so if Nonis isn't in long term plans and I cant see an scenario he is..Why is he allowed to have any say right now? The rest of the crew can make the decisisons as a group right now
- Popcorn Kid

That article is pretty interesting in that it suggests that Nonis and Shanny were both of the opinion that the team couldn't sustain wins playing the way it did (and presumably with the current core).

One year too late DAVE!!!
#clarkson

then why even keep him around? and more importantly, what's shanahan's track record as far as rebuilding a team from the ground up?!?
- dt99999

Between firing Carlyle and the circus that's covering them,I believe shanny is keeping things quiet for now..No-nuts won't be here next year and he knows it..it makes no sense letting a guy who has no future here make life defining changes (in leaf land) when he had no invested interest ,,shanny has a lot of connections and help around him to make these big decisions on players

I think shanny is making the decisions (quietly) and Nonis is just a face now,nothing more
- Daddichronic

in terms of player personnel? i highly doubt that. he is in no way qualified to have any say in that. personnel should be left up to Nonis, Dubas and Hunter. that's the management team. the president's job is to put together a management team, not micromanage player personnel.

there's all this talk about Babcock but IMO the best thing for the Leafs would be for them to remove Nonis, install a GM with full autonomy and have the assistants report directly to him. you need one person with the responsibility of putting the hockey club together. committees are trouble.

That article is pretty interesting in that it suggests that Nonis and Shanny were both of the opinion that the team couldn't sustain wins playing the way it did (and presumably with the current core).

One year too late DAVE!!!
#clarkson
- The Law

oh ya im sure that was a long conversation.

Shanahan: Dave i don't think this is sustainable. What's your take?
Nonis: I agree with everything you ever say.
Shanahan: Good. Good.

Kelly is well connected with the Board so this is good news.
- The Law

Didn't know that. Might explain the air of authority in that article. So used to non-commital passive tone of guys like Dreger and Fat Head: "it is a possibility..." "some would argue" and "it is believed to be" in everything they write.

Toffoli is a younger, better and infinitely more durable forward than Lupul so that's a no and I don't see any team doling out a 1st for Phaneuf.
- dt99999

You shut your pretty mouth.

You shut your pretty mouth.
- Aetherial

my lips are so moist right now.

Toffoli is a younger, better and infinitely more durable forward than Lupul so that's a no and I don't see any team doling out a 1st for Phaneuf.
- dt99999

It's not a Toffoli vs Lupul situation... and no Toffoli at this point is not better than Lupul, that's idiotic but yes he's far more durable.

The trade is about LA getting a top 4 D they need badly and a vet forward for the playoffs.

thats it, il contact Grabo's agent and hes going to send over a Belarussian witch doctor to curse the Flames!
- Lucas Neilson

in terms of player personnel? i highly doubt that. he is in no way qualified to have any say in that. personnel should be left up to Nonis, Dubas and Hunter. that's the management team. the president's job is to put together a management team, not micromanage player personnel.

there's all this talk about Babcock but IMO the best thing for the Leafs would be for them to remove Nonis, install a GM with full autonomy and have the assistants report directly to him. you need one person with the responsibility of putting the hockey club together. committees are trouble.
- DoubleDown

Being a former player, with no high-level strategic experience, my gut is he's very much a hands-on kind of a guy and he probably can't help himself. Either that or he's completely hands-off and more of a figure head.

Bottom line is, I'm not 100% sold on this front office until Nonis is gone.

my lips are so moist right now.
- dt99999

Ok I actually LOL'd at work ... which sucks in our new "open concept" seating.

"moist" ROFL!

so if Nonis isn't in long term plans and I cant see an scenario he is..Why is he allowed to have any say right now? The rest of the crew can make the decisisons as a group right now
- Popcorn Kid

1. I'm not sure Shanahan has made the decision to move him. There is nobody with NHL GM experience on staff (except Cliff when he's awake) and Shanahan may want to see how things work with the new management team in place.

2. Why not wait till others become available or when there is time to work a new guy in.

It's not a Toffoli vs Lupul situation... and no Toffoli at this point is not better than Lupul, that's idiotic but yes he's far more durable.

The trade is about LA getting a top 4 D they need badly and a vet forward for the playoffs.
- Mr_Smokey

Toffoli is better, younger, cheaper and more durable.

The trade would look more like Toffoli + Richards for Phaneuf + Lupul and even then, the cap doesn't work.

oh ya im sure that was a long conversation.

Shanahan: Dave i don't think this is sustainable. What's your take?
Nonis: I agree with everything you ever say.
Shanahan: Good. Good.
- DoubleDown

Either way. It confirms he's now on board with doing things the Shanny-way or he gets canned. They've re-distributed the scouting duties. They've presumably removed the "need" to sign high profile UFA's. They've given the mandate to sell the old core for young assets/picks. I could care less if Nonis is still an employee going forward. It's the change in philosophy that was critical for this team.

yeah was a good game to watch!

they are struggling a bit it seems
- Lucas Neilson

Of course, I loaded up on them this week

It's not a Toffoli vs Lupul situation... and no Toffoli at this point is not better than Lupul, that's idiotic but yes he's far more durable.

The trade is about LA getting a top 4 D they need badly and a vet forward for the playoffs.
- Mr_Smokey

Lupul is injured and has only 7 more playoff games under his belt that Toffoli

Ok I actually LOL'd at work ... which sucks in our new "open concept" seating.

"moist" ROFL!
- Aetherial

Toffoli is better, younger, cheaper and more durable.

The trade would look more like Toffoli + Richards for Phaneuf + Lupul and even then, the cap doesn't work.
- Aetherial

sounds idiotic bro...

Lupul is injured and has only 7 more playoff games under his belt that Toffoli
- dt99999

It's not a Toffoli vs Lupul situation... and no Toffoli at this point is not better than Lupul, that's idiotic but yes he's far more durable.

The trade is about LA getting a top 4 D they need badly and a vet forward for the playoffs.
- Mr_Smokey

LA is cap strapped ....the trade would have to be a wash $$$.

Being a former player, with no high-level strategic experience, my gut is he's very much a hands-on kind of a guy and he probably can't help himself. Either that or he's completely hands-off and more of a figure head.

Bottom line is, I'm not 100% sold on this front office until Nonis is gone.
- gravyface

I think he's doing the right things - putting a strong team in place. I'm not sure he would bother if he was going to micro-manage the whole thing

Lupul is injured and has only 7 more playoff games under his belt that Toffoli
- dt99999

Lupul always injured.

Lupul always injured.
- bixll

mos def

Whats the current bet on the date&time for first Leafs trade? Anyone have tomorrow at 1:15?
- Colin Dambrauskas

It was like a week ago

mos def
- dt99999

He is just helping the team tank by pretending to be injured because they know he is TOO good.