What will they ever do when he's gone next year?
- madmike71

Enjoy fight free practices ?

god its good to see hornqvist going to the front of the net. both with crosby and on the PP.

panthers still dominated large stretches of play, but they are a pretty good team. overall, i dont think the game was nearly as dominating as the final score suggests, but there were also a lot of good things to take from the game.

for as much as i like perron with crosby, if he gets time with malkin, i dont think its an awful thing. horns being with crosby just needs to happen consistently.

fleury was great again as well. he really is having a very nice season.

and i know its unfounded, but id be lying if i said i wasnt sitting here weighing the pros and cons of a staal reunion over the past hour.

i will say this though. it is somewhat unfair to compare the cap hits of sutter/scuderi and say that because that is a poor use of 6 mil, that it makes staal's 6 mil tag any less egregious. they arent necessarily mutually exclusive ideas. also, more examination (i understand it is hard to speculate with little to go on) is required as to what it would take to actually get him in a trade.

while he is overpaid, i cant imagine carolina just wants to jettison him out purely for financial purposes, and will be content just to purge themselves of him.

god its good to see hornqvist going to the front of the net. both with crosby and on the PP.

panthers still dominated large stretches of play, but they are a pretty good team. overall, i dont think the game was nearly as dominating as the final score suggests, but there were also a lot of good things to take from the game.

for as much as i like perron with crosby, if he gets time with malkin, i dont think its an awful thing. horns being with crosby just needs to happen consistently.

fleury was great again as well. he really is having a very nice season.

and i know its unfounded, but id be lying if i said i wasnt sitting here weighing the pros and cons of a staal reunion over the past hour.

i will say this though. it is somewhat unfair to compare the cap hits of sutter/scuderi and say that because that is a poor use of 6 mil, that it makes staal's 6 mil tag any less egregious. they arent necessarily mutually exclusive ideas. also, more examination (i understand it is hard to speculate with little to go on) is required as to what it would take to actually get him in a trade.

while he is overpaid, i cant imagine carolina just wants to jettison him out purely for financial purposes, and will be content just to purge themselves of him.
- stayinthefnnet

I agree. But I think the real question for Carolina would be....does it make sense to shed a big contract and get multiple young pieces as part of a full rebuild. It's not just to shed the contract...

I don't know that answer but in theory thats what rebuild teams do...sell off high priced assets for a bunch of good prospects/picks/young players..

Meh... No shots on goal. I can honestly say Sill was skating around with more authority. I'm a fan of BB, but these last couple of games he's been invisible. It would not surprise me in the least if he's scratched next game.

I don't want to see him traded but that wouldn't surprise me either.

Looks like GlenX has asked for a trade....anyone interested?
- madmike71

Unfortunately, I agree. I love BB, but Ive noticed Sutter more than him, and that says everything you need to know.

I agree. But I think the real question for Carolina would be....does it make sense to shed a big contract and get multiple young pieces as part of a full rebuild. It's not just to shed the contract...

I don't know that answer but in theory thats what rebuild teams do...sell off high priced assets for a bunch of good prospects/picks/young players..
- YouMeAndDupuis9

true. i dont pretend to know what carolina thinks they are going to do themselves. full fledged rebuild, retool? who knows.

just in following this hypothetical out, i dont know how much of a hit they are willing to take on overall value considering what they sent out to bring him into the fold.

Sutter, who is essentially more expensive and likely worse of an asset now than he was when they originally parted with him, as the main piece. i would hope like hell that pouliot isnt one of the pieces involved, so whatever part goes in his stead is likely a downgrade as well.

not trying to be a negative nancy, and i do enjoy hypos as much as the next guy, but i do try to objectively step back and connect the dots. i dont know if we have the goods to part with, that would realistically make it work.

if they wanted pouliot back the other way, are you still interested?

true. i dont pretend to know what carolina thinks they are going to do themselves. full fledged rebuild, retool? who knows.

just in following this hypothetical out, i dont know how much of a hit they are willing to take on overall value considering what they sent out to bring him into the fold.

Sutter, who is essentially more expensive and likely worse of an asset now than he was when they originally parted with him, as the main piece. i would hope like hell that pouliot isnt one of the pieces involved, so whatever part goes in his stead is likely a downgrade as well.

not trying to be a negative nancy, and i do enjoy hypos as much as the next guy, but i do try to objectively step back and connect the dots. i dont know if we have the goods to part with, that would realistically make it work.

if they wanted pouliot back the other way, are you still interested?
- stayinthefnnet

I think Staal has depreciated as an asset in Carolina. Not because he's been a worse hockey player, but because he's been screwed by his situation. I don't think Sutter would be the centerpiece from Carolina's stand point. I think Harrington and the pick would be what they'd be more interested in.

Tough call on Pouliot. I think this organization needs a strong 3C more than it needs another stud D man (we already have one and the rest of our young core ain't too shabby), but with Pouliot's upside I don't think we can ship him out like that for fear of selling low. I'd want Carolina to retain some serious salary if Pouliot's going the other way and I'd be hesitant to give them a high draft pick.

I think Staal has depreciated as an asset in Carolina. Not because he's been a worse hockey player, but because he's been screwed by his situation. I don't think Sutter would be the centerpiece from Carolina's stand point. I think Harrington and the pick would be what they'd be more interested in.

Tough call on Pouliot. I think this organization needs a strong 3C more than it needs another stud D man (we already have one and the rest of our young core ain't too shabby), but with Pouliot's upside I don't think we can ship him out like that for fear of selling low. I'd want Carolina to retain some serious salary if Pouliot's going the other way and I'd be hesitant to give them a high draft pick.
- Victoro311

i dont think i would be willing to include pouliot.

for me to consider jumping through the hoops that would need to take place in order to accommodate staals big salary number, the player value going out cant be in that ballpark.

i dont think i would be willing to include pouliot.

for me to consider jumping through the hoops that would need to take place in order to accommodate staals big salary number, the player value going out cant be in that ballpark.
- stayinthefnnet

I dunno though. Say Carolina says they're willing to retain 2-2.5 mil of Staal's salary if we gave them Pouliot instead of Harrington. At that point, three years ago we basically acquired Dumoulin for the ability to resign Staal long term at 3.5-4 mil a year which I am ok with.

I dunno though. Say Carolina says they're willing to retain 2-2.5 mil of Staal's salary if we gave them Pouliot instead of Harrington. At that point, three years ago we basically acquired Dumoulin for the ability to resign Staal long term at 3.5-4 mil a year which I am ok with.
- Victoro311

hmm. that is an awful a lot of money for carolina to be willing to retain for 7 more longgg years.

i cant see a team realistically doing that.

but, if they would, it would definitely make me reevaluate my stance.

hmm. that is an awful a lot of money for carolina to be willing to retain for 7 more longgg years.

i cant see a team realistically doing that.

but, if they would, it would definitely make me reevaluate my stance.
- stayinthefnnet

Its the only way I trade Pouliot. If salary is not retained Pouliot isn't going.

Its the only way I trade Pouliot. If salary is not retained Pouliot isn't going.
- Victoro311

agreed.

the pens simply cant afford to pay through the nose value for staal from an asset standpoint, when in all reality, incorporating him back into the roster is going to result in player sacrifices due to cap casualty in other areas.

Just got back from miami... anyone want to fill me in on game in a quick recap.. been in airports all night

true. i dont pretend to know what carolina thinks they are going to do themselves. full fledged rebuild, retool? who knows.

just in following this hypothetical out, i dont know how much of a hit they are willing to take on overall value considering what they sent out to bring him into the fold.

Sutter, who is essentially more expensive and likely worse of an asset now than he was when they originally parted with him, as the main piece. i would hope like hell that pouliot isnt one of the pieces involved, so whatever part goes in his stead is likely a downgrade as well.

not trying to be a negative nancy, and i do enjoy hypos as much as the next guy, but i do try to objectively step back and connect the dots. i dont know if we have the goods to part with, that would realistically make it work.

if they wanted pouliot back the other way, are you still interested?
- stayinthefnnet

Depends on the rest of the deal...we will need some cheap young defenseman for sure. I'd rather trade Kapanen than Pouliot tbh .... but, overall I would be okay parting with a top prospect

Just got back from miami... anyone want to fill me in on game in a quick recap.. been in airports all night
- nh4442

we won

It's a moot point because it won't happen. But as a Canes fan that wasn't thrilled with the trade when it happened, mainly because there was this guy named Filip Forsberg that I wanted the Canes to draft. But as a Canes Fan I know their roster well enough to know it would take a massive overpayment for it to even be considered. Especially moving Eric to the wing and the Canes inability to draw major free agents. Canes traded a promising 3rd line center(Sutter) a top 10 draft pick(became Pouliet, could've been Forsberg), and at the time arguably their top defensive prospect. You're looking at trading more than that. Sure he doesn't put up incredible numbers, but he passes the eye test, really well.

It's a moot point because it won't happen. But as a Canes fan that wasn't thrilled with the trade when it happened, mainly because there was this guy named Filip Forsberg that I wanted the Canes to draft. But as a Canes Fan I know their roster well enough to know it would take a massive overpayment for it to even be considered. Especially moving Eric to the wing and the Canes inability to draw major free agents. Canes traded a promising 3rd line center(Sutter) a top 10 draft pick(became Pouliet, could've been Forsberg), and at the time arguably their top defensive prospect. You're looking at trading more than that. Sure he doesn't put up incredible numbers, but he passes the eye test, really well.
- Wolfpack5

Well as a Canes fan, what is a reasonable deal to you? Even though its unlikely...just curious...

Sorry I'm late, I've been moving for the last 2 days. I'm on the fence with staall coming back. It all depends who goes the other way. i think bennett would be good with a guy like staal though. Sutter, dumoulin, 2016 1st.

It's a moot point because it won't happen. But as a Canes fan that wasn't thrilled with the trade when it happened, mainly because there was this guy named Filip Forsberg that I wanted the Canes to draft. But as a Canes Fan I know their roster well enough to know it would take a massive overpayment for it to even be considered. Especially moving Eric to the wing and the Canes inability to draw major free agents. Canes traded a promising 3rd line center(Sutter) a top 10 draft pick(became Pouliet, could've been Forsberg), and at the time arguably their top defensive prospect. You're looking at trading more than that. Sure he doesn't put up incredible numbers, but he passes the eye test, really well.
- Wolfpack5

When the Pens made the deal I thought he was going to be the pick from Carolina instead of Pouliot.

When the Pens made the deal I thought he was going to be the pick from Carolina instead of Pouliot.
- acdc1206

i like pouliot, but man imagine if they had chosen him like many thought.

forsberg and maatta could be a franchise altering draft for a good number of years.

The hard on for Jordan Staal continues I see.

I agree, their defense is too talented and will just get better and better with experience and acclimation. Goaltending is not a problem now and the way Matt Murray is tearing it up in WBS and with Jarry in the pipeline too the future at that position is pretty bright too. Last year the real reason the Rangers won that series is because the Penguins couldn't match the emotion that the Rangers players had from Stlouis' mothers death, had she not died I have no doubt the Rangers would have lost that series in 6 games because they were dead in the water up to that point.
- Dcoms

Up to that point the Rags schedule was insane - they were out on their feet with the games they played. They rested came out & the rest is history. We didn't put them away when we could/should have.

The Penguins don't look nearly as good as with Adams in the lineup...
- acdc1206

What selection of grapes was he eating in the press box?

I'm having trouble understanding the drift of the blog & comments in regards to Staal.

The NHL is evolving into 4 scoring lines that is why Everyman & his dog is hating Sutter due to his soft, non scoring play.

What is Staal playing in Carolina at the moment 1C 2C? 6m 1 year left? How many minutes?

Everyone is reminiscing about how great Staal was as a shutdown 3rd line C back in the day, is that what he is playing now? How much has the game changed since he was a Pen? Are there any 3rd line shutdown lines around now & who uses them?

I remember at the start of the season commenting on the cost of a 3C, & with the cap increase & way the game is evolving that paying a high price might be the norm - how high I think the debate was not exceeding 4M.

I also remember JR saying he is building for the future as well as trying to be in the win now. He said he fielded many (laughing) calls on his young D ranks. So I would think that the young D are probably off limits unless it's for a deal that the godfather proposes.

So a C that is not playing 3C now, is for 6m for 1 more year & will cost at a minimum at least 1 of the young D & probably a 1st round pick (just what's on here)? Would a GM deal his 1st round pick 2 years in a row when there is a serious lack of F depth?

Seems to be more questions than answers unlike the Perron deal. Call me crazy but I would pass.

Whats handicapping the Pens is allocating 9 million to Martin and Ehrhoff (and of course the 3.5 to Scuderi) when they dangle perfectly capable, "highly coveted prospects" around the league but leave them in the minors.

Bring up Dumolin and Harrington, keep Pouliot up (who looks great), and lets see what they got. Put that 9 million into top 6 wingers. And if you could get ride of Sutter and Scuderi thats another 7 million to invest in the wings, Staal or another 3rd line centre, a solid affordable D... whatever.

Bring up Zakoff and theres another .5 to goof off with.

This is simplistic, I know. But there are ways to make this team a little more top heavy without leaving gigantic wholes on the backend. And keep guys in the organization.

Whats handicapping the Pens is allocating 9 million to Martin and Ehrhoff (and of course the 3.5 to Scuderi) when they dangle perfectly capable, "highly coveted prospects" around the league but leave them in the minors.

Bring up Dumolin and Harrington, keep Pouliot up (who looks great), and lets see what they got. Put that 9 million into top 6 wingers. And if you could get ride of Sutter and Scuderi thats another 7 million to invest in the wings, Staal or another 3rd line centre, a solid affordable D... whatever.

Bring up Zakoff and theres another .5 to goof off with.

This is simplistic, I know. But there are ways to make this team a little more top heavy without leaving gigantic wholes on the backend. And keep guys in the organization.
- brienstel

You must not have watched this year... Dumoulin was the first up, he looked capable. Harrington looked 2 years away from being NHL ready.