That would be great if that sort of thing were allowed in the NHL.
- HawkintheD

Are we already debating 19 and 88 contracts? Really?

Give it 2 years and they will be a steal.

Bettman saw that the Hawks may utilize it and made sure it wasn't written into the CBA.
- paulr

Bettman!

I thought initially they would sign for close to the same money as Perry and Getzlaf...But that was wrong thinking.

Kane and Toews were younger when they signed long term deals than Perry and Getzlaf and deserved more money. Basically they got the market price, comparable to the Ducks 2 stars and that would be the best comps possible.

Bowman had a chance to get the pot right and shuffle the deck this past summer. He thought the group deserved to stay together...

As far as Q goes he has been consistent and rides the best players. Last time I checked Toews and Hossa are still killing penalties and Q won't change unless he has to.

Bowman stood pat and many GM's in a similar situation would have done the same after winning 2 cups.

Home town discounts seldom happen...The Hawks were very fortunate with Hammer because he left large on the table to stay here.
- Al

market price? - all conjecture.
Still like this team, but we do need help and we do need CC in the right mind set.

I thought initially they would sign for close to the same money as Perry and Getzlaf...But that was wrong thinking.

Kane and Toews were younger when they signed long term deals than Perry and Getzlaf and deserved more money. Basically they got the market price, comparable to the Ducks 2 stars and that would be the best comps possible.

Bowman had a chance to get the pot right and shuffle the deck this past summer. He thought the group deserved to stay together...

As far as Q goes he has been consistent and rides the best players. Last time I checked Toews and Hossa are still killing penalties and Q won't change unless he has to.

Bowman stood pat and many GM's in a similar situation would have done the same after winning 2 cups.

Home town discounts seldom happen...The Hawks were very fortunate with Hammer because he left large on the table to stay here.
- Al

Bill Torrey said many times that his biggest mistake with the Islanders was keeping the gang intact one year longer than he should have.

But that was a different era completely.

One thing Bowman is going to be thankful he didn't do is signing Oduya to a new multi year deal.

Are we already debating 19 and 88 contracts? Really?

Give it 2 years and they will be a steal.
- SteveRain

I'm not. Someone pointed out what Brady did and all I said was would be great if that were available.

I don't have an issue with the deals they signed and am good with Bowman keeping Batman and Robin together.

Are we already debating 19 and 88 contracts? Really?

Give it 2 years and they will be a steal.
- SteveRain

Perhaps you're right...but I'm not so sure. Time will tell. Done deals so no point in rehashing...

Yeah...that about sums it up. Also would help if guys like Johns, Pokka and Dahlbeck develop rather quickly into actual NHL talent.
- ArlingtonRob

Who's to say they aren't already NHL talent. Seems to me - from what's been written - they are just not "Q ready" yet.....

How many players have been signed for over 10 mil since the new nhl contract went into effect?
the question is not really not about "Fair". It is about the additional verbiage, home town discount. You want to look at home town discount: Look at Hjamerson.

I am also not saying the contract is totally bad, as it may reap benefits down the road in the last few years of the contract if Toews is not burned out or out of hockey because of too many head shots and Kane not slowed by injury. I am fairly certain this contract was agent driven, Toews and Kane would both be happy playing for 9 mil with a better supporting cast and a better chance at a cup every year. But yes, the Canadian dollar busted, who would have thunk it.

FWIW - skilled players need the supporting cast, the more they play and more tired they are, they lose their advantage and are more prone to injury like an Orpik hit. It happens.
- Topshelf2010

That's precisely why I would have preferred to see 19, 50 & 88 sign for $1M less each AAV. Not because I begrudge them, but because the cap rules. We can't have NHL contracts restructured like elsewhere and there is a hard cap. How much would SB like to have an extra $3M going into next season while keeping his goalie and arguably 2 of the top 10 players in the NHL....?

If there was more disposable income per family in the US this would have worked out fine for the NHL cap. When the economy hit the skids in the US it basically went the opposite way in Canada.
- Al

And while your economy gains traction Canada will keep the CDN Dollar low for exportation advantages.

market price? - all conjecture.
Still like this team, but we do need help and we do need CC in the right mind set.
- Topshelf2010

Not really...The best comparison of the value of Kane and Toews to the Hawks is what Getzlaf and Perry mean to the Ducks.

When you factor in off ice marketing etc Kane and Toews are more valuable.

There isn't another team who has two young studs that were due at the same time and close to as good as Kane and Toews. Sometimes you have to pay the line...There really was no other choice all the chips were in front of the agent for Kane and Toews.

IMO...no clue how anyone could call the T & K deals "hometown discounts". Also, the CDN dollar will rebound if....oil returns to 100+ a barrel.

So do you want $4 gas and a 75M cap, or $2.25 gas and a cap crunch?
- ArlingtonRob

I'll take $5 or even $6 gas if it increases my odds in being at United Centre come the 2nd week of June.

That's precisely why I would have preferred to see 19, 50 & 88 sign for $1M less each AAV. Not because I begrudge them, but because the cap rules. We can't have NHL contracts restructured like elsewhere and there is a hard cap. How much would SB like to have an extra $3M going into next season while keeping his goalie and arguably 2 of the top 10 players in the NHL....?
- blackhawk24

If Kane, Toews or a Stamkos were to become UFA's this summer there would be $10.5M and more available to all three of them. Guarantee the Maple Leafs would offer $12M or whatever the maximum is. Buffalo would do the same with Kane. The Rangers and Detroit would also go to the max.

And that's why there is a cap.

Bill Torrey said many times that his biggest mistake with the Islanders was keeping the gang intact one year longer than he should have.

But that was a different era completely.

One thing Bowman is going to be thankful he didn't do is signing Oduya to a new multi year deal.
- RickJ

Agree but it is easier said than done ...Torrey won 4 Cups Bowman 2 in a short time with same core. When that happens the GM usually gives more rope.

I'm not saying it is the right thinking...If you recall last summer I wrote that Spezza should be brought in for one year while Sharp and some loose change went elsewhere.

Who's to say they aren't already NHL talent. Seems to me - from what's been written - they are just not "Q ready" yet.....
- dahawks8819

John's has said he's not ready, so take that for what it's worth. Pokka is only 20. Dahlbeck has a chance at regular minutes starting next year...IMO

Regarding Sharp alone, they did have that more recent game at Anaheim post all star break, where Sharp had 4 assists, the 2nd line looked great, and the entire team itself looked unstoppable. So, idk...
- SimpleJack

Yet here he is playing on the bottom 6 today since Versteeg returned.

7 goals and 15 assists since the return against NJ, a 33 game stretch. 22 points isn't that bad considering all the bottom 6 time he's getting.

He's got his shot back. As I said, they have no business keeping him here if he's just going to be on the bottom 6 as an insurance policy. Nobody benefits from such an arrangement.

Are we already debating 19 and 88 contracts? Really?

Give it 2 years and they will be a steal.
- SteveRain

Depends on the cap. Who is to say it will jump.....enough for the 'Hawks. Isn't that exactly what forced the Sept-2012 lockout?

Food for thought:

Sharp was hurt in the game on Nov 4 against Montreal, and returned for the Dec 9 game against NJ.

Up to the game of the injury, the Hawks went 7-5-1.

While he was out, the Hawks went 11-3.

After coming back, and up to the time of Reif's death, they went 4-1-1.

Post Reif's death and with Sharp, they have gone 13-11-3.

I hope I didn't miscount anything along the way.
- 333inthe3rd

hmmm very interesting to me that kinda points to the problem no?

And while your economy gains traction Canada will keep the CDN Dollar low for exportation advantages.
- paulr

What? Is their new currency the Renminbi?

Yet here he is playing on the bottom 6 today since Versteeg returned.

7 goals and 15 assists since the return against NJ, a 33 game stretch. 22 points isn't that bad considering all the bottom 6 time he's getting.

He's got his shot back. As I said, they have no business keeping him here if he's just going to be on the bottom 6 as an insurance policy. Nobody benefits from such an arrangement.
- 333inthe3rd

I agree, at this point id rather see Sharp in the top 6. Why not try putting him back with Toews and Hossa? That line was great last season. Keep Versteeg, Richards, and Kane together, try Saad with Shaw and Bickell, and put Nordstrom and Smith back in there with Kruger.

Agree but it is easier said than done ...Torrey won 4 Cups Bowman 2 in a short time with same core. When that happens the GM usually gives more rope.

I'm not saying it is the right thinking...If you recall last summer I wrote that Spezza should be brought in for one year while Sharp and some loose change went elsewhere.
- Al

I recall you saying that Al, and you may have nailed it.

Sharp's value is plummeting before our eyes. Perhaps it's just an off-year, but he ain't a young'n anymore...33 yo I think...with what, 2 years left on his deal @5M per?

As an asset he may be virtually worthless at this point, but all it takes is one GM who wants him...

...Dale?

Wow, I didn't know. Thanks for setting me straight. My office is a couple of miles away so a couple times in the summer I bail on work about the 3rd inning and buy a ticket a scalper got stuck with. Never had to pay anywhere near face value.
- 6628

Yes it suckS kInda. Boss at work retiring this month . We got her 2 tix for openig day. sec 518 $255 totAl

What? Is their new currency the Renminbi?
- blackhawk24

Not sure why we'd be using Chinese currency?

I recall you saying that Al, and you may have nailed it.

Sharp's value is plummeting before our eyes. Perhaps it's just an off-year, but he ain't a young'n anymore...33 yo I think...with what, 2 years left on his deal @5M per?

As an asset he may be virtually worthless at this point, but all it takes is one GM who wants him...

...Dale?
- ArlingtonRob

Get Sharp back on the top lines ASAP!!!! We need his value to rise.

I agree, at this point id rather see Sharp in the top 6. Why not try putting him back with Toews and Hossa? That line was great last season. Keep Versteeg, Richards, and Kane together, try Saad with Shaw and Bickell, and put Nordstrom and Smith back in there with Kruger.
- SimpleJack

I agree...would luv to see it.

But Q is captain lineblender! ...and I still expect to see Cumiskey at forward at some point.

I mean...what could possibly go wrong?

Get Sharp back on the top lines ASAP!!!! We need his value to rise.
- Topshelf2010

We need the Hawks to get better not for Sharp's value to rise.