If you worked at a Target store in Canada right now, would you be working your ass off
- Atomic Wedgie

I just saw a guy outside waving a Target "30% off" sign. Have you been outside today?

If they fail to move Dion prior to next season nothing matters IMO...
- aminnes

yes and no. Nothing saying they can't move him the year after. If they do trade them both, this is more than 1 summer rebuild.

I'd be extremely happy if the Leafs traded Lupul, Franson, Winnik and Santorelli at the deadline for draft picks.
- PatC80

Those were the 4 I suspected. Possibly Bozak instead of Lupul

DEFINITION OF NON CORE GUY

lol

if he had someone to make him look better he would look better


- Dozzer

absolutely true, but $5 mil on the back end is what you pay for a PP specialist with his kind of point production.
Once again, I want to see him traded, and rebuild properly.

If they fail to move Dion prior to next season nothing matters IMO...
- aminnes

i know people

kadri is worth that.

this is steen all over again.. think about it
- Dozzer

fully agree on that account.

when's he UFA? 2 years? hmmm... needs to be at least a 4 year deal then. Doubt he signs for less than $5M for that term.

could do 1 year at $4M as his prove it year.

Those were the 4 I suspected. Possibly Bozak instead of Lupul
- TheThrill

Be hard to trade Lupul now, gone down again for the 3rd or 4th time this year.

no chance i sign kadri to that.
- clark_griswold

thats fine, the leaf would.
Leafs would be getting good value if he took that.

kadri is worth that.

this is steen all over again.. think about it
- Dozzer

steen didn't have a great season until he was 30. and he's playing on a stacked team. say the rebuild takes 5 years...is a 29/30 year old kadri, a 2nd line centre at best, a hugely valuable piece? or can he be moved now for futures?

sorry but kadri has shown nothing that justifies that. sure the market dictates that, but we are blowing it up and rebooting...we aren't in the typical market

yes and no. Nothing saying they can't move him the year after. If they do trade them both, this is more than 1 summer rebuild.
- Badge

The article said clearly that it would be minimum 3 and likely 5. Wouldn't surprise me if it gets into the 6-7 range

thats fine, the leaf would.
Leafs would be getting good value if he took that.
- senstroll

not for a rebuild..see my last post.

I like this underlying stats, yes. If they sucked I would say so
but they dont, and are getting better.
- senstroll

look at all the underlying stats you want. unless they combine with actual results (AND vice versa) it's just coincidence

Those were the 4 I suspected. Possibly Bozak instead of Lupul
- TheThrill

Awww... good call. that would really make Kessel cry and waive his NTC

not for a rebuild..see my last post.
- clark_griswold

You have to hang on to some guys that can still play. May as well be a 24 year old center with skill.

I see no issue with keeping Kadri if you are moving out the money contracts. Not like his 5x5 will completely crush our cap

absolutely true, but $5 mil on the back end is what you pay for a PP specialist with his kind of point production.
Once again, I want to see him traded, and rebuild properly.
- ILoveLamp

oh i didnt say keep him

I think he will get something like 5x5
- senstroll

Give him two years and tell him to show he deserves a big time deal

DEFINITION OF NON CORE GUY

lol

if he had someone to make him look better he would look better


- Dozzer

Exactly, Franny is a nice complementary guy, maybe a 3 even if he keeps getting better, but on a cup team he's a 4 PP guy, value, but not core IMO...

oh i didnt say keep him


- Dozzer

I remember last year, you saying he "skated like a hippo"



We wanted him gone for a bag of pucks. Now, nothing short of a 1st and prospect will do lol

The article said clearly that it would be minimum 3 and likely 5. Wouldn't surprise me if it gets into the 6-7 range
- TheThrill

depends how much they blow it up, and how many good picks they get next 2 years... and how good Nylander really is.

in 3 years Rielly and Kadri should be in their prime, Nylander rising. If a couple other "in the systems" or prospect acquisitions work out well also, then 3 years they'll be on the upswing.

but a lot needs to go right for that to happen.

Give him two years and tell him to show he deserves a big time deal
- Canada Cup

pretty sure he'd be UFA after 2 years. That would be a bad move.

1 yr or 4+ years kinda what they have to do

You have to hang on to some guys that can still play. May as well be a 24 year old center with skill.

I see no issue with keeping Kadri if you are moving out the money contracts. Not like his 5x5 will completely crush our cap
- TheThrill

he could garner a good return / decent anyways. But up to you guys...i've had it with him and his 'development'. Call me impatient all you want...i have more patience for other players who have actually shown development / flashes of brilliance.

Again, i'm starting from scratch as a gm....i look for pillars of a franchise. Top centre, top 2 D. The extras (wingers, 2nd/3rd liners) can come after. Hence, kadri will never be a 1st liner and he'll be 30 or close when we are relevant again. Don't see the point. Also, if you are bottoming out, why do you NEED to keep guys? bring up marlies, sign UFAs. If kadri couldn't garner a return like say a clarkson, sure keep him. But he can and we should use that.

pretty sure he'd be UFA after 2 years. That would be a bad move.

1 yr or 4+ years kinda what they have to do
- Badge

Ok - 1 year

You have to hang on to some guys that can still play. May as well be a 24 year old center with skill.

I see no issue with keeping Kadri if you are moving out the money contracts. Not like his 5x5 will completely crush our cap
- TheThrill

You keep Holland and Kadri, then promote from within if you want to stay the course moving forward. A couple of young 24 year old centres that can still be useful moving forward. Can't get rid of everyone, keep the ones that can bridge the gap.

yes and no. Nothing saying they can't move him the year after. If they do trade them both, this is more than 1 summer rebuild.
- Badge

If he isn't gone the culture remains, and any young guys they bring in are under him, that goes for all the METROS, gotta get em outta there if any change is to be made where it matters most, Dion and his captaincy the most important IMO...

fully agree on that account.

when's he UFA? 2 years? hmmm... needs to be at least a 4 year deal then. Doubt he signs for less than $5M for that term.

could do 1 year at $4M as his prove it year.
- Badge

give him his 5 year deal

if he does break out 5 will be a steal

JVR isnt a huge producer but everyone considers his deal awesome