I don't think Philly would give you Couturier for Pouliot let alone the scrub package you put together.
- rangerdanger94

Really, even if we took Schenn off the books? Sutter is decent, Bennett is young and may flourish on a new team, and Demoulin is a highly thought of prospect to a team that really needs good D. At the end of the day, while Couturier is young, he's not an offensive dynamo...he's a very good 3rd line C.

What are you talking about? You all seem to think Jordan Staal could be had for decent player and a trash contract. I'm sure a rebuilding team would love to do that, especially one within you own division. They wouldn't want assents like prospects or draft picks to help their rebuild. No not at all. Use the brain god gave you.
- tomburton99

Have some grace when your called out on using false info to debate. Dont think I would have caught you on it if I wasnt using my brain... goddess given or not

Staal would be awesome, but I think there are other shut down guys who would be less costly and who just may work out...Eller and Couturier immediately pop to mind. Eller the cheaper option, maybe something like Couturier + L Schenn for Sutter + Bennett?
- mventres

If I hear 1 mo mother effervescent say something bout trading Bennet my head is gonna explode. he is exactly what we need right now, cheap quality players

dropping the mike and walking off. I love when visitors walk in and shoot blanks... I've been there myself and I dont pity you. I look forward to debating you again when you have some ammo. Chris
- ChrisMS

So do you think you guys will stay in that 1st wildcard spot or are you gonna drop to the 2nd one?

I don't think Philly would give you Couturier for Pouliot let alone the scrub package you put together.
- rangerdanger94

Pouliot is going to be a star. Couturier won't be more than an average 3c.

Its one of the worst contracts in the NHL today. People are total fools if they think its a smart idea to reacquire a third line center who is bound to make $6 million for the next seven years when 35% of your cap space is tied up with three players. Carolina wouldn't have any interest in our overpriced garbage as a return.

Posters wonder why last year we didn't have the money to start the season with a good third line. Because cap concerns wouldn't allow us to do so. And now, the answer is bringing back a third line center making a ridiculous amount of money that hasn't had a season over 51 points thus far.

Rutherford hasn't made a bad move yet as GM. He would be the biggest buffoon to reacquire Staal and that contract. Our third line would be Staal, Scott Wilson and Jayson Megna next year because we wouldn't have any cap room.

That would be smart folks.
- Oneonta Penguin

Go back and look at the last pages of the previous blog to see how easily he could fit. We were talking about this for a good two hours or so before this blog went up. No it doesn't require playing AHLers on the third line with Staal and to all the idiots in our thread no one is saying Sutter and Scuderi for Staal, you could either try to trade him for a low pick and include it for Staal or just buy him out.

If I hear 1 mo mother effervescent say something bout trading Bennet my head is gonna explode. he is exactly what we need right now, cheap quality players
- pensfan024

That's where you're wrong. He's cheap, the quality part is debatable. He can't play bottom 6 minutes, too weak. Its yet to be determined if he's top6. Most likely, he's not.

Really, even if we took Schenn off the books? Sutter is decent, Bennett is young and may flourish on a new team, and Demoulin is a highly thought of prospect to a team that really needs good D. At the end of the day, while Couturier is young, he's not an offensive dynamo...he's a very good 3rd line C.
- mventres

Couturier is their best young player. They're a team trying to get younger and get rid of all their old scrubs like Streit, Amac, VLC, Umberger, etc.

Coots is the exact type of core player they want to keep. They need young, quality defensemen though, so Pouliot might be able to get something done.

Pouliot is going to be a star. Couturier won't be more than an average 3c.
- madmike71

You're probably right, but the Flyers are so high on that kid.

The only trade scenario I would take for Staal is Scuds+Sutter. I do think he's overrated and over paid for a 3C. Anything else to acquire him isn't worth it.

What happens if we have to kill a powerplay with out adams?



We r doomed
- pensfan024

you can have talbot to replace him

Pouliot is going to be a star. Couturier won't be more than an average 3c.
- madmike71

Couturier's crowning career achievement will be that he can get under Geno's skin, much the same way that the only notable thing Dubinski will be remembered for is the one time he fought Sidney Crosby.

You're probably right, but the Flyers are so high on that kid.
- rangerdanger94

Decent defensive player, but I don't see it. Slightly below average hands, not a great skater. I'd take him over Sutter, but that's not saying much.

Couturier is their best young player. They're a team trying to get younger and get rid of all their old scrubs like Streit, Amac, VLC, Umberger, etc.

Coots is the exact type of core player they want to keep. They need young, quality defensemen though, so Pouliot might be able to get something done.
- rangerdanger94

Please don't throw Streit in with that bunch. He has been very good for us. They didnt name him an alternate Captain for nothing.

Re:Coots. You have to look how he's been utilized. He takes the majority of D zone starts and hasnt had the best guys to work with as line mates. Read and him were clicking but Read has been a dumpster fire all year and Simmonds is just not the best guy when it comes to 5 on 5 and puck possession. I would like to see Coots stick with Simmonds but also get a legit skill LW on that line.

In the meantime Coots does pretty well for a kid his age, given the guys he's assigned to cover, ie the oppositions best forwards.

Is that defense supposed to be good?

I think you're completely underrating the type of impact replacing 2 experienced veterans that are great defensemen that eat up 20+ minutes a night with a bunch of kids will have.
- rangerdanger94

Letang is a Norris trophy candidate
Maatta and despres are solid top 4dmen
Martin and erhoff are top 4 dmen
Poulliot is solid... Will be top 4 next season
Scuds is not great... Gets a lot of hate here because of his contract ... Not because he sucks... He s a solid 5-6 dman
Bortozzo is also not great ... But a solid 5-7 dman
Harrington needs to mature a bit ... But projects as a solid second to third pair dman
Dumollin is an NHL ready 4-6 dman stuck behind the depth ... Yes their system at present and in the future had plenty of depth on defense ... Forward after the top 6 ... Not so much

I think the only way you consider bringing Staal back is if the GM is going to trade Malkin.

Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Fleury and Staal would take up nearly 54% of next years salary cap.

If there was no cap then it would be a different story

This Staal talk needs to stop. Its already been verified that he isnt getting dealt: @TSNAaronWard: Amid Jordan Staal trade rumors, I am told he has been reassured today, by the team, that this speculation is unfounded. #TSN

Hey look at that, PH back with 87 and he's got 2g in 2 games!

Lack of depth on both defense and offense. Your offense, I think you'd agree with me, has been thin for a few years towards the bottom. You can blame injuries or whatever, but they haven't been producing. And shipping draft picks and prospects out for a guy like Perron or in a deal for Jordan Staal is part of the problem because those draft picks end up being cheap contracts that can step in for injured players or provide more value than their cap hit is.

As for defense, I don't think Letang, Maatta, Despres, Pouliot, Bortuzzo, Scuderi is a deep defense exactly assuming you let Martin and Erhoff walk. One injury to Letang or Maatta and it's even worse.
- rangerdanger94

Two things.

I think the trade for Perron was a very good one. He is producing and will continue to do so while being a very good fit for the Penguins. The question will be what happens when Perron goes to UFA.

I understand your depth issue on D, but the names you mentioned remind me of how the Rangers looked when all of their D were young and upcoming. I think the Penguins D might even have more potential based on the player Maatta looks to be. You can always sign cheap depth guys if needed, such as a 7th D or 8th D who can play bottom 6 sheltered minutes, virtually every season.

This Staal talk needs to stop. Its already been verified that he isnt getting dealt: @TSNAaronWard: Amid Jordan Staal trade rumors, I am told he has been reassured today, by the team, that this speculation is unfounded. #TSN
- joescullz

Can you post that again perhaps underline and highlight it. The first few times wasn't enough.

Just bring back all former Penguins. The fascination this fanbase has with that is amazing. $6 million for a 3C? No freaking way.

People laughed when he got that deal. He's done nothing in Carolina.
- acdc1206

Was thinking the same thing.... Might as well trade for Jokinen too.

This Staal talk needs to stop. Its already been verified that he isnt getting dealt: @TSNAaronWard: Amid Jordan Staal trade rumors, I am told he has been reassured today, by the team, that this speculation is unfounded. #TSN
- joescullz

What else were they going to say? Francis is probably still debating what to do with that team, and a lot of it revolves on whether Eric Staal is going to stay or if he privately even wants to keep him. Anyways if they were talking about such a deal and Carolina wanted to wait till off season then it makes sense that someone on our end leaked this to see what it would take to get him this season.

Two things.

I think the trade for Perron was a very good one. He is producing and will continue to do so while being a very good fit for the Penguins. The question will be what happens when Perron goes to UFA.

I understand your depth issue on D, but the names you mentioned remind me of how the Rangers looked when all of their D were young and upcoming. I think the Penguins D might even have more potential based on the player Maatta looks to be. You can always sign cheap depth guys if needed, such as a 7th D or 8th D who can play bottom 6 sheltered minutes, virtually every season.
- kingcong39

They're going to lock up Perron this summer.....guaranteed.

Staal would be awesome, but I think there are other shut down guys who would be less costly and who just may work out...Eller and Couturier immediately pop to mind. Eller the cheaper option, maybe something like Couturier + L Schenn for Sutter + Bennett?
- mventres

L. Schenn has been a healthy scratch on a non playoff team. They can keep him

Can you post that again perhaps underline and highlight it. The first few times wasn't enough.
- Reverend Killtaker

Lol. Was waiting for someone to catch that.

Seriously though, neither Staal is getting traded. Canes have a legitimate shot to get McDavid. They certainly aren't going to ship out the Staal brothers and build around Semin & Skinner.