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tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Feb 18 @ 11:27 AM ET
Don't kknow if this has been discussed but Elliot Friedman is reporting that a lot of GM's think Bowman is going to take a run at Andrej Sekera.

Any idea what Chicago would be willing to give up?

- BINGO!


Probably the extra 2nd rounder, maybe a prospect, and a player on the roster for cap space.

If Francis wants a 1st rounder and player as I've read I doubt it will happen. Of course, Dineen/Francis/Quennville do have some history together so maybe they can talk him into it.

What do you hear Francis wants? Sekera hasn't looked that good lately in the games I have seen.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Feb 18 @ 11:32 AM ET
Bowman is having problems with trade partners because he is an arrogant jerk. Not many GMs in the league want to deal with him.

And there is still animosity from how the Hawks front office pushed Dale Tallon out the door. Doug Wilson for one was pissed about how it was handled - and he has a lot of friends in the league.

Just watch how other teams in the NHL have no problems moving players - even helping teams out with horrible trades - the Hawks are never involved - and for good reason.

- dahawks8819



Do you honestly believe this? If a GM has the opportunity to make his club better he will, regardless of who his trading partner is. Garth Snow saw an opportunity to make his team better by acquiring Leddy and he took it. Do you think it crossed his mind to say "no, I don't want Leddy because Stan is a jerk"? Nobody conducts business that way.

Wilson is pissed at the Hawks for the way he was treated, not the way Tallon was treated. In all honesty Wilson has the right to be upset, but that has nothing to do with Stan. Over the past couple seasons the Sharks and Hawks have even made a couple trades together.

The 30 GMs are professionals. Sure, there may be some unwritten rules but nothing to prevent a GM from making his team better via trade.

Also, can you elaborate on why you think Stan is an "arrogant jerk".
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Feb 18 @ 11:34 AM ET
Probably the extra 2nd rounder, maybe a prospect, and a player on the roster for cap space.

If Francis wants a 1st rounder and player as I've read I doubt it will happen. Of course, Dineen/Francis/Quennville do have some history together so maybe they can talk him into it.

What do you hear Francis wants? Sekera hasn't looked that good lately in the games I have seen.

- tredbrta


Word is that the Rangers offered a prospect and a 2nd for him yesterday and Francis turned it down. He's holding out for a 1st and a prospect.

If rumours are to be believed, then there's a lot of teams interested. L.A., Detroit, Montreal, Chicago, Dallas, Tampa, Pittsburgh, NYR and Anaheim have all reportedly expressed interest.

Biggest asset here is that he's a decent top 4 defenseman who has a miniscule cap hit. Basically any team in the league could fit him in. His pro-rated cap hit is just over a million bucks.
Cup-Bearer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 18 @ 12:01 PM ET
Word is that the Rangers offered a prospect and a 2nd for him yesterday and Francis turned it down. He's holding out for a 1st and a prospect.

If rumours are to be believed, then there's a lot of teams interested. L.A., Detroit, Montreal, Chicago, Dallas, Tampa, Pittsburgh, NYR and Anaheim have all reportedly expressed interest.

Biggest asset here is that he's a decent top 4 defenseman who has a miniscule cap hit. Basically any team in the league could fit him in. His pro-rated cap hit is just over a million bucks.

- BINGO!


Stan would need to go salary for salary. Sekera is a cap hit of 2.75, so
Shaw 2.0 unlikely to move
Bickell 4.0 unlikely to move only hitter on team
Smith 1.5 well maybe but he is on pk
Hartman .895 maybe
Rassmussen .792 maybe
Erixon/Cuminsly .600 each will be leaving for TVR .925 savings .275

Don't see a three for 1 considering he is a rental so looking at current roster spots its Smith/Hartman 2.395 cap hit + relief .275 = 2.67. Is Sekera as a rental worth it?
ikeane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Joined: 11.04.2005

Feb 18 @ 12:11 PM ET
Stan would need to go salary for salary. Sekera is a cap hit of 2.75, so
Shaw 2.0 unlikely to move
Bickell 4.0 unlikely to move only hitter on team
Smith 1.5 well maybe but he is on pk
Hartman .895 maybe
Rassmussen .792 maybe
Erixon/Cuminsly .600 each will be leaving for TVR .925 savings .275

Don't see a three for 1 considering he is a rental so looking at current roster spots its Smith/Hartman 2.395 cap hit + relief .275 = 2.67. Is Sekera as a rental worth it?

- Cup-Bearer


Floater, minimal effort by Bicks in a Hawk uniform. Hartman is making the effort to hit people (see Zubrus hit), and with the cap savings, a thumper may be able to be brought in. Smith is untouchable IMO. Big part with Kruger into the high PK success rate.

Would not mind Bicks with Erixon/Rundblad for Sekera and Terry as central points of a deal. Depends on what the Canes demands would be. I would imagine the extra 2nd would automatically head toward Raleigh in any deal.
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Feb 18 @ 12:21 PM ET
More twittter today about the Hawks being in on Vermette.

What do you think a realistic deal would look like ?
TyCamScore
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.09.2010

Feb 18 @ 12:29 PM ET
More twittter today about the Hawks being in on Vermette.

What do you think a realistic deal would look like ?

- mrpaulish


Stan would have to get really creative. He's a 3.75M/per - pro-rated of course but who goes the other way for CHI?

Shaw? Sharp? Bickell? Don't see those guys being parted with right before, what's anticipated as a long playoff run by management.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Feb 18 @ 12:29 PM ET
More twittter today about the Hawks being in on Vermette.

What do you think a realistic deal would look like ?

- mrpaulish



Sharp, Prospect and Draft pick.
TyCamScore
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.09.2010

Feb 18 @ 12:30 PM ET
Word is that the Rangers offered a prospect and a 2nd for him yesterday and Francis turned it down. He's holding out for a 1st and a prospect.

If rumours are to be believed, then there's a lot of teams interested. L.A., Detroit, Montreal, Chicago, Dallas, Tampa, Pittsburgh, NYR and Anaheim have all reportedly expressed interest.

Biggest asset here is that he's a decent top 4 defenseman who has a miniscule cap hit. Basically any team in the league could fit him in. His pro-rated cap hit is just over a million bucks.

- BINGO!


How's Brad Malone? Looks like a lower line banger that Stan may look at as well.

Maybe they grow the deal and make it work.
Bjm84
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 03.29.2013

Feb 18 @ 12:31 PM ET
More twittter today about the Hawks being in on Vermette.

What do you think a realistic deal would look like ?

- mrpaulish


I don't understand the thinking on Vermette. He comes with a 3.75 million cap hit and the Blackhawks have less than 1 million in space. This team definitely needs a centerman of his skill set but less so now then then offseason because of Richards.

If they bring in Vermette, does he slot in at 3C? Plus who goes back? They'd have to send Shaw plus someone else back? I'm not sold on the thinking here.
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Feb 18 @ 12:31 PM ET
Sharp, Prospect and Draft pick.
- EnzoD



Id rather it was Shaw Prospect JJD And a #1 .

Where does that leave the Hawks $ wise ?
Bjm84
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 03.29.2013

Feb 18 @ 12:31 PM ET
Sharp, Prospect and Draft pick.
- EnzoD


That's a huge overpay for a 2 month rental.
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Feb 18 @ 12:32 PM ET
I don't understand the thinking on Vermette. He comes with a 3.75 million cap hit and the Blackhawks have less than 1 million in space. This team definitely needs a centerman of his skill set but less so now then then offseason because of Richards.

If they bring in Vermette, does he slot in at 3C? Plus who goes back? They'd have to send Shaw plus someone else back? I'm not sold on the thinking here.

- Bjm84

.


I wish capgeek was here


If it were Shaw prospect and a #1 pick . Arizona.could retain 1.5 m making Shaw and Vermettes cap hits a wash right ?
CBHawks88
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Pallie
Joined: 07.05.2012

Feb 18 @ 12:32 PM ET
Sharp, Prospect and Draft pick.
- EnzoD


Are we trading for Jeff Carter, again?
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Feb 18 @ 12:33 PM ET
That's a huge overpay for a 2 month rental.
- Bjm84



Agreed.

Would feel better if it was Shaw.with Arizona retainong the difference.
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Feb 18 @ 12:33 PM ET
Are we trading for Jeff Carter, again?
- CBHawks88



I wish
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Feb 18 @ 12:33 PM ET
How's Brad Malone? Looks like a lower line banger that Stan may look at as well.

Maybe they grow the deal and make it work.

- TyCamScore


I don't think Malone is going anywhere. He was really rough to start the season but as it's gone on he's really been a force in the bottom half of the roster by drawing penalties and chipping in offensively.

McClement and Dwyer would both be available before Malone.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Feb 18 @ 12:33 PM ET
Sharp, Prospect and Draft pick.
- EnzoD

Is that it?? Curious why you think you'd have to overpay to get Vermette? Sharp is a better player than Vermette, by a long shot. Why would the Hawks need to sweeten the deal? Besides, I doubt Sharp agrees to be moved to Arizona.
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Feb 18 @ 12:33 PM ET
Sharp, Prospect and Draft pick.
- EnzoD


Were you being sarcastical?

mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Feb 18 @ 12:34 PM ET
Is that it?? Curious why you think you'd have to overpay to get Vermette? Sharp is a better player than Vermette, by a long shot. Why would the Hawks need to sweeten the deal? Besides, I doubt Sharp agrees to be moved to Arizona.
- paulr



Agrred. Doubt Sharp is on the move nOw. Maybe this summer.
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Feb 18 @ 12:34 PM ET
Were you being sarcastical?
- tredbrta



No red font !!!?????
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Feb 18 @ 12:35 PM ET
Is that it?? Curious why you think you'd have to overpay to get Vermette? Sharp is a better player than Vermette, by a long shot. Why would the Hawks need to sweeten the deal? Besides, I doubt Sharp agrees to be moved to Arizona.
- paulr


Even with cap pressures that deal would require Vermette PLUS coming back not Sharp plus a package for a rental.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Feb 18 @ 12:36 PM ET
That's a huge overpay for a 2 month rental.
- Bjm84



its the trade deadline, everything is an overpay. Also, I didnt said the draft pick and prospect would be high value assets going the other way. How about a mid-level prospect and 3rd/4th round pick? I'd take it given Sharp's current role on the team.
CBHawks88
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Pallie
Joined: 07.05.2012

Feb 18 @ 12:36 PM ET
its the trade deadline, everything is an overpay. Also, I didnt said the draft pick and prospect would be high value assets going the other way. How about a mid-level prospect and 3rd/4th round pick? I'd take it given Sharp's current role on the team.
- EnzoD


Thank the (frank)ing lord you're not our GM.
DirkGraham
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 11.02.2012

Feb 18 @ 12:37 PM ET
How is a team third in its own division the "team to beat"? Is it just because you believe it so? If you are going by pedigree, the Kings will be the team to beat as they've now rolled off 5 in a row and are on the cusp of moving into the playoff picture. And if you go by current performance, it sure as hell isn't Chicago over Nashville or St. Louis (I am completely not sold on Anaheim).

Hell, the only team NOT in the Central that really worries me is the Kings...the Central is amazing...Blows and Preds and right behind the Hawks are Winnipeg and Minnesota, either could easily make a run.

- kwolf68


They are the team to beat, just as the Kings will be, because they have the most important intangible... They have done it twice. That's all. A case can be made for a lot of teams to come out of the west, but the teams to beat are the one's you know have done it, and therefore have a measurable input to project doing it again.
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