Nylander's ceiling and raw skill are much higher IMO. He's expected to be at worse a 2nd line winger, at best a 1st line C.

Brown's stock has certainly improved since he was drafted, but he isn't an elite prospect right now. Again, doesn't mean he won't make it. Just he doesn't have the same expectations (from Leafs brass) as Nylander. Brown making it is a bonus. Nylander not making it is a huge let down.
- Badge

Draft position means nothing once they are in your system and you simply need to preform on the ice and from that point of view he is not far behind nylander.

Why not Leivo?

Brown is putting up very impressive numbers for an AHL rookie.
- Feeling Glucky?

still see Leivo as a 3rd liner... in a top 9 bottom 3 scenario.

I like his game, thought he should have made the team out of camp... in fact he did but was injured. Thought he should have been up all year once healthy.

Again, initial convo was about top strong 6 potential for Leafs currently on Marlies.

Nylander's ceiling and raw skill are much higher IMO. He's expected to be at worse a 2nd line winger, at best a 1st line C.

Brown's stock has certainly improved since he was drafted, but he isn't an elite prospect right now. Again, doesn't mean he won't make it. Just he doesn't have the same expectations (from Leafs brass) as Nylander. Brown making it is a bonus. Nylander not making it is a huge let down.
- Badge

This is true, but remember what Leafs management said when Nylander came over? That under no circumstances will Nylander or Brown be called up this season.

It's interesting that they lumped them together.

Again leading the marlies in points in very impressive in a rookie year. And he is a very hard working in the off season and practice he has a drive to get better and win. I see him as a nyquist type.
- jake24242

i think the issue is that if he can't score at a top 6 pace, he won't be in the NHL. that's why he's a long shot. he's not a guy like Brendan Gallagher who can be effective as a 30-40 point player. and scoring at a top 6 pace for any prospect is a huge ask, especially one with limited ability.

Nylander's ceiling and raw skill are much higher IMO. He's expected to be at worse a 2nd line winger, at best a 1st line C.

Brown's stock has certainly improved since he was drafted, but he isn't an elite prospect right now. Again, doesn't mean he won't make it. Just he doesn't have the same expectations (from Leafs brass) as Nylander. Brown making it is a bonus. Nylander not making it is a huge let down.
- Badge

Nylander will be another Steen, under achieve in Toronto, get traded and than play awesome hockey

But, you rid yourself of Phaneuf's contract?...
- Colin_Dambrauskas

There are other ways to do that and get younger players for a rebuild that is better route.

Nylander will be another Steen, under achieve in Toronto, get traded and than play awesome hockey
- dom13

Nope.

Draft position means nothing once they are in your system and you simply need to preform on the ice and from that point of view he is not far behind nylander.
- jake24242

Hes 3 years older too....

Nothings guaranteed but IMO nylander leads a very weak prospect pool we have by a mile.

still see Leivo as a 3rd liner... in a top 9 bottom 3 scenario.

I like his game, thought he should have made the team out of camp... in fact he did but was injured. Thought he should have been up all year once healthy.

Again, initial convo was about top strong 6 potential for Leafs currently on Marlies.
- Badge

And I think that in addition to Nylander both Leivo and Brown fall into that category.

i think the issue is that if he can't score at a top 6 pace, he won't be in the NHL. that's why he's a long shot. he's not a guy like Brendan Gallagher who can be effective as a 30-40 point player. and scoring at a top 6 pace for any prospect is a huge ask, especially one with limited ability.
- DoubleDown

100% correct.

i think the issue is that if he can't score at a top 6 pace, he won't be in the NHL. that's why he's a long shot. he's not a guy like Brendan Gallagher who can be effective as a 30-40 point player. and scoring at a top 6 pace for any prospect is a huge ask, especially one with limited ability.
- DoubleDown

He is scoring at a top 6 pace hes a rookie. If he doesn't improve in the next to years in the ahl then ya I would agree.

i think the issue is that if he can't score at a top 6 pace, he won't be in the NHL. that's why he's a long shot. he's not a guy like Brendan Gallagher who can be effective as a 30-40 point player. and scoring at a top 6 pace for any prospect is a huge ask, especially one with limited ability.
- DoubleDown

what makes you think he has limited ability?

And I think that in addition to Nylander both Leivo and Brown fall into that category.
- Feeling Glucky?

Hey we can all hope. Just like we hoped for mckegg, and biggs, and ross, granberg etc.

My point is how are our prospects so poope when we've finished so low for years?

This is true, but remember what Leafs management said when Nylander came over? That under no circumstances will Nylander or Brown be called up this season.

It's interesting that they lumped them together.
- Feeling Glucky?

If I'm not mistaken Gudas was asked a direct question about both of them...

Hes 3 years older too....

Nothings guaranteed but IMO nylander leads a very weak prospect pool we have by a mile.
- clark_griswold

Only time will tell and tbh i excited for the future if we legit start a true rebuild. This years first round pick will be very interesting.

Horribly bad.

Hey we can all hope. Just like we hoped for mckegg, and biggs, and ross, granberg etc.

My point is how are our prospects so poope when we've finished so low for years?
- clark_griswold

We traded the picks, the picks we kept have been ok minis the few you mentioned. Kadri rielly, The goat. Good picks.

what makes you think he has limited ability?
- Feeling Glucky?

How many players have put up awesome numbers in the AHL, get a 5 game tryout or never get called up, end up playing in Europe...there is Brown for you, playing in the Spengler Cup tourney...

i think the issue is that if he can't score at a top 6 pace, he won't be in the NHL. that's why he's a long shot. he's not a guy like Brendan Gallagher who can be effective as a 30-40 point player. and scoring at a top 6 pace for any prospect is a huge ask, especially one with limited ability.
- DoubleDown

Debating the value of Leafs prospects using Habs as reference points.... FINALLY! Please post some more - we're lost without Hab comparables.

what makes you think he has limited ability?
- Feeling Glucky?

What makes you think he doesnt? Again ive watched him and skated with him...we'll never know whos right until he either makes it or not. But heres a list for you to look at and keep in mind he was a 20 year old in a junior league....

http://en.m.wikipedia.org...wiki/CHL_Top_Scorer_Award

How many players have put up awesome numbers in the AHL, get a 5 game tryout or never get called up, end up playing in Europe...there is Brown for you, playing in the Spengler Cup tourney...
- dom13

And how do you know this? So any player that is good in the AHL means they cant be a NHLer your not making sense. Look at Nyquist and his rookie year in the AHL.

what makes you think he has limited ability?
- Feeling Glucky?

the only reason i say that is because he was a 6th round pick. never seen the guy play in my life. generally speaking, the guys drafted in rounds 5-6-7 are limited skill wise, particularly in terms of quickness (foot speed, shot release, reaction time)

Hey we can all hope. Just like we hoped for mckegg, and biggs, and ross, granberg etc.

My point is how are our prospects so poope when we've finished so low for years?
- clark_griswold

Who had hope for Biggs?


And why give up on McKegg?
Guy's 22, and wasn't ever expected to be more than a 2nd liner.


The majority of prospects become busts. But the Leafs have a lot of good prospects on the blue-line, a very good goalie prospect in Bibeau, and some high-end skill up front in guys like Nylander, Brown, and Johnsson.

What makes you think he doesnt? Again ive watched him and skated with him...we'll never know whos right until he either makes it or not. But heres a list for you to look at and keep in mind he was a 20 year old in a junior league....

http://en.m.wikipedia.org...wiki/CHL_Top_Scorer_Award
- clark_griswold

Hmmm, I wonder how many points Connor McDavid helped him out with.

Who had hope for Biggs?


And why give up on McKegg?
Guy's 22, and wasn't ever expected to be more than a 2nd liner.


The majority of prospects become busts. But the Leafs have a lot of good prospects on the blue-line, a very good goalie prospect in Bibeau, and some high-end skill up front in guys like Nylander, Brown, and Johnsson.
- Feeling Glucky?

PinkSock still does - so there's that.