. It's somewhere in the middle of give us a tier 2 goalie making 1/4 of what Crow is getting and we know have 4.5 mil to get some d help. Or give me a tier 1 goalie that can make a save when absolutely needed. I'm good with both scenarios. Anyone but Crow and his 6 mil circus.

I gotta go to work...adios everyone.

You too Prophet, no hard feelings for our disagreement.

All part of the hockeybuzz experience!

Depends on the cap. Who is to say it will jump.....enough for the 'Hawks. Isn't that exactly what forced the Sept-2012 lockout?
- blackhawk24

Subban signed for 9 M. What has he even come close to accomplishing?
The problem is the Hawks have the bad fortune to have 2 of the top players in the game.

He says to say hi.
- HawkintheD

About as relevant as Nick Boynton!!

that rundblad might not be what ails the Hawks at the moment.
If he is so bad, then why is he a +16. Should he see more time?
FYI - I am not a rundblad fan, because I think he will see no playoff time or 5 to 8 minutes a game if that. And I do see that he is quite skeptical in the d zone.
- Topshelf2010

I'm with ya when it comes to Rundblad.. Although I do think he gets a lot of unwarranted blame for this team's struggles...

And I have no explanation for the numbers lol. I leave that to LBR