Could the Flyers have offered a better deal?
- 3flyerkids

Maybe, but I'm glad they didn't.

Could the Flyers have offered a better deal?
- 3flyerkids

Probably not. They don't have the firsts to give like Buffalo did, they don't have a defenseman as good as Myers, and they don't have a forward prospect (aside from Laughton) as good as Lemieux.

Best the Flyer could have offered in comparison would be something like:
Laughton
Coburn
2016 1st
NAK
Hagg

Again. THIS IS WHERE WE DIFFER

I think the Flyers will beat good teams and lose to bad teams. That stuff happens every year, regardless of the makeup of a team.

You stating that the Flyers underachieved is where we differ in opinion, and is what I have been trying to explain.

I think the Flyers are doing exactly what they were predicted to do. It is exactly what I said I thought they were going to do in the pre-season. They are a playoff bubble team. I said in September I thought they were be closer to a top 10 pick than to a playoff spot.

YOU think they are underachieving. Simple as that. I just dont understand that sentiment. Im sorry...

EDIT: What did you expect from them, so as to label them underachieving?
- jak521

They currently aren't a playoff bubble team. They are pretty much out of the playoffs, and aren't likely going to make the playoffs unless they make a huge run, and a bunch of other teams falter. I think they should be a playoff bubble team and competing for a playoff spot. You just contradicted your own opinion with this post.

Just me, but Myers > Kane.
- jmatchett383

i think its easier to compare bogo to myers.
then the other pieces to kane. Stafford, the prospects, and the first.

i dont know.

like a few of you just said, i really can see it from both sides. if i was forced to decide which side id rather take, i do think i would go with the Sabres haul.

unless youre telling me that myers was going to get some great haul from detroit or something, which i think they have tried and failed for already.

Could the Flyers have offered a better deal?
- 3flyerkids

No, because whatever anyone thinks of Myers, he is no worse than third-best on the Flyers, and Armia and the pick are differentiators, plus they threw in another prospect

Buffalo gave up a lot

In the few times I have seen Bogosian, i didn't see the hockey sense, but I defer to those who have

I like Myers more than most -- he was not very good most of last year, but I think he turned it around late and has been good this year

He has physical gifts like few others
- AllInForFlyers

To me, Myers is like Andrew MacDonald after eating one of these:

If Bogo can stay healthy, he's a better player than Coburn.

To me, Myers is like Andrew MacDonald after eating one of these:

If Bogo can stay healthy, he's a better player than Coburn.
- Tomahawk

Ha! That is old-school!

To me, Myers is like Andrew MacDonald after eating one of these:

If Bogo can stay healthy, he's a better player than Coburn.
- Tomahawk

But we all know Coburn sucks, so there's that...

And I know Bogosian will be labled as this injury prone player but don't you think people can start saying that about Mason. I mean I worry a little now because it has been 3 seperate occasions he has been hurt now. Yes everything could be fineor maybe this is the start of something.
- J35Bacher

Two of those separate occasions were due to the same injury. Both times he went out with the knee injury were the same thing-they tried a non surgical fix and it didn't work

Could the Flyers have offered a better deal?
- 3flyerkids

Not without including Giroux, Voracek or Mason

Ha! That is old-school!

- AllInForFlyers

Such a nutty trade... like one of those hfboards proposals that people laugh off. I could really see the trade backfiring for either of these teams, and a GM (or two) fired over this one down the road.

No, because whatever anyone thinks of Myers, he is no worse than third-best on the Flyers, and Armia and the pick are differentiators, plus they threw in another prospect

Buffalo gave up a lot
- AllInForFlyers

they did, but overall, i like it from their point of view.

you and i are somewhat similar when thinking about prospects. at some point, you need to inject NHL ready talent. And while i dont think kane is gretzky, i do think that if he gets his head on right, he will be a physical 30 goal winger. Bogo coming back absorbs sending Myers out.

To me, Myers is like Andrew MacDonald after eating one of these:

If Bogo can stay healthy, he's a better player than Coburn.
- Tomahawk

Would you have done the Schenn's ( for Kane)..... Coburn And Read for Bogosian
B Schenn could have been straight up for Kane IMO.

I think Kane can be a " finisher".... Just have not seen that from B Schenn yet. He has missed numerous chance on the PP... Hartnell was good in the high slot taking feeds from G. Schenn... Not so good

Not without including Giroux, Voracek or Mason
- Jsaquella

lies

Such a nutty trade... like one of those hfboards proposals that people laugh off. I could really see the trade backfiring for either of these teams, and a GM (or two) fired over this one down the road.
- Tomahawk

The only problem I have with it is the 1st rounder from Buffalo. That's where this went from a fairly well-balanced trade to a win for WPG.

I wonder who the next trade chip will be. I saw Columbus is making Atkinson available.

Would you have done the Schenn's ( for Kane)..... Coburn And Read for Bogosian
B Schenn could have been straight up for Kane IMO.
- 3flyerkids

Draft, develop, manage the cap better -- I think E Kane and Bogo, as talented as they are, would be at most a very small (expensive) step forward. Probably more of a lateral move.

Not without including Giroux, Voracek or Mason
- Jsaquella

I would think a healthy B Schenn vs an injured E Kane would be good enough for that piece of the deal. Hell... Throw in both Schenn's

The only problem I have with it is the 1st rounder from Buffalo. That's where this went from a fairly well-balanced trade to a win for WPG.
- wolfhounds

Agreed, but it's probably a 20-26 pick. Still nice, but not a lottery pick.

Such a nutty trade... like one of those hfboards proposals that people laugh off. I could really see the trade backfiring for either of these teams, and a GM (or two) fired over this one down the road.
- Tomahawk

If I'm Buffalo, i don't drop in that first -- that won't be the killer, but I wouldn't have done it

I don't think this is a deal that gets you fired, though, because Buffalo is simply brutal, no matter what. But they are getting a top five pick, and Bogo and Kane are NHL players. Stafford was soft and done there

The Jets should have solidified a playoff spot, Myers is signed, and they got prospects and the pick. If one of those other three assets pans out, Cheveldayoff is gold

Agreed, but it's probably a 20-26 pick. Still nice, but not a lottery pick.
- jmatchett383

Yup, have to see who they end up getting with that pick. It just seemed to be too much considering the whole Kane drama in WPG.

Yes, but cap hit aside, I'd trade Mason straight-up for any of them.
- jmatchett383

Same

Draft, develop, manage the cap better -- I think E Kane and Bogo, as talented as they are, would be at most a very small (expensive) step forward. Probably more of a lateral move.
- Tomahawk

You are right about the $$$$$ . They are both expensive. But that's where the GM could try to move others. I have mentioned Streit before ( great player) but he could fetch a first from a contending team.
if Coburn,Striet, and Either Schenn or Grossman are moved that would be 13M in cap. I am sure they could get two half decent UFA's plus quality picks for initial trades

thank you is hexstall doesn't get his ass in gear i think he should be fired he's no better than the other guy if he doesn't start acquiring assets
- 2Real

I don't know what you do for a living but if your title isn't "NHL GM" your talents are being wasted.

Yup, have to see who they end up getting with that pick. It just seemed to be too much considering the whole Kane drama in WPG.
- wolfhounds

They have that extra first now so they could package to move up or even maybe get another asset for the playoffs.