i havent recovered from a lot of things buddy.
- stayinthefnnet

Is Game 6 of the 2010 SCF still haunting you, closet Flyers fan?

3rd and a 5th sounds right for Winnick. Same price we paid for Goc last year, and he is the same type of player.
- cap1681

We don't have a 3rd.....and GMJR better not be trading their 2nd for a 3rd line rental.

You can blame the disfunction on Disco ( I do). Iggy played his whole career on the right side but Dan put him on the left. Neal should have been moved to the left (where he played before coming to Pitt) and Iggy on the right with Malkin....but it was once again a case of Disco not changing his ways
- willi

You need to put alot of blame on Shero as well. I'm sick and tired of all this blame on the coach. He was no doubt part of the problem. Fact is this ... we had the best power play in the NHL at the time. We had two solid lines at the time. He wasn't needed in any way, shape or form.

Shero acquired him without a plan in place. One would think a plan would have been put together in the event Iginla came. It wasn't and hence, the dysfunction in the roster.

We don't have a 3rd.....and GMJR better not be trading their 2nd for a 3rd line rental.
- madmike71

next years 3rd.

One quarter-year of Iginla > careers of Morgan Klimchuk, Kenny Agostino, and Ben Hanowski.
- jmatchett383

Thats like saying the opposite of the Money Ball joke...

Theres Good players, then theres bad players... then there is 50 feet of crap, then there are players who we need to verbally abuse for our jokes and comparisons.

maybe we are just cheap, and i get things are worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it, but in my mind, thats just really what he should be worth.

any more than that, and the long term sacrifice is too great for the potential short term gain. i understand the win now mentality, and i am partial to it given the current makeup of the team.

but moving for a nice third line guy like winnick isnt like swinging for the fences with the big deadline guy in hossa or whatever.

the guy i really want is vermette, and for the price he will cost, that probably will be nonsensical as well.
- stayinthefnnet

We aren't cheap. We are sensible. A run of the mill third line player going into ufa shouldn't have much of a cost. Winnick is a run of the mill third line player. He makes out third line better, but that is it.

Thats like saying the opposite of the Money Ball joke...

Theres Good players, then theres bad players... then there is 50 feet of crap, then there are players who we need to verbally abuse for our jokes and comparisons.
- Guile

Right over my head.

One quarter-year of Iginla > careers of Morgan Klimchuk, Kenny Agostino, and Ben Hanowski.
- jmatchett383

Pittsburgh could very well have taken Ryan Hartman. He would have yielded alot more for Pittsburgh than Iginla brought.

Is Game 6 of the 2010 SCF still haunting you, closet Flyers fan?
- jmatchett383

more like the state of my life and the general conditions of society.


that soft goal actually warms my heart. thank you friend.

You need to put alot of blame on Shero as well. I'm sick and tired of all this blame on the coach. He was no doubt part of the problem. Fact is this ... we had the best power play in the NHL at the time. We had two solid lines at the time. He wasn't needed in any way, shape or form.

Shero acquired him without a plan in place. One would think a plan would have been put together in the event Iginla came. It wasn't and hence, the dysfunction in the roster.
- Oneonta Penguin

What? That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. GM's entire job description is a plan. That's what they do. You don't think Iginla was on his radar all season long? Saying that he acquired him without a plan in place is just ignorant thinking.

We aren't cheap. We are sensible. A run of the mill third line player going into ufa shouldn't have much of a cost. Winnick is a run of the mill third line player. He makes out third line better, but that is it.
- Oneonta Penguin

If the Pens think Winnick should cost a 3rd rounder, but someone offers a 3rd and a 5th for him, the Penguins will not get him. You can be as sensible/frugal/etc. as you want, but sometimes you just have to take the plunge.

I'm not saying Winnick is the answer, but if you think a guy is a piece that can be the difference between the ECSF and the SCF, maybe you overpay for him.

How about Sutter and Bennet to the Coyotes for Antoine Vermette and Tobias Reider? There's a reset for you Don.
- Dcoms

Thats getting interesting. Not a huge Vermette fan.

Sutter + Bennett + throw in for Hanzal and Reider would be the tits.

UMMMM ... considering how fragile this team is and has been, we have to rely on WBS quite a bit, or don't you pay attention. I would rather have some good prospects to rely on in the case of injury instead of seeing the Sill's and Jason Megna's of the world up here. Not rocket science.
- Oneonta Penguin

I can think of maybe a handful of prospects for any team that do much, Nyqvist comes to mind; that have any impact at all on games. Any draft picks after the 1st round are a crap shoot anyways, I would have no problem unloading for the chance to win now and risk the future, we only have Sid and Geno for so long. If key parts of our team go down, a kid from WBS is not going to be the answer anyways.

We aren't cheap. We are sensible. A run of the mill third line player going into ufa shouldn't have much of a cost. Winnick is a run of the mill third line player. He makes out third line better, but that is it.
- Oneonta Penguin

all it takes is one or two GMs to think otherwise, and boom. inflated market value.

Im just not able to bring myself to move a guy like pouliot or harrington, or even our second, for him. i dont think its worth it.

If we had our first, I would consider our second. but not having it, im just not ready to completely bow out of this draft.

Pittsburgh could very well have taken Ryan Hartman. He would have yielded alot more for Pittsburgh than Iginla brought.
- Oneonta Penguin

Possibly. No guarantee. Shero thought that Iginla would help them win a Cup that year, so he traded assets for him. It didn't work. Doesn't mean it was a bad deal.

I trade Sutter for a rental. I think he can easily be replaced in FA. I only trade Beau for another young player.

I still think Iggy wasn't used correctly. Dan butchered that year...no doubt in my mind.
- madmike71

I think replacing Sutter in FA is easier said than done. Quality 3rd line centers are going for 4.5-6 mill on long term deals. We dont have that wiggle room.

Although Sutter has been disappointing as of late, he is still a servicable 3rd line center.. i'd think they will hold onto Sutter going into next season, put Sunqvist as 4th line center if he can repeat last years camp... and come the deadline move Sutter for a rental or draft picks if it looks like Sunqvist is capable of bumping up to 3rd line duties.. if not you hold onto Sutter and decide weather you retain or move on that off season..

Thats getting interesting. Not a huge Vermette fan.

Sutter + Bennett + throw in for Hanzal and Reider would be the tits.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

definitely just my opinion, but i think vermette would be perfect as our third line center.

hanzal, injury concerns aside, would be an absolute wet dream. i cant see that package being close to what it would take to pry him out of there.

definitely just my opinion, but i think vermette would be perfect as our third line center.

hanzal, injury concerns aside, would be an absolute wet dream. i cant see that package being close to what it would take to pry him out of there.
- stayinthefnnet

Yeah, due to the construction of that team, Hanzal and Boedker are going to commond a premium.

Edit: Unless that "throw in" is a 2016 1st rounder.

Yeah, due to the construction of that team, Hanzal and Boedker are going to commond a premium.
- jmatchett383

the injuries are the only thing that make me hesitant to go all in, but hanzal (considering his contract number) is someone i would go hard in for with the assets.

he is young enough, and currently cheap enough, to be cost controlled and around for a bit. he isnt a rental. and i think people underrate him a bit. he is huge, good possession, fairly decent offensive numbers, even though he doenst get a ton of PP time there.

he would be a huge upgrade in ability without paying the ROR cap number

What? That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. GM's entire job description is a plan. That's what they do. You don't think Iginla was on his radar all season long? Saying that he acquired him without a plan in place is just ignorant thinking.
- j.boyd919

The dumbest thing I've ever heard was something thinking Jarome Iginla was truly a need at the trade deadline for Pittsburgh.

If there was a plan in place, wouldn't he have been used more properly? Fact is, there was no plan. Hence, what we got on the ice. Not rocket science here. Ignorant is not recognizing the facts.

You need to put alot of blame on Shero as well. I'm sick and tired of all this blame on the coach. He was no doubt part of the problem. Fact is this ... we had the best power play in the NHL at the time. We had two solid lines at the time. He wasn't needed in any way, shape or form.

Shero acquired him without a plan in place. One would think a plan would have been put together in the event Iginla came. It wasn't and hence, the dysfunction in the roster.
- Oneonta Penguin

How can a team have to many good players? A good coach can find a roll for everybody. Look at Babcock and team Canada vs Disco and team USA. Maybe team USA wasn't as good on paper but they should have at least got a medal.....

I think replacing Sutter in FA is easier said than done. Quality 3rd line centers are going for 4.5-6 mill on long term deals. We dont have that wiggle room.

Although Sutter has been disappointing as of late, he is still a servicable 3rd line center.. i'd think they will hold onto Sutter going into next season, put Sunqvist as 4th line center if he can repeat last years camp... and come the deadline move Sutter for a rental or draft picks if it looks like Sunqvist is capable of bumping up to 3rd line duties.. if not you hold onto Sutter and decide weather you retain or move on that off season..
- Willaged

Sutter is not a quality 3C. He is not a high quality 4C. Name one thing he does worthy of his contract?

Also, capable 3Cs can be found in the FA market. Perreault, Grabovski, and Richards were all signed to reasonable contracts as UFAs and would all be superior options to Sutter.

Possibly. No guarantee. Shero thought that Iginla would help them win a Cup that year, so he traded assets for him. It didn't work. Doesn't mean it was a bad deal.
- jmatchett383

It's a bad deal when you acquire something that ISN'T or WASN'T a need. You had two very strong lines going with Crosby and Malkin, and the top power play in the league at the time, so the reason for this trade was what exactly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Rutherford
Look at his nickname....

How can a team have to many good players? A good coach can find a roll for everybody. Look at Babcock and team Canada vs Disco and team USA. Maybe team USA wasn't as good on paper but they should have at least got a medal.....
- willi

its about collecting the right players and getting the right coach. For many years Canada failed at getting the Gold medal, but yet, had the vast majority of the good players in the field. Why was that?