thats fine, the leaf would.
Leafs would be getting good value if he took that.
- senstroll

It's like playing the market. Kadri is probably worth 4ish in each of the next two RFA years but two years from now he'll be a UFA. He might be an 8 million dollar guy or 4 million dollar guy.

I like his chances of being a consistent top 6 centre. If I'm the guy weighing the risk/reward I'm buying 2 or 3 of his UFA years at today's dollars. 5 x 5 is fair, IMO.

Just got sat down with my 2 superiors, and got litt up, CEO askes me to stay behind after meeting and I quote "don't worry about that (frank) that guy good job" lol

Guess I stepped on some toes.

What a great day, we get our leaf nuke and ceo praise.

steen didn't have a great season until he was 30. and he's playing on a stacked team. say the rebuild takes 5 years...is a 29/30 year old kadri, a 2nd line centre at best, a hugely valuable piece? or can he be moved now for futures?

sorry but kadri has shown nothing that justifies that. sure the market dictates that, but we are blowing it up and rebooting...we aren't in the typical market
- clark_griswold

Means we're going to have a lot of cap space, and will need a vet on the team when the young guys we'll draft are getting ready to compete.

Because we're doing a rebuild, we can be patient with Kadri

Awww... good call. that would really make Kessel cry and waive his NTC
- PatC80

This "sign a friend campaign" by the club has to stop, I have a bad feeling thats why they gave it up to Gards....

You keep Holland and Kadri, then promote from within if you want to stay the course moving forward. A couple of young 24 year old centres that can still be useful moving forward. Can't get rid of everyone, keep the ones that can bridge the gap.
- LeafMan

I concur. I see guys like Leivo (made the team this year), Carrick (bottom 6 guy), Maybe even Brown being able to make the team out of camp next year.

On the back end, I think Percy and Granberg would make it as well, with Loov being a dark horse.

Just some of the guys I could see making the jump. Hell, I think Leivo should be here now, and Smith sent down to be the (frank)ing captain already.

I concur. I see guys like Leivo (made the team this year), Carrick (bottom 6 guy), Maybe even Brown being able to make the team out of camp next year.

On the back end, I think Percy and Granberg would make it as well, with Loov being a dark horse.

Just some of the guys I could see making the jump. Hell, I think Leivo should be here now, and Smith sent down to be the (frank)ing captain already.
- TheThrill

As long as we don't "ruin" them with a losing atmosphere, like Edmonton. If they're ready fine.

give him his 5 year deal

if he does break out 5 will be a steal

JVR isnt a huge producer but everyone considers his deal awesome
- Dozzer

JVR is a big winger who has certain tools kadri doesnt. His deal is $4 mil. I'd move him in a heart beat though.

i get the desire to make kadri important because we drafted him, home grown etc...but folks that's going forward. Kadri is a 2nd liner at BEST. sorry but not vital. If you think he's a 1st liner EVER, that's your opinion but then we should stop discussing because i'll never buy that.

He doesn't even need to leave for 6 months! Like 3 if he goes at the deadline.
- Aaron_85

Thats the same situation we had with Sundin. He wouldn't accept a trade to try and win a cup somewhere else deciding to stay here and set us back a few years with the return we would have received.

Give him two years and tell him to show he deserves a big time deal
- Canada Cup

there is enough Data to see the value in going 5 years.
the leafs have the people in place who can now see this stuff. No longer going off Nonis and his fired assistants.

JVR is a big winger who has certain tools kadri doesnt. His deal is $4 mil. I'd move him in a heart beat though.

i get the desire to make kadri important because we drafted him, home grown etc...but folks that's going forward. Kadri is a 2nd liner at BEST. sorry but not vital. If you think he's a 1st liner EVER, that's your opinion but then we should stop discussing because i'll never buy that.
- clark_griswold

i'd like to see him paired with a couple top line wingers who work hard.. opening up the ice for flashy kadri

i'm a londoner however.. i might be biased a wee bit

give him his 5 year deal

if he does break out 5 will be a steal

JVR isnt a huge producer but everyone considers his deal awesome
- Dozzer

Agreed 100% on this.

If were going full rebuild, I'd keep JVR, Kadri, Holland, and Komarov out of the forwards, and Rielly, Gardiner(unless there's a good deal) and Polak on the back end.

Oh, and Bernier.

Everyone else can go. I think those guys except for maybe Gardiner would be a good support structure to keep the media attention away from the young guys, and keep the team from going full Edmonton.

alright i'll stop discussing kadri because obviously im in the minority. that's fine i will never maintain he's vital. we'll see what happens with him.

I hope he proves me wrong but man, is now not the perfect time for him to step up and seperate himself from the pack and actually EARN a contract? let's see what happens

Agreed 100% on this.

If were going full rebuild, I'd keep JVR, Kadri, Holland, and Komarov out of the forwards, and Rielly, Gardiner(unless there's a good deal) and Polak on the back end.

Oh, and Bernier.

Everyone else can go. I think those guys except for maybe Gardiner would be a good support structure to keep the media attention away from the young guys, and keep the team from going full Edmonton.
- Feeling Glucky?

if you keep everyone you mention, all you do is prolong the rebuild. you get valuable pieces for the guys you mentioned IMO. But we'll see. the point of a FULL rebuild, is to you know, tear down and build up. you can't do that with what you said

It's like playing the market. Kadri is probably worth 4ish in each of the next two RFA years but two years from now he'll be a UFA. He might be an 8 million dollar guy or 4 million dollar guy.

I like his chances of being a consistent top 6 centre. If I'm the guy weighing the risk/reward I'm buying 2 or 3 of his UFA years at today's dollars. 5 x 5 is fair, IMO.
- The Law

i like the way MLB contracts are analyzed based on stats and if they are worth it.
Only way you can build a team now is taking advantage of things like that.

Those were the 4 I suspected. Possibly Bozak instead of Lupul
- TheThrill

If that happens Bozak could retire. If you live downtown you know how valuable that living arrangement is.

Means we're going to have a lot of cap space, and will need a vet on the team when the young guys we'll draft are getting ready to compete.

Because we're doing a rebuild, we can be patient with Kadri
- Feeling Glucky?

Clarkson will be one of our vets for a long time.

there is enough Data to see the value in going 5 years.
the leafs have the people in place who can now see this stuff. No longer going off Nonis and his fired assistants.
- senstroll

Even if a 5 year deal doesn't work out, by the time the team is comPetitive his contract will be expiring, and could be traded away.

Hell, even Clarkson's nightmare contract isn't an issue, it'll just keep attention away from the developing guys.

if you keep everyone you mention, all you do is prolong the rebuild. you get valuable pieces for the guys you mentioned IMO. But we'll see. the point of a FULL rebuild, is to you know, tear down and build up. you can't do that with what you said
- clark_griswold

Keeping 7 or 8 guys in needed, there is a cap floor. You can't replace everyone with an ELC player.

alright i'll stop discussing kadri because obviously im in the minority. that's fine i will never maintain he's vital. we'll see what happens with him.

I hope he proves me wrong but man, is now not the perfect time for him to step up and seperate himself from the pack and actually EARN a contract? let's see what happens
- clark_griswold

Even when rebuilding, you have to look at what your development plan is for prospects.
Look at the errors that Edmonton made. They took underdeveloped teenagers (Nugent-hopkins) and tried playing them on the top line against big NHL D. results, Nuge tore his shoulder and still hasn't lived up to his draft hype. Yes, we want to draft Centres to make us better, but you need NHL centres playing 1st and 2nd line, and allow your younger guys to start on the 3rd line, and move up. That allows you to shelter their size, limit their ice, and develop into a better overall player.

if you keep everyone you mention, all you do is prolong the rebuild. you get valuable pieces for the guys you mentioned IMO. But we'll see. the point of a FULL rebuild, is to you know, tear down and build up. you can't do that with what you said
- clark_griswold

Only listed 8 players out of 22 on the roster. That's as close to a complete tear down as possible.. Although, with that said.. I'd only keep Rielly, Gardiner, Holland, Nylander, Bernier and Polak.

i'd like to see him paired with a couple top line wingers who work hard.. opening up the ice for flashy kadri

i'm a londoner however.. i might be biased a wee bit
- Dozzer

I agree.

I'd 100% move JVR he'll get a sexy return.

Remember fellas the we're nuclear storming this roster.

Agreed 100% on this.

If were going full rebuild, I'd keep JVR, Kadri, Holland, and Komarov out of the forwards, and Rielly, Gardiner(unless there's a good deal) and Polak on the back end.

Oh, and Bernier.

Everyone else can go. I think those guys except for maybe Gardiner would be a good support structure to keep the media attention away from the young guys, and keep the team from going full Edmonton.
- Feeling Glucky?

yeah agreed 100%.. and keep marlies like percy, nylander, and brown

if you keep everyone you mention, all you do is prolong the rebuild. you get valuable pieces for the guys you mentioned IMO. But we'll see. the point of a FULL rebuild, is to you know, tear down and build up. you can't do that with what you said
- clark_griswold

Kessel, Phaneuf, Bozak, Lupul, Franson, Winnik, Santorelli, Reimer all gone for picks and prospects. If the team is bottom-10 consistently with those guys, then moving them and replacing them with bit parts will guarantee us at least one bottom 3 finish.

And most of these full tear down rebuilds fail because the young guys get ruined early by playing on a bag team with nobody to guide them.

Keeping 7 or 8 guys in needed, there is a cap floor. You can't replace everyone with an ELC player.
- LeafMan

You can always Florida it up with large stupid short term deals.

yeah agreed 100%.. and keep marlies like percy, nylander, and brown
- Dozzer

Yup. And sign more bargain bin guys you can deal at the deadline.