the rebuild gets described as so easy by some..im planning on 5-7 years. hoping for less with our disaster (lack of prospects, undesireable vets to deal) is banking on more dissapointment.
- clark_griswold

It has been 48, what is another 5-7. Feel like I am in jail.

Who cares about the quality of what is coming back? Take picks. Lots of them. More picks/prospects we have the better chances of drafting a few guys to make the team and do well.

I'm tired of people (not necessarily you) talking about needing a top pick and how it essentially be a guarantee he's forever an elite player. Daigle says hello to those guys while he pumps the gas for Datsyuk.
- Aaron_85

im with you...i was saying trade everyone to ppl who say 'keep him. keep him too because they are good'. we are crap LOL. everyone must go that can fetch any return not named Morgan

So JVR-Kadri-Clarkson is your first line next year?
- BINGO!

BAN HIS ASS LOU !

the rebuild gets described as so easy by some..im planning on 5-7 years. hoping for less with our disaster (lack of prospects, undesireable vets to deal) is banking on more dissapointment.
- clark_griswold

I am with you on the kadri thing. I see nothing special or spectacular with him to label him an untouchable. I believe Holland could take his spot and do just as well for much cheaper

I'm more concerned with a winning culture that starts at the developmental level, so guys drafted later can become something...
- aminnes

Good idea. Start that with the Marlies so as they come through the ranks they are used to working hard and winning. You can't just change the mindset once they get to the NHL.

I know I'm late to the party (busy workday so far), but I just read 'the article' and it's the greatest thing I've read IN A LONG (frank)ING TIME!

im with you...i was saying trade everyone to ppl who say 'keep him. keep him too because they are good'. we are crap LOL. everyone must go that can fetch any return not named Morgan
- clark_griswold

Fairchild, ya, that's the ticket.

It has been 48, what is another 5-7. Feel like I am in jail.
- bixll

i can handle another 5-7 no problem for it done RIGHT. it's been wrong my whole life even in the sundin years

the rebuild gets described as so easy by some..im planning on 5-7 years. hoping for less with our disaster (lack of prospects, undesireable vets to deal) is banking on more dissapointment.
- clark_griswold

I expect 5. Leafs have good scouts, just haven't had the picks to work with, or the patience to develop guys. Now they've got guys with insight to the CHL... That implies they'll be drafting a lot more local guys, too.

A full rebuild means not committing long term to core, or as I like to say, the METROS, Berny stays if he likes getting qualified for 1 year, otherwise trade em...
- aminnes

pretty sure he'd love that cause he's UFA after next season...

would be horrible move by Leafs

BAN HIS ASS LOU !


- .HOHO.

First line should be:

Orr, Biggs, MacLaren

Good idea. Start that with the Marlies so as they come through the ranks they are used to working hard and winning. You can't just change the mindset once they get to the NHL.
- Aaron_85

But that comes from icing your own guys, always bringing in outsiders means they might have warts that came from another org.... Great teams ice a heavy amount of drafted players that grew up in their system playing their way, the Leafs need this mentality...

I know I'm late to the party (busy workday so far), but I just read 'the article' and it's the greatest thing I've read IN A LONG (frank)ING TIME!


- 1979AD

Did you read the article where Rogers and Bell will have new CEO's that will demand a win now attitude?

Short lived Euphoria.

im with you...i was saying trade everyone to ppl who say 'keep him. keep him too because they are good'. we are crap LOL. everyone must go that can fetch any return not named Morgan
- clark_griswold

Thats dangerous. You guys have enough supporting pieces worth keeping to support Nylander, Rielly, your 2015 and 2016 first round prospects, and the prospects you get for Kessel and Phaneuf.

Identify the problems and eliminate them....but it cant be all 23 of them.

pretty sure he'd love that cause he's UFA after next season...

would be horrible move by Leafs
- Badge

Why, they suck anyway and are rebuilding, or do you just want to wave the Bernier flag while the team sucks?...

Who cares about the quality of what is coming back? Take picks. Lots of them. More picks/prospects we have the better chances of drafting a few guys to make the team and do well.

I'm tired of people (not necessarily you) talking about needing a top pick and how it essentially be a guarantee he's forever an elite player. Daigle says hello to those guys while he pumps the gas for Datsyuk.
- Aaron_85

That was over 20 years ago. How many busts have we had since then? Just from a quick look: Patrik Stefan, Rick DiPietro (injuries), Erik Johnson (not really a bust), Nail Yakupov (still way too early). Overwhelming evidence shows that picking first overall gets you an star player. The Daigle example is almost irrelevant after this long.

im with you...i was saying trade everyone to ppl who say 'keep him. keep him too because they are good'. we are crap LOL. everyone must go that can fetch any return not named Morgan
- clark_griswold

Exactly. Winnik and Santorelli aren't going to be here and be good enough when the team competes. Who cares about signing them? Go find some more guys in the bargain bin next summer. We'll find guys who will play hard (Raymond) so they can get a good contract the following season.

Kadri and JVR I'm on the fence. I think it's fine to keep them now so we don't expose really young guys to failure and not developing them. Move them though for more pieces.

JVR at a deadline would an amazing haul for this team! Would be Rick Nash-esque.

Did you read the article where Rogers and Bell will have new CEO's that will demand a win now attitude?

Short lived Euphoria.
- LeafMan

Did that one come out today too? Where can I find it?

I expect 5. Leafs have good scouts, just haven't had the picks to work with, or the patience to develop guys. Now they've got guys with insight to the CHL... That implies they'll be drafting a lot more local guys, too.
- Feeling Glucky?

Teams rebuilding also need a bit of luck to be honest.

Would Patrice Bergeron still be available in the 2nd round if you redo that draft? Would PK Subban still be available in the second round if you redo his draft year?

Did that one come out today too? Where can I find it?
- 1979AD

It's not true, hehehehe

That was over 20 years ago. How many busts have we had since then? Just from a quick look: Patrik Stefan, Rick DiPietro (injuries), Erik Johnson (not really a bust), Nail Yakupov (still way too early). Overwhelming evidence shows that picking first overall gets you an star player. The Daigle example is almost irrelevant after this long.
- Jeffmt

Not just the first overall. I'm talking top 3.

Where's Cam Barker?

Thats dangerous. You guys have enough supporting pieces worth keeping to support Nylander, Rielly, your 2015 and 2016 first round prospects, and the prospects you get for Kessel and Phaneuf.

Identify the problems and eliminate them....but it cant be all 23 of them.
- Jeropotato

Actually its 25, there are 2 that sit out on a regular basis.

Teams rebuilding also need a bit of luck to be honest.

Would Patrice Bergeron still be available in the 2nd round if you redo that draft? Would PK Subban still be available in the second round if you redo his draft year?
- Pecafan Fan

That's were stockpiling picks, and having a bit more inside knowledge comes into play.

I may be wrong but from the outside looking in: you have to trade Kessel here. He's the only one of the "bad" contracts that's actually worth close to it. Keeping Phanuef and Clarkson is almost a no choice because you need to hit the cap floor AND .... I don't see the work ethic / attitude / off ice discussions being an issue at all. In fact, keeping those players makes sense (atleast for a 2 years) while the team goes through a rebuild. Kessel could get the team wins while those players.....well, exactly.

I think if Phanuef can be moved then do it otherwise do the rebuild and keep the contracts there. Otherwise you can retain salary (even $1M of Phanuef's makes him much more tradeable. But I don't think you do more than that to keep that against the cap for that term)

That's were stockpiling picks, and having a bit more inside knowledge comes into play.
- Feeling Glucky?

Or listen more to Thommie and give him some early picks to play with.

Him and Hunter with all the picks.