Just bring back all former Penguins. The fascination this fanbase has with that is amazing. $6 million for a 3C? No freaking way.

People laughed when he got that deal. He's done nothing in Carolina.
- acdc1206

Carolina has done nothing in carolina.... Recently. Look at Ryan's graphs!!!!!!!!!

Things to consider:

1. Doesn't Staal have a NMC, why would he want to be a 3C in the prime of his career?
2. Would CAR really want Sutter as part of the package? Probably not. They are rebuilding and Sutter does not offer that at all.
3. Still need to replace the entire 4th line next year and whatever other players you send the other way to CAR. Also figure out the D moving forward (Martin, Hoff).
4. What if Dupes comes back? Thats another $3.5 on the books
5. Resign Comeau?
6. Can DP and Dumo handle full time duty? Debatable.

All these considered, paying $6mil for a 3C doesn't seem like a smart move.
- sammy87

my try at your points.

1) he can still be used more than the average 3C. And if Malkin wants to continue having a 43% faceoff percentage, then a Staal-Malkin line is worth looking at with Staal at center. At least every once in a while.

2) I'd imagine the conversation would go along the lines of "hey. you should have cap room next year. if you take sutter off our hands, we'll give you an extra draft pick."

3) 4th liners can be found pretty easily. Plus... with 3 such great Centers, you'd have to play the 4th line sparingly anyway.

only 1 of Martin/Hoff/other FA D man would probably be signed anyway.

4) Salary dump Kunitz somehow. Bennett to top 6.

5) Hard to tell what Comeau's price tag would be. if it's too high, find the next comeau.

6) totally legit question. but this is an issue whether Staal is around or not.

Rob Rossi said last week the Rangers were talking to Carolina bout Jordan Staal to. To bad there is a salary cap and stuff and people don't need 2 seconds of thought before typing something.
- tomburton99

Did you actually read the article? We're paying Sutter and Scuderi $6.6 mil. A GM with half a brain will dump both of them this offseason, and Staal is only $6 mil. Pens would save money.

That's 2 top 4 defenders coming off the books. You'll have to spend money to replace them.
- rangerdanger94

We have in house options. That's assuming Maatta is healthy but with full offseason recovery he should be a go.

Despres maatta pouliot letang. Done. (Cheapish fa 5th guy)
- ChrisMS

Lack of depth will kill you again. Your 3rd pairing will suck and once injuries happen to any of the guys you listed, you're royally screwed.

I don't get it...you guys make the same mistake every year. Lack of depth kills you guys. And yet you keep trying to take on large contracts to make to thin your team away on the lower lines more and more.

It just amazes me...a person mentions something, a rumor is generated, and then people just run with it. No evidence required. Amazing.
- errey12

Its the graphs man. Those (frank)ing awesome graphs that everyone loves.

my try at your points.

1) he can still be used more than the average 3C. And if Malkin wants to continue having a 43% faceoff percentage, then a Staal-Malkin line is worth looking at with Staal at center. At least every once in a while.

2) I'd imagine the conversation would go along the lines of "hey. you should have cap room next year. if you take sutter off our hands, we'll give you an extra draft pick."

3) 4th liners can be found pretty easily. Plus... with 3 such great Centers, you'd have to play the 4th line sparingly anyway.

only 1 of Martin/Hoff/other FA D man would probably be signed anyway.

4) Salary dump Kunitz somehow. Bennett to top 6.

5) Hard to tell what Comeau's price tag would be. if it's too high, find the next comeau.

6) totally legit question. but this is an issue whether Staal is around or not.
- poopmouth

Number 5 is interesting. Finding 3 to 4 liners with potential should be relatively easy for the pens (I.e. duprr comaeu etc) with the pitch. Play for cheap for a year and jack up your value

Lack of depth will kill you again. Your 3rd pairing will suck and once injuries happen to any of the guys you listed, you're royally screwed.

I don't get it...you guys make the same mistake every year. Lack of depth kills you guys. And yet you keep trying to take on large contracts to make to thin your team away on the lower lines more and more.
- rangerdanger94

Lack of depth? On d?!?! Wtf you talking about! Our d depth makes you want to cry! (Your fw depth makes me want to).

I love Staal. I like the idea of bringing back Staal, despite concerns about his contract.

But I trust the Trib's reporting on his about as much as I trust the National Enquirer.

Molinari asked GMJR a question about Staal. He had nice things to say.

Then all of the sudden, the Trib is out with their own Staal story citing anonymous sources and engaging in massive amounts of word parsing and journalistic sleight of hand.

Lack of depth? On d?!?! Wtf you talking about! Our d depth makes you want to cry! (Your fw depth makes me want to).
- ChrisMS

Lack of depth on both defense and offense. Your offense, I think you'd agree with me, has been thin for a few years towards the bottom. You can blame injuries or whatever, but they haven't been producing. And shipping draft picks and prospects out for a guy like Perron or in a deal for Jordan Staal is part of the problem because those draft picks end up being cheap contracts that can step in for injured players or provide more value than their cap hit is.

As for defense, I don't think Letang, Maatta, Despres, Pouliot, Bortuzzo, Scuderi is a deep defense exactly assuming you let Martin and Erhoff walk. One injury to Letang or Maatta and it's even worse.

Did you actually read the article? We're paying Sutter and Scuderi $6.6 mil. A GM with half a brain will dump both of them this offseason, and Staal is only $6 mil. Pens would save money.
- neilsonnn18

Add in a good prospect and a draft pick and Carolina might take that deal.

Hey cuz,


U going to post that trade again....????

Did you actually read the article? We're paying Sutter and Scuderi $6.6 mil. A GM with half a brain will dump both of them this offseason, and Staal is only $6 mil. Pens would save money.
- neilsonnn18

I don't think it will be that simple to dump Sutter and Scuderi. No team will be looking to you any favors for one. Additionally, if you look at cap dumps from the past couple years, you'll see the closest thing to a cap dump trade is a bad contract for a bad contract (Hartnell for Umberger, Purcell for Gagner).

Just bring back all former Penguins. The fascination this fanbase has with that is amazing. $6 million for a 3C? No freaking way.

People laughed when he got that deal. He's done nothing in Carolina.
- acdc1206

Bingo.

Staal is insanely over rated by RW and the Crosby era bandwagon fans.

CRAIG ADAMS IS SCRATCHED?

Just bring back all former Penguins. The fascination this fanbase has with that is amazing. $6 million for a 3C? No freaking way.

People laughed when he got that deal. He's done nothing in Carolina.
- acdc1206

he doesn't have to be used as little as a normal 3C. Find ways to get him extra ice time.

more time to 3rd line, some shifts of him with Malkin on his wing, etc.

it's not as simple as labeling him as the 3C. if he can be used enough, it really doesn't matter that he would just happen to be the 3rd best center on the team.

he doesn't have to be used as little as a normal 3C. Find ways to get him extra ice time.

more time to 3rd line, some shifts of him with Malkin on his wing, etc.

it's not as simple as labeling him as the 3C. if he can be used enough, it really doesn't matter that he would just happen to be the 3rd best center on the team.
- poopmouth

I think you'd have to give more time to the 3rd line considering you won't have a 4th line

That contract is terrible. I thought the Pens needed to find ways gain some cap room.
- hereticpride

Its one of the worst contracts in the NHL today. People are total fools if they think its a smart idea to reacquire a third line center who is bound to make $6 million for the next seven years when 35% of your cap space is tied up with three players. Carolina wouldn't have any interest in our overpriced garbage as a return.

Posters wonder why last year we didn't have the money to start the season with a good third line. Because cap concerns wouldn't allow us to do so. And now, the answer is bringing back a third line center making a ridiculous amount of money that hasn't had a season over 51 points thus far.

Rutherford hasn't made a bad move yet as GM. He would be the biggest buffoon to reacquire Staal and that contract. Our third line would be Staal, Scott Wilson and Jayson Megna next year because we wouldn't have any cap room.

That would be smart folks.

I don't think it will be that simple to dump Sutter and Scuderi. No team will be looking to you any favors for one. Additionally, if you look at cap dumps from the past couple years, you'll see the closest thing to a cap dump trade is a bad contract for a bad contract (Hartnell for Umberger, Purcell for Gagner).
- rangerdanger94

A concept people can't seem to grasp. When there is a bad contract, they aren't giving up a fifth round pick. They are giving up an equally bad contract.

Lack of depth on both defense and offense. Your offense, I think you'd agree with me, has been thin for a few years towards the bottom. You can blame injuries or whatever, but they haven't been producing. And shipping draft picks and prospects out for a guy like Perron or in a deal for Jordan Staal is part of the problem because those draft picks end up being cheap contracts that can step in for injured players or provide more value than their cap hit is.

As for defense, I don't think Letang, Maatta, Despres, Pouliot, Bortuzzo, Scuderi is a deep defense exactly assuming you let Martin and Erhoff walk. One injury to Letang or Maatta and it's even worse.
- rangerdanger94

looking at the move of a 1st for perron as bad is pure jealousy. sorry you didnt do... NOT. (it waynes world!) your argument about the "cheap contracts" was completely contradicted with you second paragraph. cheap contracts that can step in... they may need a fa d... like I said.. but a 4-5 guy who isnt exorbitantly expensive would do.

I don't think it will be that simple to dump Sutter and Scuderi. No team will be looking to you any favors for one. Additionally, if you look at cap dumps from the past couple years, you'll see the closest thing to a cap dump trade is a bad contract for a bad contract (Hartnell for Umberger, Purcell for Gagner).
- rangerdanger94

It's real easy.....it's called a buyout

I think you'd have to give more time to the 3rd line considering you won't have a 4th line
- rangerdanger94

i don't see why the 4th line would have to be any worse than it is this year.

But even if it does become worse than this year, i don't see why not playing your worst players very much is necessarily a bad thing.

A concept people can't seem to grasp. When there is a bad contract, they aren't giving up a fifth round pick. They are giving up an equally bad contract.
- Oneonta Penguin

So to get Joradan Staal the Canes gave up a 1st, Sutter, and like 2 prospects right. But to get him back The Canes would ask for Sutter back and bad contract. Ok.

Its one of the worst contracts in the NHL today. People are total fools if they think its a smart idea to reacquire a third line center who is bound to make $6 million for the next seven years when 35% of your cap space is tied up with three players. Carolina wouldn't have any interest in our overpriced garbage as a return.

Posters wonder why last year we didn't have the money to start the season with a good third line. Because cap concerns wouldn't allow us to do so. And now, the answer is bringing back a third line center making a ridiculous amount of money that hasn't had a season over 51 points thus far.

Rutherford hasn't made a bad move yet as GM. He would be the biggest buffoon to reacquire Staal and that contract. Our third line would be Staal, Scott Wilson and Jayson Megna next year because we wouldn't have any cap room.

That would be smart folks.
- Oneonta Penguin

Good to see your smiling face back again! Always so f'in +

It's real easy.....it's called a buyout
- pensfan024

Yes, eat up cap space on a player that isn't even playing on your team. That will increase your depth.