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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Feb 18 @ 6:41 PM ET
I would be happy if Hexy could just get rid of
Luke
Grossmann
And Coburn ( 1st)

Leaves lots of cap space!

- 3flyerkids

flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Feb 18 @ 6:45 PM ET
Nice deal for Schultz. Reasonable.

Isnt it interesting that the d-core that's supposed to be adequate has a couple fresh faces come in and outplay most of the regulars.

In terms of movement, may be in the minority but I'd hang on to Coburn unless a deal blows the door off. The Flyers should know first hand just how hard it is to find a decent d-man. Coburn's career may be defined by up and down periods, chronic inconsistency but he is generally a solid top 4 d-man. Especially when given a decent partner and not being made into a #1-2 guy like the Flyers have continuously tried to do.

I want Coburn to stay. The unfortunate aspect comes in with guys like MacDonald, Grossmann and in particular Luke. Players you would probably want off the team, but nobody may want.

I do not want the young d prospects touching NHL ice next season, and wouldn't be opposed to including Ghost in that group.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 6:46 PM ET
Better linemates for Laughton by being demoted

Bob Rotruck ‏@BobRotruck
Projected F's:
38 Akeson 25 Cousins 45 Stortini
23 Leier 21 Laughton 10 Gordon
37 Rosehill 11 Fyten 16 Hextall
24 Straka 17 Goumas 36 Powe
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 18 @ 6:46 PM ET
I would be happy if Hexy could just get rid of
Luke
Grossmann
And Coburn ( 1st)

Leaves lots of cap space!

- 3flyerkids

I think you have to hold onto at least one. You do need some physical presence moving forward. It will be a while still before Morin fills out.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 6:47 PM ET
People will laugh, but I wouldn't move MDZ for less than a first right now

When you look at the ice time, the assignments, the production, he's playing like a first-rounder, and there's no reason to believe he can't continue

- AllInForFlyers


I'm not going to laugh. I may pass on trading Del Zotto for a first.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Feb 18 @ 6:48 PM ET
I think you have to hold onto at least one. You do need some physical presence moving forward. It will be a while still before Morin fills out.
- hereticpride


I'd choose Grossmann hands down.

Honestly pretty close to done with the Schenns. Brayden in particular has had moments of really good play, but I think he has been given a gift by having nobody push him out of a spot. The Flyers lack any real skilled forward prospects to challenge his position. For now.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 18 @ 6:48 PM ET
with Kimmo coming back, we will finally have a Finn in the lineup again.
- wilsonecho91


and like ralphie getting his red ryder, all will be right with the world.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 6:48 PM ET
I wouldn't go that far...it's not a bad deal, but it's not exactly a great deal. Hextall's sure cornering the market on 3rd pair defensemen.
- Jsaquella


I agree with the poster, it's a fine deal. It gives the Flyers a solid veteran defensive defenseman at a bargain price. It will allow them to make other moves to clear up cap space, and now have a cheaper replacement in the fold. Strong signing by Hextall.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 18 @ 6:49 PM ET
Better linemates for Laughton by being demoted

Bob Rotruck ‏@BobRotruck
Projected F's:
38 Akeson 25 Cousins 45 Stortini
23 Leier 21 Laughton 10 Gordon
37 Rosehill 11 Fyten 16 Hextall
24 Straka 17 Goumas 36 Powe

- ob18


stortini on the top line is a joke.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 6:50 PM ET
stortini on the top line is a joke.
- hammarby31


That's just for laughs
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 6:52 PM ET
Nice deal for Schultz. Reasonable.

Isnt it interesting that the d-core that's supposed to be adequate has a couple fresh faces come in and outplay most of the regulars.

In terms of movement, may be in the minority but I'd hang on to Coburn unless a deal blows the door off. The Flyers should know first hand just how hard it is to find a decent d-man. Coburn's career may be defined by up and down periods, chronic inconsistency but he is generally a solid top 4 d-man. Especially when given a decent partner and not being made into a #1-2 guy like the Flyers have continuously tried to do.

I want Coburn to stay. The unfortunate aspect comes in with guys like MacDonald, Grossmann and in particular Luke. Players you would probably want off the team, but nobody may want.

I do not want the young d prospects touching NHL ice next season, and wouldn't be opposed to including Ghost in that group.

- flyer_nutter


I agree completely on Coburn.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Feb 18 @ 6:54 PM ET
I agree completely on Coburn.
- MJL


I may hate a lot of them on that back end, but at this point in the organization's growth, Coburn, Streit and MDZ should be keepers. One of Grossmann or Luke.

Unless well yeah, they blow your boxers off with an offer.

The changes to the back end imo shouldn't be, and don't think will be so quick. Couple years at least.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Feb 18 @ 6:55 PM ET
Nice deal for Schultz. Reasonable.

Isnt it interesting that the d-core that's supposed to be adequate has a couple fresh faces come in and outplay most of the regulars.

In terms of movement, may be in the minority but I'd hang on to Coburn unless a deal blows the door off. The Flyers should know first hand just how hard it is to find a decent d-man. Coburn's career may be defined by up and down periods, chronic inconsistency but he is generally a solid top 4 d-man. Especially when given a decent partner and not being made into a #1-2 guy like the Flyers have continuously tried to do.

I want Coburn to stay. The unfortunate aspect comes in with guys like MacDonald, Grossmann and in particular Luke. Players you would probably want off the team, but nobody may want.

I do not want the young d prospects touching NHL ice next season, and wouldn't be opposed to including Ghost in that group.

- flyer_nutter


I'd certainly hold onto Coburn if I can move Grossmann and Schenn.

hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 18 @ 6:56 PM ET
I'd choose Grossmann hands down.

Honestly pretty close to done with the Schenns. Brayden in particular has had moments of really good play, but I think he has been given a gift by having nobody push him out of a spot. The Flyers lack any real skilled forward prospects to challenge his position. For now.

- flyer_nutter

I'm essentially in the same boat. Luke is what he is. As the cap goes up his deal doesn't look terrible or anything.

Brayden just doesn't seem to fit. That's not to say I don't think he won't continue to develop. But this team does have a big need in the LW department and an even bigger need in scoring that comes from 5 on 5, non top line play.

I don't know what packaging them gets you but I think Hexy needs to at least see what is out there. If the Schenns get me Boedker or be the nucleus of a deal for Hertl I'm probably making that deal.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Feb 18 @ 6:58 PM ET
I'd certainly hold onto Coburn if I can move Grossmann and Schenn.
- BiggE


Honestly don't know if you can move either. They have one more year on the deal after this I believe.

Which is why I think we look at a similar season next year. Which I am fine with, have to pay the price for escaping bad deals. It will be a tough sell to have largely the same group return next year but I wouldn't be against it. One more year of poop, then start the infusion of talent and kids. Upswing then.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 7:06 PM ET
Honestly don't know if you can move either. They have one more year on the deal after this I believe.

Which is why I think we look at a similar season next year. Which I am fine with, have to pay the price for escaping bad deals. It will be a tough sell to have largely the same group return next year but I wouldn't be against it. One more year of poop, then start the infusion of talent and kids. Upswing then.

- flyer_nutter


I think they can move Grossmann and Schenn if they want to in the off season or around the draft.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 7:11 PM ET
Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
Devils still believe they're in the playoff hunt, so Jagr trade discussions very temporarily on hold. Still trade bait.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Feb 18 @ 7:12 PM ET
I think they can move Grossmann and Schenn if they want to in the off season or around the draft.
- MJL


Without a questionable deal coming back? Would be nice to be shown wrong.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 18 @ 7:14 PM ET
Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
Devils still believe they're in the playoff hunt, so Jagr trade discussions very temporarily on hold. Still trade bait.

- ob18

Somebody might want to get Uncle Lou in a home.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 7:14 PM ET
Somebody might want to get Uncle Lou in a home.
- hereticpride


flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Feb 18 @ 7:15 PM ET
Somebody might want to get Uncle Lou in a home.
- hereticpride


Or morons like Dreger into a real job instead of trying to stir up "hits".

BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Feb 18 @ 7:16 PM ET
Honestly don't know if you can move either. They have one more year on the deal after this I believe.

Which is why I think we look at a similar season next year. Which I am fine with, have to pay the price for escaping bad deals. It will be a tough sell to have largely the same group return next year but I wouldn't be against it. One more year of poop, then start the infusion of talent and kids. Upswing then.

- flyer_nutter


I think you can move them if not now, during the offseason. However, you won't get much for either, especially Luke. Hockey guys, according to Bill, still like Grossmann. Luke though, well, don't see any Gm salivating over adding him to the roster.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 7:18 PM ET
Without a questionable deal coming back? Would be nice to be shown wrong.
- flyer_nutter


Yes, without a questionable deal coming back. Both are good stay home physical defenseman. They'll only have 1 season left on their deal. 3.5M isn't a lot of money for a decent defenseman.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 7:18 PM ET
Somebody might want to get Uncle Lou in a home.
- hereticpride


Uncle Lou is posturing.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 18 @ 7:20 PM ET
Uncle Lou is posturing.
- MJL

Yeah, that's what I figured. Jagr is very much available. He just don't like the offers coming in.
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