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FlyersGrace
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Feb 18 @ 3:47 PM ET
I think one of these will be gone at TDL and another at the draft.

I doubt AMac is the one that gets moved, though.

- johndewar

I agree I think Coburn and Grossmann won't be here next season. Which makes me sad. I will await news on what return we get...
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Feb 18 @ 3:49 PM ET
I have to be careful how many times I respond to your posts
- FlyersGrace

I still have three to go.

Two...
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 18 @ 3:49 PM ET
that's pretty reasonable.

It also tells me Hextall is gonna shed some D at the TDL.

- johndewar

If this means shedding some other salary on the back end, and if Shultz can play this well for another two years, I like it.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 18 @ 3:50 PM ET
I know you're just trolling but they should seriously be looking at options for moving a couple of those guys.
- JAKEw1234


MacDonald isn't going anywhere with his contract.

I would trade Coburn, but not sell low. First round pick or bust.

Schenn, and Grossmann should be moved for any asset just to clear the cap space.

If they can move L. Schenn and Grossmann frees up 7+ million in cap space. Can make a run at Franson. I know he's not ideal, but he's better than anyone they have.
arichardson22
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Feb 18 @ 3:51 PM ET
personally think we should trade as many as these guys as we can, perhaps package with B schenn for young talented defensemen, and then with that money freed up with these trades sign forwards via free agency, only problem is can't think of any good wingers to bring in that could work for us production and salary wise.
- arichardson22


EDIT: perhaps belesky, tlusty, frolik, hell maybe bring back J Williams for the right price.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Feb 18 @ 3:52 PM ET
If this means shedding some other salary on the back end, and if Shultz can play this well for another two years, I like it.
- BulliesPhan87


Schultz buys you time for the guys coming through the system to get where they need to be.
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Feb 18 @ 3:52 PM ET
personally think we should trade as many as these guys as we can, perhaps package with B schenn for young talented defensemen, and then with that money freed up with these trades sign forwards via free agency, only problem is can't think of any good wingers to bring in that could work for us production and salary wise.
- arichardson22


Wish it were that simple. I think Coburn and Schenn is the only combo that will get you a decent young d-man coming back and you'd need a team with the cap space to take on $7 mill in cap space.

I'm afraid we won't see Hextall trade more than one defenseman at the deadline because of the cap constraints teams in contention have to deal with. Not many contending teams have even enough space for Coburn's cap hit
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Feb 18 @ 3:53 PM ET
MacDonald isn't going anywhere with his contract.

I would trade Coburn, but not sell low. First round pick or bust.

Schenn, and Grossmann should be moved for any asset just to clear the cap space.

- PLindbergh31


You'd likely have to surrender a draft pick just to have someone assume AMac's contract at this point.

If he were playing better, it might be a different conversation.
arichardson22
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
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Feb 18 @ 3:53 PM ET
Wish it were that simple. I think Coburn and Schenn is the only combo that will get you a decent young d-man coming back and you'd need a team with the cap space to take on $7 mill in cap space.

I'm afraid we won't see Hextall trade more than one defenseman at the deadline because of the cap constraints teams in contention have to deal with. Not many contending teams have even enough space for Coburn's cap hit

- mcefalu


I should have specified, but the package deal would be in the offseason/draft when the teams have better idea with their caps.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Feb 18 @ 3:54 PM ET
Wish it were that simple. I think Coburn and Schenn is the only combo that will get you a decent young d-man coming back and you'd need a team with the cap space to take on $7 mill in cap space.

I'm afraid we won't see Hextall trade more than one defenseman at the deadline because of the cap constraints teams in contention have to deal with. Not many contending teams have even enough space for Coburn's cap hit

- mcefalu


I agree....I think if Hextall can trade one at the TDL (I'm betting he thinks he can, given the timing of Schultz's extension), that would be a good thing.

Getting rid of another at the draft would be a nice coup and provide some flexibility.
arichardson22
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Feb 18 @ 3:54 PM ET
Wish it were that simple. I think Coburn and Schenn is the only combo that will get you a decent young d-man coming back and you'd need a team with the cap space to take on $7 mill in cap space.

I'm afraid we won't see Hextall trade more than one defenseman at the deadline because of the cap constraints teams in contention have to deal with. Not many contending teams have even enough space for Coburn's cap hit

- mcefalu


we could trade MDZ but i want to keep him for sure
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 18 @ 3:55 PM ET
Schultz signed to a multi year deal
- nastyflyergirl


Quiet TDL for the Flyers incoming.
PhiFaninEdm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 11.21.2011

Feb 18 @ 3:55 PM ET
Another good bargain signing by Hextall with Schultz.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Feb 18 @ 3:56 PM ET
rinaldo is still his best signing
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 18 @ 3:57 PM ET
Quiet TDL for the Flyers incoming.
- Tomahawk


I think 2 of L. Schenn, Grossman, Timonen, Coburn are dealt.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Feb 18 @ 3:57 PM ET
I think one of these will be gone at TDL and another at the draft.

I doubt AMac is the one that gets moved, though.

- johndewar

This time last season I'd say Grossmann should be the first to go, but now I'm leaning towards Luke Schenn. Speaking as one of his biggest early advocates, he just hasn't been good at all. I know he's young and all that, but he has 482 NHL games under his belt. That's about 30 less games played than Grossmann, Voracek, and Simmonds have. It's only like 120 less games (that's a healthy season and a half of games) than Braydon Coburn has, and Mark Streit isn't very far from that either. I've been trying to believe for a couple years now that there's more to develop, and more to show, but I'm starting to doubt it. I think he's probably in his prime already, and to be honest, I'm ready to move on from him.
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Feb 18 @ 3:59 PM ET
I should have specified, but the package deal would be in the offseason/draft when the teams have better idea with their caps.
- arichardson22


Ah, gotcha. Yeah that makes more sense. If Hextall can unload at least one big defensive contract before trade deadline and one more before the draft, I'll be more than satisfied, even if it's just for a couple of picks/underwhelming defensemen with reasonable cap hits
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Feb 18 @ 4:00 PM ET
we could trade MDZ but i want to keep him for sure
- arichardson22


Agreed. That worries me as well. There are quite a few teams in contention that could afford to take on MDZ's contract. To me it seems like he and Coburn are the most likely defensemen to get traded by the deadline.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Feb 18 @ 4:00 PM ET
MacDonald isn't going anywhere with his contract.

I would trade Coburn, but not sell low. First round pick or bust.

Schenn, and Grossmann should be moved for any asset just to clear the cap space.

If they can move L. Schenn and Grossmann frees up 7+ million in cap space. Can make a run at Franson. I know he's not ideal, but he's better than anyone they have.

- PLindbergh31

I don't want to see Hextall make a move to bring in any Dmen. Our prospects are too close to the NHL to give up considerable assets, I think.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 18 @ 4:01 PM ET
Quiet TDL for the Flyers incoming.
- Tomahawk


Someone has to go, or get injured.
billybudd27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: malvern, PA
Joined: 08.10.2007

Feb 18 @ 4:01 PM ET


how did everyone just glaze past this???

Janne Niinimaa and Bill Meltzer were discussing Candlemass...
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 18 @ 4:01 PM ET
I think 2 of L. Schenn, Grossman, Timonen, Coburn are dealt.
- PLindbergh31


I wouldn't get my hopes up.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Feb 18 @ 4:01 PM ET
Agreed. That worries me as well. There are quite a few teams in contention that could afford to take on MDZ's contract. To me it seems like he and Coburn are the most likely defensemen to get traded by the deadline.
- mcefalu


yeah and supposedly a ton of scouts have been looking at MDZ.. I'm hoping he is extended soon, especially with Schultz being signed today. But MDZ is restricted so that's always a plus and something to put aside until offseason
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Feb 18 @ 4:01 PM ET
mdz 1st or no trade
coburn 1st
grossmann 3rd
macdonald anything
schenn 3rd
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 18 @ 4:02 PM ET
Schultz has played well, fair deal for both sides.

If Hextall doesn't move out a few dmen at the deadline, I'm concerned it's going to be the same blueline again next year. Which they aren't going to be able to sell to anyone.

- PLindbergh31


Morin and Ghost will be serious candidates to play in the top 6. If not on opening night, then later on in the season after some AHL time.
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