CC is the problem. Put any other sub par goalie in front of the 2013 team and you would have gotten the same result. The team made him look good.

Continuous lack of focus and a suspect glove hand gets 6 mil on a contender??? Wonder what a true elite goalie would have fetched from Stan?

The only team that I could see taking his contract would be buffalo in the offseason. We're stuck with 6 mil on the books and no room to shape the roster.
- The_Prophet

Sounds like the argument made in the past that the Hawks were winning DESPITE Q, and that a drunk chimpanzee could lead the Hawks to the cup.

Nonsense in my book...all of it.

This subject has gone 'round and 'round...and will continue to, but the notion that Raanta or Darling could replace CC seems absurd to me.

The fact that the goalie carousel worked in 2010 has led many to believe it's simple and easily repeated.

How quickly people forget the post Belfour years...and Eddie didn't win sh!t as a Hawk. Of course, I'm ignoring the team D issues of that time period for the sake of argument.
- ArlingtonRob

During the 2013 season, the Hawks team defense made Emery look really good.

Even during the 2010 season, if you recall, very rarely the goalie got tested and Huet would give up a bad goal or two every game. Not many chances against. At that time, hawks were giving up like 20 or less shots a game. Many goals were bad deflection off of Hawk dmen. That is how the Hawks carousel worked. Niemi played well post season, except for finals.

CC is the problem. Put any other sub par goalie in front of the 2013 team and you would have gotten the same result. The team made him look good.

Continuous lack of focus and a suspect glove hand gets 6 mil on a contender??? Wonder what a true elite goalie would have fetched from Stan?

The only team that I could see taking his contract would be buffalo in the offseason. We're stuck with 6 mil on the books and no room to shape the roster.
- The_Prophet

To use your own logic...

...if Carey Price, or any goalie, were added to this current roster the way they're playing...

...they would still be losing.

Plenty of blame to go around at the moment...it's a team game.

This subject has gone 'round and 'round...and will continue to, but the notion that Raanta or Darling could replace CC seems absurd to me.

The fact that the goalie carousel worked in 2010 has led many to believe it's simple and easily repeated.

How quickly people forget the post Belfour years...and Eddie didn't win sh!t as a Hawk. Of course, I'm ignoring the team D issues of that time period for the sake of argument.
- ArlingtonRob

Really couldn't that describe every issue discussed here:

Q doesn't like young players
Stan can't make a trade
Stan hasn't done squat with the current roster
This is Dale's team
Shoud've kept ________________
Kruger couldn't score in a cathouse with a shoebox full of fifties (used to be Frolik but since he's not here anymore the torch gets passed to Freddy)

During the 2013 season, the Hawks team defense made Emery look really good.

Even during the 2010 season, if you recall, very rarely the goalie got tested and Huet would give up a bad goal or two every game. Not many chances against. At that time, hawks were giving up like 20 or less shots a game. Many goals were bad deflection off of Hawk dmen. That is how the Hawks carousel worked. Niemi played well post season, except for finals.
- Topshelf2010

As was pointed out earlier, the 2010 Hawks easily led the NHL in fewest shots allowed...

...not close to that this campaign.

To use your own logic...

...if Carey Price, or any goalie, were added to this current roster the way they're playing...

...they would still be losing.

Plenty of blame to go around at the moment...it's a team game.
- ArlingtonRob

Actually if you want to use my logic... we would be in a lot better shape with Carey Price. Price earns his pay check.

Sounds like the argument made in the past that the Hawks were winning DESPITE Q, and that a drunk chimpanzee could lead the Hawks to the cup.

Nonsense in my book...all of it.
- ArlingtonRob

CC was excellent last year in the playoffs.
Played excellent during the 2013 cup winning series.
CC played not so well against Phoenix, especially giving up those two weak ot goals. But still played well, but Hawks special teams and injuries messed that up.
CC played really well in the 2011 series against Vancouver, but still think he should have had that burrows shot. A great play by burrows. if you look back at the clip and if I remember correctly, he stopped a similar shot minutes earlier after a turnover (maybe Keith).

Really couldn't that describe every issue discussed here:

Q doesn't like young players
Stan can't make a trade
Stan hasn't done squat
Shoud've kept ________________
Kruger couldn't score in a cathouse with a shoebox full of fifties (used to be Frolik but since he's not here anymore the torch gets passed to Freddy)
- HawkintheD

True...but the tender situation seems to come up more often than most subjects...and it's extremely polarizing to say the least.

This subject has gone 'round and 'round...and will continue to, but the notion that Raanta or Darling could replace CC seems absurd to me.

The fact that the goalie carousel worked in 2010 has led many to believe it's simple and easily repeated.

How quickly people forget the post Belfour years...and Eddie didn't win sh!t as a Hawk. Of course, I'm ignoring the team D issues of that time period for the sake of argument.
- ArlingtonRob

There is absolutely no hockey reason to send Cro packing but there will always be the cap geniuses who ejaculate thinking what it would be like for the Hawks to be free of the contracts of Cro, Sharp, Bickell, Shaw and a few others.

This subject has gone 'round and 'round...and will continue to, but the notion that Raanta or Darling could replace CC seems absurd to me.

The fact that the goalie carousel worked in 2010 has led many to believe it's simple and easily repeated.

How quickly people forget the post Belfour years...and Eddie didn't win sh!t as a Hawk. Of course, I'm ignoring the team D issues of that time period for the sake of argument.
- ArlingtonRob

There is absolutely no hockey reason to send Cro packing but there will always be the cap geniuses who ejaculate thinking what it would be like for the Hawks to be free of the contracts of Cro, Sharp, Bickell, Shaw and a few others.

Really couldn't that describe every issue discussed here:

Q doesn't like young players
Stan can't make a trade
Stan hasn't done squat with the current roster
This is Dale's team
Shoud've kept ________________
Kruger couldn't score in a cathouse with a shoebox full of fifties (used to be Frolik but since he's not here anymore the torch gets passed to Freddy)
- HawkintheD

Pretty good wrap up

True...but the tender situation seems to come up more often than most subjects...and it's extremely polarizing to say the least.
- ArlingtonRob

For sure.

Banner day for you Rob. I AGREE.

He's hardly the problem...also elite!

Actually if you want to use my logic... we would be in a lot better shape with Carey Price. Price earns his pay check.
- The_Prophet

Yeah...and his teammates just stand around, watching is awe.

Repeat...hockey is a team game.

This years Hawks, especially of late, are yielding wayyyy to many quality chances in prime areas. Wayyy to many shots against. Too many TO's and giveaways. Losing the possession game. Losing defensive zone draws.

Team D has been dreadful.

And on top of that...scoring is down.

Not a good combination.

But a goalie change will fix it all.

Penguins and Ducks will be buyers at the deadline.......if Stan cant come up with anything then hes an A$$

His job to figure it out. Now that Johnny O"Screwya is out Ill bet hes off the table completely.

Actually if you want to use my logic... we would be in a lot better shape with Carey Price. Price earns his pay check.
- The_Prophet

"earns his paycheck.." let's look at some numbers..

Regular Season:
Price: 212-148-47 - .919SV% - 2.45GAA
CC: 138-73-33 - .915SV% - 2.36GAA

PLAYOFFS:
Price: 17-21-4 - .909SV%- 2.73 GAA
CC: 32-23-3 - .920SV% - 2.21 GAA

Yeah...and his teammates just stand around, watching is awe.

Repeat...hockey is a team game.

This years Hawks, especially of late, are yielding wayyyy to many quality chances in prime areas. Wayyy to many shots against. Too many TO's and giveaways. Losing the possession game. Losing defensive zone draws.

Team D has been dreadful.

And on top of that...scoring is down.

Not a good combination.

But a goalie change will fix it all.
- ArlingtonRob

Yep...all your going to do to Darling is get him shell shocked.

For those of you who want some Hawks chatter tonight....I will be on with the boys from Cheer the Anthem tonight at 7:15 CST.

Recording Episode 24 of Cheer the Podcast tonight with guest Al Cimaglia, the Blackhawks' correspondent for the NHL Radio Network. Send your questions to cheerthepodcast (at) gmail.com.
- Al

Careful AL.
One of those guys is sneaky.

Really couldn't that describe every issue discussed here:

Q doesn't like young players
Stan can't make a trade
Stan hasn't done squat with the current roster
This is Dale's team
Shoud've kept ________________
Kruger couldn't score in a cathouse with a shoebox full of fifties (used to be Frolik but since he's not here anymore the torch gets passed to Freddy)
- HawkintheD

If Q had a choice for a slow physical veteran dman that plays solid d most of the time but will be possibly be a liability come playoff time or a younger dman with potential but needs seasoning during the season. Who do you think Q will pick now? Who do you think Q will pick come playoff time? It would be the veteran dman in both situations. We would never know about the younger dman, which is unfortunate.

if you watched last year, Leddy should have been playing more crunch time minutes. Maybe he would have made a better play on that crap shot by Martinez.
But that is also Q's game, playing a solid defensive game with a good transition game and get back on defense. It is a good strategy, but does leave you open to some bad bounce goals or bad ref calls.

That Unnamed Source guy is also a very good insightful poster despite what your thoughts of him are.
- paulr

If Q had a choice for a slow physical veteran dman that plays solid d most of the time but will be possibly be a liability come playoff time or a younger dman with potential but needs seasoning during the season. Who do you think Q will pick now? Who do you think Q will pick come playoff time? It would be the veteran dman in both situations. We would never know about the younger dman, which is unfortunate.

if you watched last year, Leddy should have been playing more crunch time minutes. Maybe he would have made a better play on that crap shot by Martinez.
But that is also Q's game, playing a solid defensive game with a good transition game and get back on defense. It is a good strategy, but does leave you open to some bad bounce goals or bad ref calls.
- Topshelf2010

Leddy is getting top4 minutes in NY and he still sucks in his own end.. I doubt the result would have changed.

"earns his paycheck.." let's look at some numbers..

Regular Season:
Price: 212-148-47 - .919SV% - 2.45GAA
CC: 138-73-33 - .915SV% - 2.36GAA

PLAYOFFS:
Price: 17-21-4 - .909SV%- 2.73 GAA
CC: 32-23-3 - .920SV% - 2.21 GAA
- CBHawks88

Why don't you check current goalie stats? Price is at the top of them. Tell me where crow is...

For sure.

Banner day for you Rob. I AGREE.

He's hardly the problem...also elite!
- HawkintheD

ehhhh...that may be a stretch, but certainly solid enough to win. Hasn't it also been repeated endlessly, here and elsewhere, that the Hawks...

...do not require world class goaltending...

...when playing at their best. Meaning solid possession game, allowing few shots, blocking shots, keeping teams to the outside and limiting quality chances?

That description is the opposite of what we've been seeing of late.

If Q had a choice for a slow physical veteran dman that plays solid d most of the time but will be possibly be a liability come playoff time or a younger dman with potential but needs seasoning during the season. Who do you think Q will pick now? Who do you think Q will pick come playoff time? It would be the veteran dman in both situations. We would never know about the younger dman, which is unfortunate.

if you watched last year, Leddy should have been playing more crunch time minutes. Maybe he would have made a better play on that crap shot by Martinez.
But that is also Q's game, playing a solid defensive game with a good transition game and get back on defense. It is a good strategy, but does leave you open to some bad bounce goals or bad ref calls.
- Topshelf2010

You say Leddy should have been played, Quenneville didn't. Wonder who I would think is right?

Why don't you check current goalie stats? Price is at the top of them. Tell me where crow is...
- The_Prophet

...which brings us back to team defense.

Besides, who's name is on the cup? I don't see Carey Price...at least not yet.

- Dannyboy

I am guessing that is your definition of insightful?