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z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Feb 17 @ 7:19 PM ET
He would be ok.
- Elbows15



I agree.. just cant believe hes getting 3 million a year..
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Feb 17 @ 7:24 PM ET
I agree.. just cant believe hes getting 3 million a year..
- z1990z


Tallon must have monetary conversion issues. He pays in rubles or something.



Guys. I think I have found the addition.


Ladies and Gentlemen, I present you

Cam Atkinson.
BearsnHawks
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: TX
Joined: 07.01.2012

Feb 17 @ 7:28 PM ET
sabres vs devils? what a (frank)ing joke.
- Elbows15


There has to be a record level of scouts at that game
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Feb 17 @ 7:30 PM ET
Tallon must have monetary conversion issues. He pays in rubles or something.



Guys. I think I have found the addition.


Ladies and Gentlemen, I present you

Cam Atkinson.

- Elbows15


Yup, adding him would make Shaw look bigger and meaner.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Feb 17 @ 7:35 PM ET
Yup, adding him would make Shaw look bigger and meaner.
- RickJ

Get with the program , Rick. Shaw and 29887439 draft picks plus 17 prospects are being traded for Vermette.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Feb 17 @ 7:42 PM ET
Get with the program , Rick. Shaw and 29887439 draft picks plus 17 prospects are being traded for Vermette.
- Elbows15


Damn that's big, real big.

I got bad info - was told Stanbo and McD sent every Hawk scout to Toronto to watch Olli Jokinen in his Maple Leaf debut.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Feb 17 @ 7:45 PM ET
Damn that's big, real big.

I got bad info - was told Stanbo and McD sent every Hawk scout to Toronto to watch Olli Jokinen in his Maple Leaf debut.

- RickJ

Jokinen is the human fruit cake. Gets passed around and your team won't make the playoffs when you get him.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Feb 17 @ 8:03 PM ET
sabres vs devils? what a (frank)ing joke.
- Elbows15

Why? Because the are lottery teams for the next few yrs?
hawks2010
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Madison, WI
Joined: 07.13.2009

Feb 17 @ 8:19 PM ET
Hawks have a pair of scouts at TOR/FLA tonight.



But dont get too excited there are avout 25 scouts registered for that game

- mrpaulish

Tomas Kopecky? Would prefer Winnik.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Feb 17 @ 8:31 PM ET
Tomas Kopecky? Would prefer Winnik.
- hawks2010

Winnik is fine, but TOR's asking price is ridiculous.
blackhawk24
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lake in the Hills, IL
Joined: 06.06.2009

Feb 17 @ 8:38 PM ET
RE: your statement that they have "come back to the pack" this year.

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2013-14 through 57 games: 33-10-14 (80 points)
2014-15 through 57 games: 35-18-4 (74 points)

Two more wins, with six less points because of losing several more games in regulation as opposed to OT.

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2013-14 through 57 games: +42 goal differential (+0.73 GPG)
2014-15 through 57 games: +41 goal differential (+0.72 GPG)

A statistical wash.

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2013-14 through 57 games: 2.77 GAA
2014-15 through 57 games: 2.26 GAA

A massive improvement.

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2013-14 Corsi-For (couldn't find in-season sats): 55.3%
2014-15 Corsi-For through 57 games: 56.3%

An improvement.

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If we are arguing that last year's team was a legitimate Cup contender, which they clearly were given their making it to OT of Game 7 of the Western Conference Final, and we acknowledge that defense (as measured by GAA), possession (as measured by Corsi and its various offshoots), and goal differential are predictors of playoff success, I find it hard to believe that a team with massively improved defensive numbers, improved possession numbers, and the same goal differential, has "come back to the pack" or regressed in any significant way.

And yes, before you say it, I do watch the game. I go to upwards of 75 games a year and watch NHL, AHL, KHL and European hockey on a regular basis. Citing numbers does not preclude a person from also "watching the game."

- BreakoutHockey

The much bigger difference is other teams improving so much more: NSH and ANA specifically. StL is still at least as good, watch out for LA and the PEG has 7/8 pts this far bs the 'Hawks. All said, SB has to increase the snarl of this squad.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Feb 17 @ 8:40 PM ET
Jokinen is the human fruit cake. Gets passed around and your team won't make the playoffs when you get him.
- Elbows15

1,200 regular season games, SIX playoff games!

Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Feb 17 @ 8:41 PM ET
1,200 regular season games, SIX playoff games!
- paulr

What are Dion's numbers?
hockey nut 28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Kansas City
Joined: 11.01.2006

Feb 17 @ 8:43 PM ET
I think we need to move Sharp now, because IF we are going to re-sign Seabrook over the summer, where is that money gonna come from? Unless, god help me to say this, would we move Seabrook too?
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Feb 17 @ 8:43 PM ET
What are Dion's numbers?
- Bieksa#3

728 and 32
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Feb 17 @ 8:49 PM ET
I think we need to move Sharp now, because IF we are going to re-sign Seabrook over the summer, where is that money gonna come from? Unless, god help me to say this, would we move Seabrook too?
- hockey nut 28


I imagine Sharp and Bickell and Shaw would be gone before Bowman lets Seabrookeave town .
ChadBot
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: The Shire, IL
Joined: 09.18.2014

Feb 17 @ 8:49 PM ET
I think we need to move Sharp now, because IF we are going to re-sign Seabrook over the summer, where is that money gonna come from? Unless, god help me to say this, would we move Seabrook too?
- hockey nut 28


There is one more year on seabrooks contract. Hes not going anywhere this summer.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Feb 17 @ 8:50 PM ET
I think we need to move Sharp now, because IF we are going to re-sign Seabrook over the summer, where is that money gonna come from? Unless, god help me to say this, would we move Seabrook too?
- hockey nut 28


My fear too, moving Seabs. But with Keith signed long-term, I don't think both will be around after next season.
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Feb 17 @ 8:51 PM ET
Get with the program , Rick. Shaw and 29887439 draft picks plus 17 prospects are being traded for Vermette.
- Elbows15

RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Feb 17 @ 8:53 PM ET
Winnik is fine, but TOR's asking price is ridiculous.
- L_B_R


Big difference between asking price and what a team actually gets for a player, especially a UFA.

If the Leafs are lucky they will get a 3rd for him.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Feb 17 @ 8:53 PM ET

- Ogilthorpe2

You're right. Think we need to add.
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Feb 17 @ 8:55 PM ET
You're right. Think we need to add.
- Elbows15

Throw in that overpaid Kane bum, or maybe that Toes kid...never win anything with those two.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Feb 17 @ 8:58 PM ET
I think we need to move Sharp now, because IF we are going to re-sign Seabrook over the summer, where is that money gonna come from? Unless, god help me to say this, would we move Seabrook too?
- hockey nut 28

Eh, the timing of a Sharp trade either now or in the off-season will have no impact on signing Seabrook.

It's really simple imo. Moving Sharp in-season is not going to return his value/what CHI needs now. The teams that need Sharp now also need what CHI needs (a defenseman, maybe a center). The bottom-feeder teams that have the assets CHI needs do not need Sharp right now. And please do not counter with Eller-Emelin; one is bigger but less physical than our current 3C and the other is physical but slow and just really not good.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Feb 17 @ 9:00 PM ET
Big difference between asking price and what a team actually gets for a player, especially a UFA.

If the Leafs are lucky they will get a 3rd for him.

- RickJ

You know there is going to be that GM that is stupid enough to pay that price. I mean, Rutherford really want Winnik, and he's already shown he'll trade a decent bottom 6 center for someone who is lucky he's still playing in the NHL because GRIT.
Habs-Sam
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Canada, QC
Joined: 06.22.2008

Feb 17 @ 9:02 PM ET
Eller for Sharp or gt(frank)o.
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